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Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons--summary of Feinstein Bill, incl. registry requirement
United States Senate ^ | 12/27/2012 | Dianne Feinstein

Posted on 12/27/2012 7:50:24 AM PST by driftdiver

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To: Smokin' Joe

“In extremis, I may be old, but I’ll still be able to vote from the rooftops. If they are foolish enough to push the issue, I’ll do my best to make my last ballots count.”

Wow! Money quote!


151 posted on 12/27/2012 12:57:56 PM PST by elcid1970 ("The Second Amendment is more important than Islam.")
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To: bergmeid

^^^

I want all voters ID’d and fingerprinted. Feinstein can chew on that for a while.

^^^

With a bus out front to take into custody all those with outstanding warrants. In Atlanta alone, you would need a line of buses bigger than the high school at 3 PM.


152 posted on 12/27/2012 1:05:08 PM PST by wrench
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Sorry, Ron but you are mistaken. My brother-in-law has lived there for 25+ years and he has to “register” per the link below. So, you are either ignorant of the sorry law, violating the law, or misleading readers of this thread. Not meaning to offend, but incorrect info needs to be challenged.

http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearmsregistration.aspx


153 posted on 12/27/2012 1:07:18 PM PST by secondamendmentkid
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To: usconservative

Boats are treacherous things!


154 posted on 12/27/2012 1:13:08 PM PST by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Perhaps I am wrong. But you need to accept the possibility that these guys aren't even thinking in terms of a 2014 election. You need to accept the possibility that they see this as their best chance to seriously weaken the 2nd Amendment. You need to accept the possibility that this admin. is going to use this tragedy to further solidify its grasp of power over our completely dumbed-downed society. In other words, you should at least ponder what you will do IF I am right. Simply saying “I'm wrong...end of story” is exactly what they want you to do.
155 posted on 12/27/2012 1:15:47 PM PST by JGT
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To: Candor7

Doesn’t FOPA effectively ban gun registration, except for machine guns and silencers?


156 posted on 12/27/2012 1:15:47 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: JGT
So what is it that I am supposed to do if you are right?

And how do you know I haven't already done it?

157 posted on 12/27/2012 1:32:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: secondamendmentkid
I was born and raised in So. Cal., lived there for 40 years. When I bought ammo for my .44 I had to show I.D. and give a thumb print.

Maybe it was the gun store policy, I don't know but I remember having to do it.

As an aside, the gun shop I am referring to was B & B in No. Hollywood. It's the same shop the cops went to to get heavier arms in the B of A robbery and subsequent shoot out.

158 posted on 12/27/2012 1:37:35 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: elcid1970
Gallup Poll Shows Gun Ownership in U.S. Highest in Nearly 20 Years

Concealed carry laws are probably one reason, plus the idea that certain guns might be banned, but if you already own one, you will be "grandfathered."

People might be surprised at how many "little old ladies" have a gun in the house.

159 posted on 12/27/2012 1:38:42 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
For starters you can abandon the notion that any bill in any shape, form or fashion is DOA. There is no such thing with these cultural Marxists or eunich repubs. I have no idea what you have or have not done, I can only respond to comments that you have made. What you choose to do in the face of tyranny is simply that...your choice.
160 posted on 12/27/2012 1:40:18 PM PST by JGT
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To: JGT
Tell you what... you believe what you want to believe, and I'll believe what I want to believe.

Deal?

161 posted on 12/27/2012 1:42:23 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: secondamendmentkid
I just clicked your link, I was referring to California in my post that you responded to, not Las Vegas.

Nevada is one of the best States for gun laws, Clark Co, (Las Vegas) is the only County that requires hand gun registration.

162 posted on 12/27/2012 1:43:09 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: driftdiver

Stopping sale or transfer takes the value - my investment- out of these objects.

It’s a taking without compensation, since I can’t sell.


163 posted on 12/27/2012 1:46:10 PM PST by DBrow
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To: DBrow

I don’t think they value the rule of law as much as your post attributes to them...

