Posted on 12/28/2012 1:26:26 PM PST by House Atreides
SCREW THESE ASSHOLES!!
IT’S WAY PAST TIME FOR A TAX REVOLT!!
CAPS LOCK ON PURPOSE!!
I agree! Me too!
I agree! Me too!
Oh, it is only $11b over 10 years. Don’t worry about it.
Worth repeating once more. lol
And they will continue to behave this way no matter what. I am beginning to believe they are all Democrats anyway. "What's his name" was not ideal, but it's all we had. Then of course Mr. & Mrs. FRAUD came out to play as well. I'm sure they are all happy their GUY won.
From my view of the “over $100,000” incomes from Bh0 are due to the “czars” and other political appointees he has made. Most of the government employees are well below that level, especially outside of DC, NYC, Cal: The following pay bands have not increased in the last 2-3 years:
GS-5 — 27431 to 35657; GS-6 — 30577 to 39748; GS-7 — 33979 to 44176; GS-8 — 37631 to 48917; GS-9 — 41563 to 54028; GS-10 — 45771 to 59505; GS-11 — 50287 to 65371; GS-12 — 60274 to 78355; GS-13 — 71674 to 93175; GS-14 — 84697 to 110104; GS-15 — 99628 to 129517
We could fire half the fed gov and would not even notice.
Lighten up Francis. It is a one half of one percent raise. This coming on the heels of a three year pay freeze. Given inflation, Federal employees actually make about six or seven percent less (in real dollars) then they did when Obama took office. Plus with the tax increases from Obama care and the increase in payroll taxes, the take home will again for the fourth year in a row go down. I know you think the whole Federal Government should shut down (like air traffic controllers, air marshals, NTSB, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.) but lets not get too bent out of shape over a one half of one percent “raise”:
http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-inflation-rates/
This is why Oboma is known as "The Welfare King". It's all he's ever known.
The sequence of these EOs on federal pay goes back aways.. Here they are in sequence starting with Obama’s today EO and through the Bush years..
Todays EO
http://www.opm.gov/oca/compmemo/2012/2013PAY_Attach.pdf
Executive Order 13594 of December 19, 2011, ..
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13594
Executive Order 13561 of December 22, 2010 ..
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13561
Executive Order 13525 of December 23, 2009 ..
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13525
Executive Order 13483 of December 18, 2008 ..
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13483
Executive Order 13454 of January 4, 2008,
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13454
Executive Order 13420 of December 21, 2006,
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13420
Executive Order 13393 of December 22, 2005
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13393
Executive Order 13368 of December 30, 2004
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13368
Executive Order 13322 of December 30, 2003
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13332
Executive Order 13282 of December 31, 2002, as amended by Executive Order 13291 of March 21, 2003,
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13322
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13291
Executive Order 13182 of December 23, 2000
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13182
Executive Order 13144 of December 21, 1999
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13144
I WISH we had a pay freeze! My husband had his pay CUT by 20% four years ago and we have had to adjust to that since then. We have never seen any of that come back and don’t expect to anytime soon.
However, regardless of my earlier post. I do NOT see how Bh0’s EO raising pay of Federal employees can be LEGAL & CONSTITUTIONAL.
Having just left federal service after more than 8 years, I can speak to the fact that the government is hemorrhaging their best employees left and right because of the pay freeze.
It isn’t the bad employees who leave. The best employees go. While I’m still working in a similar industry, most aren’t - and believe me, it significantly weakens national defense. Nobody cares if they think that some IRS stooge isn’t getting a pay raise. I think they might sit up and take notice if they realized trained engineers are leaving once-prominent federal research and defense agencies because of a perpetual pay freeze.
You know what...
It is time, way past time, but now is as good as time as any....
I say we shove them over the fiscal cliff and shut the suckers down!!!
He’s not up to being a dictator, just a dick.
I had to suffer with a 1/3 pay CUT under his reign of error. NO RAISES for federal employees. WE CANNOT AFFORD IT.
Does this mean that Joe Biden is no longer in the middle class as he repeatedly told voters at rallies in 2012?
It's not real money anymore anyway.
Given that there's no inflation, what is the rationale for a federal worker pay increase? Sure as sh*t the seniors aren't going to see any COLA.
He may not...but he can, as there is no controlling legal authority
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Oh I am sure the Republican led House will draft a letter to strongly object, mention it on the floor, Pelosi or another D leader will object and it will get tabled until???????
The other 20thousand drafts are cleared up.
Buy your ice skates now as we will be skating in Hell when this happens.
