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Armed teachers, guards bolster school security in Israel
Fox News.com ^ | December 27, 2012 | Gregg Tepper

Posted on 12/27/2012 4:29:22 PM PST by Kaslin

JERUSALEM – Americans intent on ensuring a school massacre like the one in Newtown, Conn., never happens again could learn a lot from Israel, where the long menu of precautions includes armed teachers.

The Jewish state, which has long faced threats of terrorist strikes in crowded locations including schools, takes an all-of-the-above approach to safety in the classroom. Fences, metal detectors and armed private guards are part of a strategy overseen by the country’s national police. And the idea of armed teachers in the classroom, which stirred much controversy in the wake of the U.S. attack, has long been in practice in Israel, though a minority of them carry weapons today.

Oren Shemtov, CEO of Israel’s Academy of Security and Investigation, noted that attacks typically happen in a matter of minutes, and said gun-toting teachers could, at the very least, buy time for kids to escape while police race to the scene.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; israel; israelschools; sandyhookgundefense; secondamendment

1 posted on 12/27/2012 4:29:25 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

They have to fend off terrorists daily. The occasional nut wouldn’t even get his foot in the door.


2 posted on 12/27/2012 4:30:34 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Kaslin
Was just listening to a talk radio program here in Yakima, WA. The host was asking the former superintendent of the Yakima Schools, who came from a large, inner-city system, why most of the shooting happened to be in gun-free schools or rural schools.

The superintendent's reply was that most of the inner-city schools have their own armed police force to protect the students and schools.

If that is so, then why is there so much opposition to arming teachers or patrols in the rural schools?

3 posted on 12/27/2012 4:33:40 PM PST by Parmy
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To: Kaslin

And they got airport security right, too.


4 posted on 12/27/2012 4:45:01 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Parmy

because no amount of their bullshiite is going to change reality so they resort to mocking the idea loudly and often in hopes of affecting perception and; thus, reality. It’s mind control.


5 posted on 12/27/2012 4:56:57 PM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: Kaslin

This is fine except that much of the owned USA media that has an affinity against the NRA, has said that Israel has shot down the NRA suggestion that Israel arms their schools. They have an ultimate agenda and it is to disarm America so that the few elites can control us.

How many links do you want?

The USA media is rigged and corrupt against the USA.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57560761/israel-rejects-nras-guns-in-schools-claim/


6 posted on 12/27/2012 5:00:05 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Kaslin
They have to fend off terrorists daily. The occasional nut wouldn’t even get his foot in the door.

Israel is a special case. The occasional nut is unlikely to have a firearm.

Unlike in the United States, where the right to bear arms is guaranteed in the Constitution’s Second Amendment, Israel’s department of public security considers gun ownership a privilege, not a right. Gun owners in Israel are limited to owning one pistol, and must undergo extensive mental and physical tests before they can receive a weapon, and gun owners are limited to 50 rounds of ammunition per year.

Not all Israelis, however, may own guns. In order to own a pistol, an Israeli must for two years have been either a captain in the army or a former lieutenant colonel. Israelis with an equivalent rank in other security organizations may also own a pistol.

In addition, residents of West Bank settlements, and those who work there, may own pistols for self-defense.

Other groups of Israelis, such as professional hunters and sharpshooters, or people transporting dangerous goods, may also own firearms. And Israelis may keep unloaded guns they inherited or received as a gift.

Lior Nedivi, a former police officer, said that despite Israel’s militarized society, neither soldiers nor veterans engage in extensive gun violence because 18-year-olds are tested for mental and physical fitness before being drafted.


The regulations for gun ownership became stricter following the assassination of Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995. Before that, there were virtually no restrictions on gun ownership.
7 posted on 12/27/2012 5:09:18 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

“Israel is a special case. The occasional nut is unlikely to have a firearm.”

Actually we shouldn’t care about Israel and their special case. Instead we need to only care about our American/USA rights to be armed and not ever have that right infringed upon by others. The discussion about Israel and their laws means absolutely nothing to me. The media is trying to deflect and conflate our USA rights with another country.