If they’ll violate the 2nd, why not the 4th or 5th?


164 posted on 12/27/2012 1:49:00 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I didn't mean to offend, afterall we are on the same side.
165 posted on 12/27/2012 1:49:18 PM PST by JGT
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To: JGT

Run along and so something in the face of tyranny.


166 posted on 12/27/2012 1:50:57 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: driftdiver

Secret workshops. Start making them. Now.


167 posted on 12/27/2012 1:52:01 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
That’s very mature and a great insight to this very important moment in our Republic’s history. Keep up the good fight.
168 posted on 12/27/2012 1:56:47 PM PST by JGT
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To: MrB

Change the mood, and people will stop buying voluntarily. That’s how you deal effectively with a “powder keg”. Ban guns, and you increase the mood. American Spring is coming. Buy my book: http://www.amazon.com/United-America-2014-Ben-Maxwell/dp/1424152739/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356645090&sr=8-1&keywords=united+america%3A+2014
I need the cash, and besides, I always wanted to war profiteer.


169 posted on 12/27/2012 1:58:00 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: driftdiver
Stopping the spread of deadly assault weapons

Maybe Diane and her commie cohorts can invent a condom to stop the spread.

170 posted on 12/27/2012 1:59:57 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: driftdiver

here’s a lady that would be glad to help:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0069952/


171 posted on 12/27/2012 2:05:21 PM PST by isom35
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To: driftdiver
The following part was interesting, too. Remember that politicians sponsoring or trying to pass such bills have constituents demanding those kinds of laws. Thoroughly consider the demographics of such constituents. Who are they?

"Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include:

Background check of owner and any transferee;
Type and serial number of the firearm;
Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint;
Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law;
and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration.
"


172 posted on 12/27/2012 2:14:43 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: driftdiver

OK, I know I’ll be flamed, but here goes...

First, a disclaimer: I am not a gun owner, nor am I a member of the NRA. I *AM* a conservative. I *do* support the Second Amendment. I just didn’t grow up in a family that owned guns or did any hunting. The only guns I have ever fired in my life are cap guns, squirt guns, and a BB gun once at some of those fake duck targets at a county fair when I was about 8.

That being said, I am asking a sincere question: What is the problem with banning assault weapons? Why would anyone need them? I’m looking to the gun owners and those who really understand the Second Amendment to educate me, please.


173 posted on 12/27/2012 2:22:58 PM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: crosshairs

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


174 posted on 12/27/2012 2:26:12 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What good can a hand gun do against an army? Not much. And I do understand that if a law is passed, only the law-abiding will comply. I think you’ve answered my questions. Thanks.


175 posted on 12/27/2012 2:32:22 PM PST by Purrcival (Four more years of OBAMA??????????? I hope this country can survive.)
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To: crosshairs
real combat assault rifles are mandated by the second amendment. They are necessary to defend the general populace against a tyrannical government

the government should fear the public, Fienstein and Obamster should be looking over their shoulder and checking their nasty gargoyle faces for red lazer dots constantly because of the way they are acting

the reason big government fears AR's is because they know this

176 posted on 12/27/2012 2:34:03 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: driftdiver

To: Frankenfeinstein, Obama , and the rest of You evil, communist/democrats,

If you want take our guns and with it our freedom and rights then you will have to take them by force.

We are here in Louisiana, come and take them,

the Men of Louisiana


177 posted on 12/27/2012 2:35:57 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: Purrcival
What is the problem with banning assault weapons?

You have to understand that a so-called "assault weapon" is no different operationally than other semiautomatic firearms. The so-called "assault weapon" isn't inherently any more lethal than a semiautomatic Browning .30-06 or .45 Glock .

178 posted on 12/27/2012 2:38:26 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: Purrcival

No flames here.

Well for one thing “assault weapon” is a name Congress made up and applied to one of the most popular target rifles (think National Match course and Camp Perry). Very common plinking guns as well. People own something like 18 million of them, and hundreds of millions of mags for them.