Buckwheat has no idea of the precarious situation that he’s in. His mercenary Secret Service traitors are more interested in chasing hookers than protecting him.
This ain’t your daddy’s Secret Service, Buckwheat.
The sequence of these EOs on federal pay goes back aways.. Here they are in sequence starting with Obama’s today EO and through the Bush years..
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Yes, but those executive orders followed Congressional action authorizing a certain level of pay raise. Once that happened then the President decided how much of the authorized/specified raise would be allocated to “locality pay”.
I may have missed it, but I do not recall Congressional action passing this pay raise. Perhaps it was done recently and buried in some of the limited legislation that got through the Senate’s inaction.
Over 150,000 search and rescues have been conducted in the National Parks since 1872.
233 National Park Employees have died while on duty:
http://www.nps.gov/jotr/parknews/ohlfs.htm And this is not just law enforcement; for the most part these folks are regular people.
Most of the people conducting these rescues are frontline NPS employees, making gs-9 to gs-11 pay: 50k to 60k per year, which considering the high cost of living in and around the major national parks is a pretty good bargain. (Try to purchase groceries or go to the nearest Walmart when you work at the Grand Canyon and you will see how quickly the cost of living can eat up a budget.)
From 1992 to 2007 there were 78,488 individuals involved in 65,439 search and rescue incidents. These incidents ended with 2659 fatalities, 24,288 ill or injured individuals, and 13,212 saves. On average there were 11.2 search and rescue incidents each day.
Without the presence of NPS personnel responding to search and rescue incidents, 1 in 5 (20%) of those requesting search and rescue assistance would be a fatality.
Search and Rescue Reports for just one park:
http://www.nps.gov/mora/planyourvisit/search-and-rescue-reports.htm
Park Ranger falls 3,700 feet during rescue:
National Park Ranger Deaths:
Park Ranger Margaret Anderson
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Sunday, January 1, 2012
Cause: Gunfire
Park Ranger Julie Ann Weir
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Thursday, February 24, 2011
Cause: Automobile accident
Park Ranger Christopher Nickel
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Saturday, January 29, 2011
Cause: Duty related illness
Special Agent Daniel Paul Madrid
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service - Office of Investigations
EOW: Saturday, September 24, 2005
Cause: Heart attack
Seasonal Park Ranger Jeffrey A. Christensen
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Friday, July 29, 2005
Cause: Fall
Park Ranger Suzanne E. “Suzi” Roberts
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Tuesday, September 14, 2004
Cause: Weather/Natural disaster
Park Ranger Thomas Patrick O’Hara
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Thursday, December 19, 2002
Cause: Aircraft accident
Park Ranger Kristopher William Eggle
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Friday, August 9, 2002
Cause: Gunfire
Park Ranger Steve Renard Makuakane-Jarrell
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Sunday, December 12, 1999
Cause: Gunfire
Park Ranger Joseph David Kolodski
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Sunday, June 21, 1998
Cause: Gunfire
Seasonal Park Ranger Michael A. Beaulieu
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Monday, August 26, 1996
Cause: Automobile accident
Park Ranger James Randall “Randy” Morgenson
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Tuesday, July 23, 1996
Cause: Drowned
Park Ranger Ryan Francis Weltman
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Sunday, July 3, 1994
Cause: Drowned
Park Ranger Robert E. Mahn, Jr.
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Monday, January 17, 1994
Cause: Automobile accident
Park Ranger Robert Lewis McGhee, Jr.
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Saturday, May 26, 1990
Cause: Gunfire
Park Ranger Duane P. McClure
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Thursday, May 22, 1980
Cause: Drowned
Park Ranger Ward W. Hall
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Monday, July 16, 1979
Cause: Automobile accident
Park Ranger Gregory Scott Burdine
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Saturday, November 26, 1977
Cause: Vehicle pursuit
Park Ranger James P. Fleetwood
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Tuesday, July 5, 1977
Cause: Automobile accident
Park Ranger Thomas Kenneth “T.K.” Brown
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Friday, August 31, 1973
Cause: Heart attack
Park Ranger Kenneth Carmel Patrick
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Sunday, August 5, 1973
Cause: Gunfire
Park Ranger John C. Fonda
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Wednesday, March 9, 1960
Cause: Drowned
District Ranger Gale H. Wilcox
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Wednesday, March 9, 1960
Cause: Exposure
Assistant Chief Ranger Charles R. Scarborough
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Monday, June 21, 1954
Cause: Weather/Natural disaster
Park Ranger Karl A. Jacobson
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Friday, November 11, 1938
Cause: Gunfire
Park Ranger Fred Johnson
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Wednesday, February 20, 1929
Cause: Drowned
Park Ranger Glen Sturdevant
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Wednesday, February 20, 1929
Cause: Drowned
Park Ranger James Alexander Cary
United States Department of the Interior - National Park Service
EOW: Saturday, March 12, 1927
Cause: Gunfire
Then you should know that the raises were halted by executive order, therefore he has the authority to restore them by executive order. The real constitutional question is if someone has the authority to halt congressionally manadated raises by executive order.
