Posted on 12/27/2012 3:28:49 PM PST by neverdem
marktwain linked Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens on two of my recent threads. I verified all of its links. If someone tries to disable that webpage, I'm linking all of its links below current links and posts.
Two Cautionary Tales of Gun Control
Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons--summary of Feinstein Bill, incl. registry requirement
Is it True Armed Civilians Have Never Stopped a Mass Shooting?
Mother Jones's Own Reporting Contradicts Its Conclusions on Gun Violence
Guns in schools can save lives - Disarming law abiding citizens left them sitting ducks.
I used the original titles, some are Wikipedia titles, for the links within Mass Killings Stopped by Armed Citizens:
Appalachian School of Law shooting
The Chronicle, Muskegon, MI, 8/23/95
Jeanne Assam and the New Life Church Shooting
Gun-shop employee prevents massacre(California, 1999) by marktwain!
A Massacre We Didn't Hear About
Statistics show concealed carry saves many lives, takes few
RV PARK KILLINGS: 'Witness shooter' recounts shootout with gunman who killed two in Early
Shooter with hit-list shot dead in AT&T store
College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Victims Released; No Charges Filed Against Reno Man In Winnemucca Shootings
Parker Middle School dance shooting
Police identify man who shot, killed pastor’s mother at church
Clackamas Concealed Carry Showdown – The Full Story
P.S. Arthur Kellermann, one of the authors in the JAMA article, has written some of the most outrageous "studies" about guns in the medical literature, e.g. he equated the risk of criminal acquaintances getting killed with family and friends if someone kept a gun in their home.
Some noteworthy articles about politics, foreign or military affairs, IMHO, FReepmail me if you want on or off my list.
Thanks for the ping!
If you're looking for a rational motivation for an insane act committed by a mentally ill person then something's not right with your head, doc.
There’s insanity, and then there’s irrationality. There is a difference. Caligula was just as violent as this Connecticut fruit-loop, and so was King Herod with his slaying of the innocents. But Herod had his own logic - “If anyone else thinks they’re going to be king, they will have to kill me - and I will kill them first!” Likewise, the Connecticut fruit-loop had a plan - to become famous and make “everyone” care about what made him tick. So if the good doctor wants to analyze what could be done differently to prevent this sort of thing, best he would start by analyzing the effects of what the journalists and the politicians do in response to such outrages. Instead of joining the chorus of journalists and politicians who are doing wrong, or at best irrelevant, things.If you don’t assume a priori that your favorite government civil rights violation will inevitably improve things and have no unintended consequences, maybe you will consider that the vast number of legally owned guns has resulted in remarkably - according to your illiberal “liberal” logic - few casualties. From there you might consider the extent to which gun ownership as an antibody against violence. Antibodies can certainly have ill effects in the form of autoimmune disorders, but the existence of such disorders does not make you think that antibodies are something the body would be better off without. But when you frame the issue as how to reduce gun violence, rather than violence overall, you are doing exactly that - trying to reduce autoimmune disease, at the risk of worsening disease in general.
The United States has long relied on public health science to improve the safety, health, and lives of its citizens. Perhaps the same straightforward, problem-solving approach that worked well in other circumstances can help the nation meet the challenge of firearm violence. Otherwise, the heartache that the nation and perhaps the world is feeling over the senseless gun violence in Newtown will likely be repeated, again and again.If you really took a public health approach, the first thing you would notice would be politically incorrect - the fact that violence is not uniformly distributed among ethnic groups. Your public health approach would then be to quarantine the people among whom the violence is concentrated. Oh, that isn’t what you meant?? Surprise, surprise!! I guess your approach to violating civil rights is much more, I guess you would call it, “nuanced.”
LOL....great shot! And in reality, the "quarantining" of said group is taking place even in the absence of "public health studies". It's called "going to PRISON", where the members of said group reside in numbers far higher than their percentage in the general population.
I assume you are directing that at the author not me.
Decades of research have been devoted to understanding the factors that lead some people to commit violence against themselves or others. Substantially less has been done to understand how easy access to firearms mitigates or amplifies both the likelihood and consequences of these acts.
| gun ownership <=> MurderDeathKill |
< / off Sandra Bullock>
Somehow I think he's trolling for another Bellesiles "study".
Whoooa! First I've heard of that! Is this something the MSM are passing over lightly? Air-brushing, as it were, their portrait of another Tea Party-crazed zombie killer?
I assume you are directing that at the author not me.. . . maybe you will consider that the vast number of legally owned guns has resulted in remarkably - according to your illiberal “liberal” logic - few casualties.
Yes. I’m afraid that one of the hazards of posting an article with which you disagree is the default tendency for rebuttals of the article to get addressed to you.
The infamous "43 to 1" statistic which was spawned by this 'study' postulates that a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill the owner or a family member than to kill an intruder. 37 of those 43 instances were suicides, so the people who died under those circumstances chose to kill themselves and would have done so regardless of whether a gun was available.
That still leaves 6 to 1 where someone in the home is supposedly more likely to be killed than in intruder. The reason I underlined the word killed is because any instances where brandishing the weapon was enough to scare off an intruder, or firing the weapon resulted in either no injury or a non-lethal injury to the criminal was not counted as a defensive use of the firearm.
Also; in domestic disputes where a woman defends herself from an abusive spouse or partner, a self-defense death was counted as a 'family member being killed' for the purposes of the study.
Perfect example of a study being manipulated to support a predetermined conclusion.
Thanks. Just wanted clarification. That done; I agree with your points completely. 300 - 400 million guns in private hands and only a few thousand are killed with guns each year. Tear that figure down and most of those shootings are done by people who live like feral animals many of whom the courts have already had a chance to deal with.
Check these out:
http://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/
http://sistertoldjah.com/archives/2012/12/21/about-that-armed-deputy-at-columbine/
Apologies if they’re already posted.
Thanks for the links.
I had no idea that Arthur “Like hell I’m gonna let you look at my raw data” Kellerman was still around.
That’s what I read .. and they compared it to the movie killer too .. saying it was much of the same stuff.
There are spiritual forces at work - whether people want to believe it or not.
And .. if anybody was paying attention, has anybody but me noticed the similar wide-eyed stare as the other two multiple killers: the guy in AZ; the movie theatre guy and now the school shooting. If you put them all in a row - it’s obvious to anyone who cares to see - they all have the very same vacant stare.
Very worrisome to me.
Yes, I saw that. But I don't think it's the same thing as the battle-fatigued "thousand-yard stare" people talked about after Guadalcanal, in the faces of men who'd pulled long stretches of intense combat.
Or maybe it is -- video game burnout?
Actually, it’s demonic.
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