8 posted on 12/27/2012 5:29:23 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone
The discussion about Israel and their laws means absolutely nothing to me.

Thanks for that info!
9 posted on 12/27/2012 5:48:43 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Kaslin

Ok. The random nut in Israel is unlikely to be armed; however, the very common Islamic terrorist favors soft targets. So, the need for armed security in schools in both countries has some similarity.


10 posted on 12/27/2012 5:51:08 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Kaslin

Why is our media so quiet about this common occurance in Israel?


11 posted on 12/27/2012 5:54:29 PM PST by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Parmy; Kaslin
I happen to know the police officer who works in a local school in a fairly bad neighborhood. He is stationed there permanently, and wears a S&W 645 on his hip IN THE SCHOOL at all times. While I can't say I'm fond of his choice in weapons, it is on clear display at all times, in the school.

The question needs to be asked, not whether to guard the schools with armed guards, but WHY AREN'T THE UNGUARDED ONES GUARDED?

From that perspective, the politicians already KNOW that some schools need to be guarded. They've just failed to guard all of them, and are using their failure against us to take our guns.

12 posted on 12/27/2012 6:46:27 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: caveat emptor

Also, most Israelis have had served in the IDF as well.


13 posted on 12/28/2012 3:33:48 AM PST by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: caveat emptor

Since almost every Israeli citizen serves, as well as there being guns galore to steal, this is not much of a barrier.


14 posted on 12/28/2012 4:52:29 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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15 posted on 12/28/2012 5:42:49 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Since almost every Israeli citizen serves, as well as there being guns galore to steal

Bollocks. Cite some referenced statistics.
16 posted on 12/28/2012 1:47:56 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Biggirl
most Israelis have had served in the IDF as well

Most? Please quantify, or is that just how you feeel about the situation?
17 posted on 12/28/2012 1:53:31 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Kaslin

Their average citizens are also very well trained in responsible use of firearms. They don’t fear firearms like Americans. Their average civilians are well trained and equipped to handle dreaded terrorists. Americans only talk and debate endlessly but still have no clue on what to do when a single deranged idiot walks in with a gun and starts shooting.


18 posted on 12/28/2012 2:06:15 PM PST by ravager (I)
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To: caveat emptor
Here's yer referenced statistics.

But I doubt I will see an apology nonetheless.

19 posted on 12/28/2012 5:45:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"Yer" claim was "Since almost every Israeli citizen serves", about which there is no mention in the link cited. "Yer" too dumb to recognize a statistic if it bit you in the ass. Get back to me when you can come up with some reliable statistics on what percent of males and females actually serve, and not "some 80% of those who receive summons serve". The 80% figure does not include those who are exempted and do not receive a summons.

Apologize. Yeah. To myself for wasting my time on such a moron.

Oh, and what about all those "guns galore" sitting around just waiting to be stolen. Pfft.
20 posted on 12/28/2012 6:19:55 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

What does “universal draft” mean to you, bud?


21 posted on 12/28/2012 6:22:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: Parmy

Because they don’t like the messenger. Since the suggestion came from conservatives, the inclination is for the left leaning school bureaucracies to reject outright.

If the suggestion had come from Janet N.’s DHS, it would have been hailed as a stroke of received genius from on high.


22 posted on 12/29/2012 4:59:06 AM PST by RitchieAprile (the obstreperous gentleman..)
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To: caveat emptor

I remember Sharon in 2000 walking up some religous relics stairs and behind him were dozens of civies with Galils. I’ll take a Galil over a handgun. But congrats on Israel on being the first unarmed mid east country, what an accomplishment.


23 posted on 12/29/2012 11:09:40 AM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: junta

24 posted on 12/29/2012 11:23:32 AM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What does “universal draft” mean to you, bud?

Well, you got me there. So I'll just have to defer to your superior intelligence, perspicuity and memory.