Then you should know that the raises were halted by executive order, therefore he has the authority to restore them by executive order.
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Several years ago Obama wanted to beat Congress to the punch and PROPOSED a federal civilian employee pay freeze. Congress said sure, and didn’t propose a pay raise for the past three years.
There are no automatic annual federal employee pay raises so there are no automatic pay raises to “halt by executive order”. As part of the annual appropriations process, Congress will include a certain amount of money for federal pay raises (along with specifying how big [percentage increase] that pay increase should be) IF IT IS SO INCLINED. It HAS NOT been so inclined in recent years.
You very well may know more of the details of this process than I do, but please post a link to some documentation showing that this current Congress has passed a pay raise for 2013.
Millions of people are out of work. Obama gives federal employees a pay raise. If only we didn’t have a corrupt MSM to report the news.
Yup, it’s the Republican controlled House that’s the BIG elephant in the room. Shame on Boehner for all he has allowed this President to do since the GOP gained control in 2010. The truth is, the Republicans no longer deserve to keep the House. If I feel this way as much as I dislike Nancy Pelosi I know millions of other feel this way.
At this point I see a super majority happening in 2014.
I think this is exactly what Boehner wants. Less work for him if the GOP is the minority party.
We all know Obama HATES America and the Constitution. Knowing that, can you blame him for taking advantage of the do nothing Republicans?
Based on what the ‘leadership’ has done recently (folding like a lawn chair on every damn thing coming down the pipe), exactly how ‘banding together’ would have been any different??
The GOP would still not have the Senate and these ‘problems’ would still be on their plate. So nothing would still get ‘done’, the media would still be blaming the GOP and the GOP would still be bending over for their ankles ‘cuz they were called bad names. There’s no real fight to reduce ANY part of gov’t coming from the GOP; no real plan (oh, the 5/10yr. models...SURE).
I’ll even contend, w/ the CT shooting, Mitt would be on the forefront for new gun laws and possibly even another AWB bill. So, again, what difference would it have been??
Lighten up?! More executive fiat, blowing $$ we don’t have, on ‘employees’ that should be out a friggin’ JOB. Whole departments should be zero’d out and let loose, but not word one I’ve heard on that wish-list.
But, don’t worry that D.C. is the fastest growing employer, the largest $$ shift in the country, etc. It’s not like they can’t just PRINT more, eh?!
Next time, we might actually be talking about real $$$. Lighten up my hairy white ass!
What a perfect opportunity for every Republican in the House and the Senate to put their money where their mouths are!
Ahead of the "negotiations" which it is rumored is ongoing.
Refuse the pay raise to a man! C'mon guys!
Deficit spending? Federal debt? What stinkin' Federal Deficit and National debt?
Bingo. We have a lump that keeps getting transferred to different sections. They can’t fire her. She has worked three different sections since I’ve been here and can’t seem to “learn” anything.
Oh don’t bring reality into it. FREEPERS hate that....lol.
With baseline budgeting, they would be up 5 percent annaully.
Can Obama do this by Executive Order?
Yup. Congress doesn’t care.
Only my guess, but it seems to me that this is just a test to see how far he can go. Expect similar "Executive Orders" regarding guns, medical care, retirement accounts, etc. to follow rapidly in the next term. Issuance is probably going to accelerate so as accomplish the real goal of "fundamentally reshaping America." Just how fundamental most people have no clue.
If the House doesn't exercise their power, they'll lose it through precedent.
The Republicans could stop this very easily.
Do not vote to raise the debt limit. That would shut this crap down in a heartbeat. They hold the purse strings.
If Obama tries to go over them and go against the Constitution, they can impeach him. This insanity stops when the petty little dictator is stopped.
The reason Obama continues to pull this over and over is because he is being allowed to do so. The Republicans are to blame by continually funding the travesty.
Most of the worker bees make $35K - $75K. The $100K+ folks are the good commies that help create/enforce the unlawful laws/regulations/etc.
I can’t say that what you bring to the table is inaccurate. Mittens was a lib as well. However, I still believe even with the media in the tank we stood a better chance of folks like Rand Paul and Ted Cruz having a bigger voice because we(us) would have had a bigger voice, liberal media or not.
