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Breaking: Obama to make a statement at 5:45 PM EST following fiscal cliff meeting-Live Thread[12-28]
nbcnews.com ^ | December 28, 2012 | NBC News and wire services

Posted on 12/28/2012 2:45:39 PM PST by John W

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To: i_robot73

“Why again should anyone fight to re-establish the GOP name?? Maybe they should start backing gay ‘marriage’, or illegals...Yeah, that’ll bring everyone back to the fold...”

Why ? Because a third party will take decades to build, and the Republic has but a few years until absolute disaster strikes.

How do we do it ?

In my humble opinion, we do it by electing ACTUAL Republicans. No more Ron Paul types who talk and talk. We do it by not running twerps like John McLame and Mitt Trotsky as presidential candidates. We need people who bring a hatchet to the bloated federal bureaucracy, not a spork. In other words, we need Michele Bachmann as Speaker and Rand Paul or Ted Cruz as the Minority Leader.

Yes, I’m a dreamer, but it would instantly solve a lot of problems.


151 posted on 12/29/2012 4:56:28 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: tsowellfan

Reality checks. While Boehner has no personality and terrible pr skills, he didn’t agree to anything acceptable to Obama.

And, is there, was there ever really any Obama statement planned today? I see no reference.


152 posted on 12/29/2012 4:57:30 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba
While Boehner has no personality and terrible pr skills, he didn’t agree to anything acceptable to Obama.

without PR skills it really does not matter what he did ot did not agree to with Obama now does it. The PR skills of the opposition and the MSM (and they have them) will pin everything from Hurricane Sandy to the school mass murders and the economy to the REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED CONGRESS and yes I know they do not control the Senate but because of the lack of PR skills of Mr. Speaker the American people have been convinced that the republicans do control everything except the White House and poor President Obama just cannot get any of his plans that will rescue America from the evil republicasns passed because the democrats just cannot do anything with the republicans stopping everything with their majority so until the democrats control the House, nothing in this country will get better.

That's what poor PR skills get you and there's no room for poor PR skills in the office of the Speaker of the House.

Sorry, all you John Boehner apologists, John Boehner needed to go long ago. There's a stack on his desk of illegal actions that pResident Obama has taken from by-passing Congress to bypassing the US Constitution and NOTHING, not a peep from John Boehner or his House.

How's that for a REALITY CHECK?

153 posted on 12/29/2012 5:09:44 PM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Sounds like a nice dream. Unfort. even those on the GOP ticket don’t talk the talk, so why start there?

Right off the bat, I can think the Constitution Party and Libertarian party could easily combine to give a great 3rd party start. Why man the bilge pumps on the Titanic??

I voted for the GOP in the past, but I’m done taking their lip service. At least I’ll vote for those whose espouse those ideals I myself hold; no more holding my nose when I know, even if they win, I lose.


154 posted on 12/29/2012 7:11:13 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: rollo tomasi
"Now I understand everyone's sh*t's emotional right now. But I've got a 3 point plan that's going to fix EVERYTHING."
"Break it down, Camacho!"
"Number 1: We've got this guy, Not Sure. Number 2: He's got a higher IQ than ANY MAN ALIVE. and Number 3: He's going to fix EVERYTHING."

Mike Judge is brilliant mainly for pointing out in 2006 the exact logic that would elect O TWICE!
155 posted on 12/29/2012 8:21:06 PM PST by 100%FEDUP (I'm seeing RED!)
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To: sergeantdave
"Are you light-headed yet? :-)"

I've been drunk every other day since this POS was re-elected. Either drink and be high or sink into depression. My vote is drink so I can deal with my Republic going down. But hey, I may get a free liver transplant under Obamacare - as if.

156 posted on 12/30/2012 1:18:38 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: tsowellfan

No need to be so hostile. I said he has no pr skills, which is a disaster. Also, he did not cut any deal with Obama.


157 posted on 12/30/2012 1:45:50 AM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Toespi; Neil E. Wright; Jim Robinson; Travis McGee; Taxman
"The republicans are a hell of a lot more conservative than the liberals that are running this country. You want another party? Well I wouldn’t mind it either but it will take decades before a viable, credible conservative party could win, it will be an uphill battle into the wind. We will be fighting media, new immigrants, the takers, and social issues. There isn’t any time left so we better get behind what we have."

You're kidding, right? The Republican elite are now way left of center. There is nothing left to get behind; they have gone to far. Mitt and and the GOPe wasted a perfect storm this election regarding Obambi's terrible economic policies. You actually think there is something left of the GOP that could turn us back to Constitutional principles?

IF you are conservative, you should be wondering why Boehner and Co. aren't articulating the need for fiscal conservatism. They whine and cry about it, but never make the point - never! There should be NO negotiation...we're long past that point to maintain America's fiscal strength.

Sheesh, my own grandson could tell the Fedgov why he won't spend more than he has in his checking account nor borrow more from family than he can pay back. The last Republican I ever heard that could articulate such a simple concept was Ronald Reagan.

Let me say that again: My Grandson knows better than to write checks he can't cover. He knows better than to borrow money he can't pay back!

The GOP has turned into liberalism lite (remember JFK democrats who would be now right of GOP?), and they're willing to deal with the Democrats just to stay in power. Personally, I couldn't care less if every Republican lost their office if attempting to restore conservative principles. At least I would know that they tried and we could get on with the fall. But no, so few even attempt.

Sorry to blast you, but I'm done with the Republican party. I'm re-registering as an Independent. I'm done with GOP elites: they left me, I didn't leave them.

158 posted on 12/30/2012 2:18:49 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
"The solution is simple: How about we take back OUR party ? We the Conservatives outnumber the RINO quislings by a healthy margin."

