Illinois clergy endorse gay marriage bill

Chicago Tribune ^ | December 24, 2012 | Manya A. Brachear

[1010RD]

More than 250 Illinois clergy

[sr4402]

Scripture Says: "You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Levitcus 18:22

Also: "Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters , nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality" 1 Corinthians 6:9

[jsanders2001]

Nothing about Iillinois surprises me anymore. I have met many horrible and pathetic excuses for human beings from that state and this is not just a few here or there. Every last one of em I’ve met seems to be liberal and foul-mouthed with a nasty deposition. And just about every one of them were alcoholics and/or drug users. Need I say I don’t care fr that state or it’s people though there may be a few exceptions but I’m willing to bet they’re transplants.

[jsanders2001]

Nothing about Iillinois surprises me anymore. I have met many horrible and pathetic excuses for human beings from that state and this is not just a few here or there. Every last one of em I’ve met seems to be liberal and foul-mouthed with a nasty disposition. And just about every one of them were alcoholics and/or drug users. Need I say I don’t care fr that state or it’s people though there may be a few exceptions but I’m willing to bet they’re transplants.

[relictele]

"Fostering faith, justice and compassion is a key component of their jobs, they said."

Well, that and facilitating the insertion of certain body parts into body parts they weren't designed for.

[theBuckwheat]

“At the heart of this is the question - is homosexuality normal or abnormal?”

Not at all. The heart of this is the question: How does God define marriage, and thus who, exactly, can a person who represents Him perform a marriage ceremony for?

The easy answer was given by the Founder of the Christian Religion, none other than Jesus:

Matthew 19:4-6
(4) And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning “made them male and female”,
(5) and said, For this cause a man shall leave father and mother and shall cling to his wife, and the two of them shall be one flesh?
(6) Therefore they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.

Jesus also dictated the Book of Revelation to the Apostle John. At the very end, when Jesus states who will be granted eternal life, he excludes people who are sexually immoral. See Revelation chapter 22:15.

Homosexuality may be a normal human temptation but no more or less than the temptation to lie, steal or murder. Just because it is a feeling or desire does not make it moral. People who want homosexuality to be moral are just as confused as when they think that open marriage or taking a five finger discount at Walmart is moral.

And what they think is moral does not change what God tells us is moral in His sight, by which He will judge us, for every person will be judged according to their works.

Revelation 20:12-15

(12) And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
(13) And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works.
(14) And death and hell were cast into the Lake of Fire. This is the second death.
(15) And if anyone was not found having been written in the Book of Life, he was cast into the Lake of Fire.

People who hold themselves out as a representative the author of these words (that is Jesus Himself) are shown to be disqualified when they opposed their meaning so plainly and openly.

[CatherineofAragon]

"There is no homosexual gene, but epigenetic changes affecting hormones and a child's environment seem to be the cause of homosexuality"

Totally disagree.

I worked with a number of homosexual men, all of whom were free when it came to talking about their pasts and their sex lives. They all were victims of sexual abuse--by males-- in their childhood.

I had a hairstylist, a homosexual male, for years. He had been sexually abused by his stepbrother as a child, and he admitted it was probably the reason he was homosexual. Also, he had an absent, removed father, and an overbearing, over-protective mother.

There is nothing natural about homosexuality. It is a highly unnatural perversion, and those who give in to it are making a choice to do so.

[GWfan]

Here is a link with some info, not a complete list, however.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/24/us/260-in-illinois-clergy-call-for-legal-gay-marriage.html?_r=1&;

[presently no screen name]

Newt Gingrich suddenly endorsing queer marriage

He wasn't endorsing it. He was saying what may be inevitable and used who he knows who are queer. He spoke of the GOP.

Since we know the GOP supported a candidate, mitt, who personally married perverts and under his admin, his state was the first in the union to approve same sex marriage; IMO, he was giving a heads up of what to expect from the GOP. If you read it with some sort of animosity towards Newt, you will come away believing like you do.

[Gene Eric]

>> a declaration supporting equality for same-sex couples.

A declaration that forces homosexual behavior on those that want no part of it. RIH, “clergy”.

[GWfan]

Here is a gay friendly list but this list is linked to the gay marriage article.

http://www.gaychurch.org/Find_a_Church/united_states/us_illinois.htm

[longtermmemmory]

the headline decieves.

Fringe pro-homosexual “churches” endorse sexual recreation hedonism.

Why not have these same churches endorse recreational sex with farm animals...

[longtermmemmory]

so these must be back of rolling stone magazine get out of serving in military mail in degree clergy. (also for tax purposes)

[Burkean]

I agree. It’s like saying hormones cause sexual immorality. The occurence of a man and woman having sexual relations outside of marriage is a choice resulting of a weakened moral character, not simple hormonal urges. All those who are faithful and hold fast to their moral fiber will remain chaste no matter their hormone level.

[GWfan]

That should be NOT linked to the 250 clergy list.

[presently no screen name]

“This has nothing to do with doctrine,” Mr. Tindell said. “This has to do with how families live and how families exist and how families come together today. All are God’s children, and we are all worthy of the rights afforded in this country.”

WRONG. All are NOT God's children. His children hear and obey His Word.

The others are His creations. And he doesn't create in them what HE condemns, either. Tindell, you are, merely, a creation and you are not in His family. Your master is satan.

[longtermmemmory]

so these must be back of rolling stone magazine get out of serving in military mail in degree clergy. (also for tax purposes)

[USAF80]

Good post. I’ll use this argument. The homo crowd are quick to bring up the fact that the elderly get married and that they usually have no potential for offspring.

[bgill]

No surprise that hussein’s old Trinity church is on the gay church list.

[Salvation]

Thanks, I was trying to figure out how to fix the title. It’s not accurate at all.

[MinuteGal]

Thanks for the link to the list of gay-friendly churches in Illinois.

I was delighted (and not at all surprised) to note that there was NOT ONE Lutheran church, Missouri Synod (LCMS - my synod) included in the list of hereticals and apostates.

I'm still interested if anyone finds the list of those clergy who signed the endorsement with their approval of the gay marriage legislation.

Leni