We would have been bolder and more outspoken if we were to win. The crybaby speaker of the house would have caught crap a bit louder everytime he screwed up. As it stands now, I am done with Parties. Best to stay “neutral” on paper.
But alas, not to be....can’t keep whining over “what could have beens” and best to work with the reality that we are in.
We can just send congress and the supreme court home. They are no longer needed. 0 has rolled their powers into one - his.
From the EO signed by Obama;
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hjres117
By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including section 114(b) of the Continuing Appropriations Resolution, 2013 (Public Law 112–175), which provides that any statutory adjustments to current levels in certain
pay schedules for civilian Federal employees may take effect on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning after the date specified in section 106(3) of Public Law 112–175, it is hereby ordered as follows:
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Continuing Appropriations Act Passed by Congress in 2012:
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hjres117
Sec. 114. (a) Section 147 of Public Law 111-242, as added by Public Law 111-322, shall be applied by substituting the date specified in section 106(3) of this joint resolution for ‘December 31, 2012’ each place it appears.
(b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, any statutory pay adjustment (as defined in section 147(b)(2) of the Continuing Appropriations Act, 2011 (Public Law 111-242)) otherwise scheduled to take effect during fiscal year 2013 but prior to the date specified in section 106(3) of this joint resolution may take effect on the first day of the first applicable pay period beginning after the date specified in section 106(3).
Introduced Sep 10, 2012
Passed House Sep 13, 2012
Passed Senate Sep 22, 2012
Signed by the President Sep 28, 2012
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Thanks for your response, Take care and have a great New Year.
There is a lump running my former project. I don’t believe he has ever had the skills to manage an engineering project, which explains why it’s six months and counting behind schedule. All he’s going to end up doing is further destroying the image of the research facility where I worked, turning it into a punchline. I know because he’s all that’s left after almost every competent engineer under the age of 40 left to go elsewhere.
The link to the EO cited above in post #90 should have the following link not the Legislation link I cited. Sorry for the screw up.
Obama Executive Order.
http://www.opm.gov/oca/compmemo/2012/2013PAY_Attach.pdf
This will please tens of millions of “American” citizens who never met a federal bureaucrat they didn’t like.
Somebody correct me if I’m wrong...based on 2012 tables...this is a .499% percent increase for GS employees right?
This will please tens of millions of “American” citizens who never met a federal bureaucrat they didn’t like.
With millions of Americans out of work and or who had their salaries and hours cut, who can feel sorry for those making over 100k a year not getting a raise?
“226 members of Mr Obama’s staff are apparently paid over $100,000 - and the President can increase their salaries at any time.
And even the Obamas’ dog Bo costs the taxpayer thousands of dollars - his handler is reportedly paid over $100,000 a year.
Moreover, much of the money spent on Mr Obama’s family goes to perks such as entertainment and household expenses.
For example, the White House contains a movie theatre which is manned by projectionists 24 hours a day in case one of the family feels like a trip to the cinema.”
Obama family ‘costs taxpayers $1.4BILLION per year’ (that’s 20 times more expensive than British Royal Family)
sickening
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2210323/Obama-family-costs-taxpayers-1-4BILLION-year.html#ixzz2GSTOQak8
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Got it — looks like Obama was acting within the law. This whole thing was kept very low-key and was executed very quietly. Thanks for the research.
Not really, they are quite blatant about their communism and in communism the rich are always the ones who work for the government. This is what the morons in this country wanted and this is what they got...and he’s just getting started. 1,430 more days to go.
That’s exactly why liberals and their “tax the rich” argument can go to hell. Tax the rich for what? So schmucks like this guy can blow through $1.4 billion instead of that money being used to invest in companies to create JOBS? Can you imagine how many jobs that money could create? What kind of company could be created with that kind of money invested?
I saw that movie Lincoln the other night with my Dad, very good movie if you haven’t seen it yet. What struck me about it was how Lincoln although he was President lived as just another ordinary citizen. He would hang out in the telegraph office like any other employee, or go for walks by himself or ride in a carriage with his wife and nobody else. None of this royalty BS. No closing down 300 city blocks with a 500 people entourage so he can party with Jay-Z, no mega-concerts celebrating how great he is. To me what seems to have happened is todays politicians have taken advantage of the threat of assassination, used it as an excuse to blow through wads of money and to me this Obama is the worst out of all of them.
Back in the day a politician did his term then went back to being an ordinary citizen. Now most are self serving.
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