Really? Then you haven't been following Boehner and McConnell and their intolerance of the TEA Party. Cry-baby Boehner fired some from committees because they wouldn't go along to get along. He is as DC elite as can be and pretty much controls the GOP. There is no taming the "quislings". They exist only to politically exist.

After some 60 years on this rock, I've come to realize that it takes a special kind of over-sized ego to want to be a politician. That includes the lowliest city council member to the White House. These people are no longer about serving, they are about control for the betterment of our society as they see it.

They actually believe they have the answers for the failings of human characteristics. They believe they can change human behavior and are the saviors of mankind. They truly are about control. Think about your own education board or city council member, and ask yourself why do they want that political position?

Civil servants are no longer servants. They are about control; they are The Matrix!

159 posted on 12/30/2012 2:57:35 AM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever.)
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To: Andrei Bulba
No need to be so hostile.

Stating the fact that John Boehner is useless and should have stepped down from that position is not being hostile

160 posted on 12/30/2012 4:35:50 AM PST by tsowellfan
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To: Toespi
Now just what kind of impact do you think this lie will have on the republicans? They don’t have a snowballs chance in hell of getting anything out of this mess.

If Republicans do nothing at all, they are guaranteed $1.1 trillion in spending cuts for the current fiscal year. Unfortunately, Republicans are not conservatives. So I fully expect our Republican leadership to fold and give Obama another $2.5 trillion in freshly-printed slush fund money which he will use to buy the 2014 Congressional election just as he did in 2012. Face it. Republicans are spineless idiots.

161 posted on 12/30/2012 7:36:48 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: tsowellfan
The GOP has failed America as much as the democrats have destroyed it.

Even more so. Unlike Democrats, Republicans knew that printing up new money to fund government was wrong, yet they did it any way.

162 posted on 12/30/2012 8:00:35 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: A Navy Vet

You may be right on some points. But I can honestly say, I don’t know one house republican that I consider a Marxist or a communist sympathizer, or has an agenda to destroy our constitution. That said, give me an immediate alternative and plan to save this country NOW, we are out of time.


163 posted on 12/30/2012 8:07:29 AM PST by Toespi
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To: A Navy Vet

I can’t fault your logic. I really can’t. You’re 1000% right.

What I suggest may very well be a fool’s errand.

HOWEVER—

I don’t think it would hurt anything to try. Who knows ? Perhaps we’ll succeed.


164 posted on 12/30/2012 1:54:10 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: i_robot73

Yes, but keep in mind that the Constitution Party and the Liberaltrarian Parties have many leftist impulses. The Constitution Party is filled with Paleocons who have more in common with Code Pinko than they do with Conservatives like us. The Liberaltarian Party is filled with cultural Marxists who have no problem with crap like homosexual “marriage” and political correctness.


165 posted on 12/30/2012 1:59:48 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I’d argue there’s more to their ‘core-beliefs’ (smaller govt, anti-worldpolice, etc.) that are more inline w/ the Conservatives than the current GOP camp (since they can’t even seem to follow their own platform).

I’ve debated that these fundamental policies should be the base of a united NEW party that could bring all like-minded people together to restore our Rights and Freedom; there’s no need to reinvent the Constitution when it is what we should be be getting back to....THEN take on one difference at a time to work out (IE: gay marriage, not in gov’t purview, leave it to the religious institutions, but nothing wrong w/ civil unions [say, outside of adoption]).

Here we are battling over billions of $$ per year, when the real argument should be what right does gov’t have to do ABC (9th & 10th), en-debt every Citizen for $XYZ (13th), etc. I believe breaking it down to the fundamentals will energize and bring all the camps together to fight the 2 party cartel.


166 posted on 12/30/2012 6:26:06 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: i_robot73

I think you’re on the right track. One thing that should unite Conservatives, Paleocons, and Liberaltarians would be the defeat of the Marxist Left by a healthy margin. If there’s one thing we can all agree on is they must be defeated, assuming it isn’t too late, that is.

Hey, but in the meanwhile....

Happy New Year, FRiend!


167 posted on 12/31/2012 6:08:32 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Appreciate the salutations, and Happy New Year to you and yours.

Unfortunately, nobody in their right mind would want to be the brunt of the D.C. shit-storm by running as true Constitutionalist. Hell, the GOP itself would sent out the drones. Our own guys can’t get om the horn and tell it like it is w/out utilizing the Left’s language, I have little hope of anyone else saving what’s left of the Republic.

At least with the capitulation of the ‘leadership’ over the holiday, there’s few here anymore that still carry the GOP pom-poms (if only for a bit)....some small favor, I guess.

But I still believe if one were to make a strong, CONCISE, case without all the flowerly bullshit, they’re rocket to the top of 3rd party choices.

Take taxes. almost 100 yrs of social engineering, gov’t fingers and eyes on everything you do, but any mention of the a national sales tax only and our own sides starts off “but it doesn’t raise enough $$” vs ‘gov’t spends too much already’ or just about anything else instead of seeing the TOMES that law has become or the Freedom lost.

I’d think making a 20-plank platform and putting short 5-min videos on the ‘net to break-down those to the basics would get the ball started. Setup forums to discuss and debate and use the fine-tuned from the forums to hammer the piss out of the GOP and DEM alike to get the People behind and the same passed.

FOCUS on the BASICS, the LAW, and show how it applies to ALL or NONE, no favors, no special carve-outs and easily read/understood by everyone. Simply refuse to use emotion and take the fight using logic and Truth.


168 posted on 01/01/2013 9:02:02 PM PST by i_robot73
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