Assault weapon is a label only, it has nothing to do with reality.

I looked at 2010 stats and found that there were 358 or so murders from rifles of all sorts, which means that the “assault weapons” are NOT being used to spray death upon the hapless innocents as the government suggests is happening. The same year there were over 1700 stabbings, fo a little perspective.

Other than that, there have been times when Americans, civilians, had to engage multiple targets. Let’s say you go outside and find that four gangbangers, three with baseball bats, are attacking your kid. A couple 20 round mags is completely appropriate because you are not going to land effective stopping shots on all three with a six-round revolver or 10 round 9mm.

I also believe that these are appropriate anti-tyrrany devices (if they weren’t the government would not lie about them). If you counter with “the government has tanks, F15s and nukes”, I’d have to concede- after all we are winning in Afghanistan and Iraq, we won in Nam and Korea and Somalia and Haiti with the tanks, planes and nukes. I don’t think the USG could stand up to a civilian force of a million, in other words.


179 posted on 12/27/2012 2:41:04 PM PST by DBrow
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To: Purrcival
Many years ago I used to think the way you do about the use of firearms for hunting and self-defense. But not now. The 2nd Amendment may in part be about hunting, and self defense (Indians, etc.) - but it was, and is, about having the means to resist a tyrannical government. As Mark Levin said, it is not “Gun Control”, it is “Citizen Control”.

Here are two quotes from Thomas Jefferson:

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” —

“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”

And read the link about the “handgun against an Army” - it is good.

180 posted on 12/27/2012 2:41:05 PM PST by 21twelve (So I [God] gave them over to their stubborn hearts to follow their own devices. Psalm 81:12)
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To: Purrcival
What is the problem with banning assault weapons? Why would anyone need them? I’m looking to the gun owners and those who really understand the Second Amendment to educate me, please.

I wont flame you. I suggest that you go and read the history of the 2nd Amendment. I suggest that you read the Founders views on people owning arms.

Above all, the Founders wanted the citizens to be well armed in order to overthrow the Federal government if it became tyrannical.

Our Founders would have absolutely no issue with citizens owning so called assault weapons.

181 posted on 12/27/2012 2:41:10 PM PST by sand88
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To: Purrcival

It is depressing that someone would even need to ask. It’s like asking why would banning the internet really be bad, since we still have newspapers for the 1st.


182 posted on 12/27/2012 2:44:54 PM PST by Monty22002
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To: driftdiver

SSDD. She has to do this because it keeps her queer constituents slobbering. Job security. Even she knows it doesn’t have to pass to keep her relevant in their eyes.


183 posted on 12/27/2012 2:47:49 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Dead Corpse
Oh heck no...

Good, I thought you were more cognizant than to take agencies of or 'government for the people' at their word.

184 posted on 12/27/2012 2:48:35 PM PST by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: LucianOfSamasota

“... Senator ‘I’ve worked hard for that title’ Dianne Feinstein.”

That was Babs Boxer.


185 posted on 12/27/2012 2:51:13 PM PST by Blue Collar Christian (I hope we're ready to get a real candidate next time. C'mon GOP! <BCC><)
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To: Purrcival

Did you go to the link and actually read the article?


186 posted on 12/27/2012 2:53:27 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: TurboZamboni

I think I'll get mine refinished like this, so it's not a "Bad Black Gun".

187 posted on 12/27/2012 2:54:32 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: wolf24

How much do you wanna bet that during these second background checks, they’ll conveniently find something in your background that disqualifies you?


188 posted on 12/27/2012 2:56:07 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Pollster1

Some of those parts remind me of the old fashioned hair rollers.

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189 posted on 12/27/2012 2:56:29 PM PST by Mears
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To: Purrcival

Here’s the problem with outlawing semi-automatic rifles and magazines. The Founders put the 2A in the Bill of Rights because they wanted “the people” to be better armed than “the army.” We had just fought Britain because THEY wanted to disarm us. Where the army is better armed than the people, (see Soviet Russia, Communist China() there is tyranny. Where the people are better armed than the government, there is freedom. Perhaps you think the Federal Government should be our lords and masters and take our arms from us?


