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organist dies days after brutal attack as he walked to church to play at Christmas Eve Midnight Mass
Daily Mail ^ | 28 Dec 2012 | Steve Robson

Posted on 12/28/2012 6:49:05 AM PST by Cronos

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To: relictele

Nope. No Brit ever said it was or would. When you finished that strawman, perhaps you could use whats left and burn Edward Woodward.


21 posted on 12/28/2012 10:35:12 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: relictele

Nope. No Brit ever said it was or would. When you finished that strawman, perhaps you could use whats left and burn Edward Woodward.


22 posted on 12/28/2012 10:35:22 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman

I’m usually not this direct or crude but that is complete and utter horsesh*t.

Read ANY of the comment sections at the Telegraph, Daily Mail or anywhere else (the Guardian if you can stand it) and there are countless posts FROM BRITS about how wonderful the British Isles are without all those icky guns.

No need for strawmen when quoting directly from Britons.


23 posted on 12/28/2012 11:26:03 AM PST by relictele
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To: relictele

People may think its still a safe country, a country that is safer than the US, but they arent blind to its violence.

You are making the error of seeing them say its a safe country means they think its a violence free utopia. Believe me, everyone of all sides, everyone in the UK KNOWS its more violent than it was 20,30, 50 years ago.

Also a lot of the ‘pro-UK’ comments are usually made in regards to a US violence story, like the recent shootings. Brits on these pages tend to post how grateful they feel that as violent as the UK seems, it also seems much less violent when compared to the US. I read the Daily mail, Telegraph etcd online. I even post on the DM site.

I think its a great and overall a safe country to live in, but I know as well that there is violence and violent people and areas.


24 posted on 12/28/2012 12:17:26 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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People may think its still a safe country, a country that is safer than the US,

Yeah, well, they'd be wrong.

25 posted on 12/28/2012 12:28:08 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I have lived in both.
And I believe the UK to be safer.


26 posted on 12/28/2012 12:49:03 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
Violent crime worse in Britain than in US

I'm sure in England, just as in the US, it matters greatly where you are.

And the US is a very big place, with huge swaths of it that are as safe as any place on Earth.

27 posted on 12/28/2012 12:57:38 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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1—The reason for the UK’s high figure have been discussed here many times. Its the high number of violent offences on the statute books (28) that cause the figures to be so high. Many UK crimes of violence arent classed as such in other countries.

2—True, but then I am in Scotland. LOL.

3—Very true.


28 posted on 12/28/2012 2:30:24 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: the scotsman
Fair enough.

And while we're explaining things, a significant portion of the part of violent crime that is much higher in the US, criminal homicide, is attributable to the Mexican/S American drug trade, and where that hits the streets with inner-city drug gangs.

Much of that is confined to active participants in that industry, and is relatively invisible to law-abiding citizens.

29 posted on 12/28/2012 2:53:59 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (So?)
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To: Cronos

RIP.


30 posted on 12/28/2012 3:14:32 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: the scotsman
but then I am in Scotland.

I have a suggestion, sir: stay in Scotland. Live in your fantasy world and hope like hell that none of your UK "youts" don't beat the crap out of you. I'll live here in the dreaded USA and take a chance that I can use a firearm to stop any thugs that intend to do harm to me. Too bad about you.

31 posted on 12/28/2012 4:35:42 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: Cronos

UK is in dire need of the death penalty along with judges and juries who will apply it.


32 posted on 12/28/2012 4:54:33 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: OldPossum

I will.

And of the youts tried to beat me in 2008 and got the wrong end of the result. BTW, I will also use my legally owned rifle and shotgun to defend myself.


33 posted on 12/28/2012 6:49:29 PM PST by the scotsman (i)
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To: exit82

Why do Americans think every crime in the UK now is done by Muslims?.

If recent beatings of church people is anything to go by, it will be a white or black youth or a nutter with a grudge against the church.


34 posted on 12/29/2012 9:42:56 AM PST by the scotsman (i)
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