From your comment #16 to me:

Since almost every Israeli citizen serves
25 posted on 12/29/2012 12:14:38 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

And that reply means what exactly?


26 posted on 12/29/2012 12:15:02 PM PST by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: caveat emptor

Who serves in the army?
Israel is unique in that military service is compulsory for both males and females. It is the only country in the world that maintains obligatory military service for women.


27 posted on 12/29/2012 12:24:25 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: ez
Who serves in the army?

Don't pretend to be an expert, and don't have a dog in that hunt - started doing some reading after a thread on Israel showed up after Newtown. "Who serves" seems confusing and controversial - Try here if you're interested.
28 posted on 12/29/2012 1:09:27 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum!)
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To: ez
Who serves in the army?

Don't pretend to be an expert, and don't have a dog in that hunt - started doing some reading after a thread on Israel showed up after Newtown. "Who serves" seems confusing and controversial - Try here if you're interested.
29 posted on 12/29/2012 1:10:30 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum!)
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To: ez
Who serves in the army?

Don't pretend to be an expert, and don't have a dog in that hunt - started doing some reading after a thread on Israel showed up after Newtown. "Who serves" seems confusing and controversial - Try here if you're interested.
30 posted on 12/29/2012 1:13:21 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum!)
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To: junta
And that reply means what exactly?
Huh?

Check "properties" and look it up.

But congrats on Israel on being the first unarmed mid east country, what an accomplishment.

And that remark means what exactly?
31 posted on 12/29/2012 1:52:41 PM PST by caveat emptor (Scripto ergo sum!)
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To: caveat emptor

80% of universal means 80% of 100%?

It seems you only want to argufy in the face of the obvious.


32 posted on 12/29/2012 10:34:22 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
It seems you only want to argufy in the face of the obvious.

Ha. Yer describing yerself.

Here's what you said in your first comment to me:
Since almost every Israeli citizen serves...

And here's some relevant information; linked in my last post, but you must have missed it.

Despite a general impression that the majority of Israeli citizens are conscripted, only about 50% of potential conscripts actually serve in the military. Others do not serve for a variety of reasons, including religious study, minority community exemptions, refusing to serve, "low motivation", and a criminal record.
33 posted on 12/30/2012 10:07:46 AM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

You might notice that “religious studies” is a biggie, and it amounts to a postponement not a waiver.

Sorry, you are still the irrelevant argufier. Once the religious studies postponement is factored out it becomes the 80% mentioned in my reference. So there.


34 posted on 12/31/2012 10:12:51 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
80%. You've said it three times, so it must be true.

Ha Ha Ha.
35 posted on 12/31/2012 12:07:27 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor
Oh, and what about all those "guns galore" sitting around just waiting to be stolen. Pfft.

Hardly. The reason you can find pictures of Israeli women in bikinis on the beach sporting M16s is because the laws for losing those weapons are so draconian.

They are hardly "sitting around just waiting to be stolen" when you go to prison for allowing them to be stolen.

36 posted on 12/31/2012 12:18:59 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger
You're commenting to the wrong freeper.

If you read my comment (#20) to which you are replying you'll see that I was quoting (not quite word-for-word) the guy who jumped in with the claim "Since almost every Israeli citizen serves, as well as there being guns galore to steal".

He's wrong on both counts, IMO, though I don't know exact figures. Only about 50% of Israeli citizens actually serve, according to wiki, and my impression is that for whatever reason they don't in general appear to be careless in using or protecting their weapons (you may be right about harsh penalties.)

If you read all of my remarks in that comment you'll also see that I was disagreeing with and dismissing him with "Pffft".
37 posted on 12/31/2012 1:36:31 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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To: caveat emptor

Beg pardon.

I stand corrected.


38 posted on 12/31/2012 2:56:32 PM PST by papertyger
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To: papertyger

Happy New Year, and happy and safe shooting (if you’re a gun owner).


39 posted on 12/31/2012 7:51:30 PM PST by caveat emptor (!)
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