190 posted on 12/27/2012 2:57:58 PM PST by ez (When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I wonder if a well placed Nitro Express would take out an Apache ?

If the American Spring started up you know they would fire up those lawn mowers to break up the Tea Party

Every friday at 2:30 pm one or two Apaches fly over downtown Los Angeles for some reason

191 posted on 12/27/2012 2:58:10 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: driftdiver

B-L-O-W—M-E you wanton pompous self-centered uppity shrew.


192 posted on 12/27/2012 2:58:10 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: C210N
...The people's right shall not be infringed to keep any form of Arms of bears. I presume this would include fur and claws. The only question I'm not sure about is the elbow.

Well, long time ago when in the army back in the days of few black belts I had my fingers,palms, toes, feet, knee caps, forehead( yep) AND elbows printed. Don't know if they were serious to this day or they just wanted to make me wipe off all the black ink! There was a lot of laughter but now, hmmm I would wonder about intentions.

193 posted on 12/27/2012 3:03:00 PM PST by Karliner ( Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Romans 8:38"...this is the end of the beginning."WC)
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To: Hardastarboard
"She has to know that not even a majority of the liberal crazies in the Senate will sign on to this,..."

It's part of a bandwagon approach to convince the Democrat majority in the Colorado assembly to ban semi-auto rifles and magazines, where much money is being spent (including money from Bloomberg's organization). From there, they plan to jump on the next state, and so on. State legislators are squishier than most people realize.


194 posted on 12/27/2012 3:05:19 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: Purrcival
They (democrats/communists) want us disarmed so they can enslave and genocide us.

Why should we allow government bureaucrats to decide who can own “assault” guns or whatever? You like democrats are for empowering government while at the same time dis-empowering the individual when the individual is small and the government is already so huge and powerful. You want to turn the U.S.A into a communist nation because the media reports on some stupid mass shooting. the threat is the media and the government not our gun rights , not our freedom , not responsible gun owners who have the right to defend their home against criminals and to have assault guns to defend against a tyranical government.

You liberals are letting the frickin media control you and brainwash you.

Thousands if not millions of Americans have been tortured, murdered and raped because they didn't have a gun to protect themselves.
Each year Thousands die in the U.S.A from just falling down. The killings from mass shootings are statistically non-existant in a country of 300 million. Millions die from heart disease. Thousands of victims of rape and murder not from guns but things like baseball bats.

Also the media is what causes the mass shooters to shoot to w seek fame and to become the next star in their sick minds. The media makes these mass shooters world famous and household names when they can report them it but don't have to identify them in order to not cause copy cats but they do so knowingly.

195 posted on 12/27/2012 3:07:04 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: familyop
no doubt

in order to qualify to be a politician you must be a silver spoon popular dork with a soft belly and pudgy fingers, with no real life experience at suffering , very few exceptions to that rule

196 posted on 12/27/2012 3:13:12 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: Logical me

“The Democrats and the communists are running scared. And they need be! Some Americans are getting real damn mad.”

Democrats and communists is a bit redundant.

Obviously they’re scared: they read the news as well and know that those big, nasty black guns can’t be purchased anymore. Because every single one has been snapped up by eager buyers!

They prefer their peasantry to be unarmed.


197 posted on 12/27/2012 3:14:25 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: Mears

I know what you mean. I had to check thoroughly before I believed it was real.


198 posted on 12/27/2012 3:16:50 PM PST by Pollster1 (Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. - Ronald Reagan)
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To: ez

“Perhaps you think the Federal Government should be our lords and masters and take our arms from us?”

Yes he does and so do other liberals/democrats. They don’t have a clue to how the media is manipulating them.


199 posted on 12/27/2012 3:21:57 PM PST by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: FunkyZero

Will the GOP fight it? That is the question.


200 posted on 12/27/2012 3:26:58 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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