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Could Pittsburgh Be The Next Paris? (gag)
KDKA - Pittsburgh ^ | 12/26/2012

Posted on 12/26/2012 3:15:00 PM PST by surroundedbyblue

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) – Paris — the city of lights and love, and a destination for millions of tourists — could that be the future Pittsburgh with some sensible, healthy-focused city planning?

“Pittsburgh has wonderful parks, and you also have that wonderful next to the river walking pathway,” says Dr. Richard Jackson, a physician and urban designer.

Jackson, who teaches at UCLA, says Paris is a good example of a healthy city that Pittsburgh could become.

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“People could meet most of their life needs without having to get into a car. Most Americans are owned by their cars, rather than the other way around,”

More trash from the enviro-weenies. Meanwhile, in Pittsburgh, it snowed like crazy today & the roads were largely untouched. But what do you expect from a city run by dumbass Democrats???

1 posted on 12/26/2012 3:15:02 PM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: surroundedbyblue

Just what I would want to do, ride the subway unarmed with a subway car loaded with Holders People. Thank God I live in the sticks.


2 posted on 12/26/2012 3:25:12 PM PST by Husker24
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To: surroundedbyblue

Philly cheesesteaks with Swiss cheese, just like Kerry loves...


3 posted on 12/26/2012 3:30:07 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

The Eiffel tower is starting to rust out, it’s probably time to move it to Pittsburgh.


4 posted on 12/26/2012 3:37:45 PM PST by palmer (Obama = Carter + affirmative action)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Jackson, who teaches at UCLA, says Paris is a good example of a healthy city that Pittsburgh could become.

In Paris, the beautiful parks and avenues are the result of a thriving economy -- not the cause. But liberals believe that if you create the appearance of prosperity, the real thing must necessarily follow.

It's what drives them to constantly increase welfare. They mistake the trappings of the middle class [house, cars, education] for the cause. Instead, though, they are the effect of a good work ethic and solid morals.

Putting the eternally-poor into decent housing and giving them a lower-middle-class income will not make them middle class. If anything, it will encourage them to become even more slothful.

Northeastern libs in cities like Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Buffalo, etc. drink this stuff like fine wine, though.

5 posted on 12/26/2012 3:39:19 PM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

I’m a Cleveland Brown’s fan . . as long as that despotic city puts up with the like of the Steelers, it will NEVER be a Paris!!!


6 posted on 12/26/2012 3:39:52 PM PST by 2nd Amendment
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To: surroundedbyblue

Sneaky.

The author poses a romantic notion that Pittsburg can become the urban mecca that Paris is, if we just give up our cars.

No problem with making Pittsburg a better place, it’s just that the unsaid implementation means forcing people out of cars, except for government officials who are too important to walk or take public trans.

Disclaimer: I moved to a city where I have to walk alot, by choice.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 3:47:15 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: surroundedbyblue
The gag tag is correct. The unions and liberals have destroyed a once vibrant (albeit a bit smokey) city that served as the arsenal of the world. Now the powers that be are trying to transform what used to be a "shot 'n beer" town into their vision of a metrosexual paradise.

These photos capture the Pittsburgh of my childhood when J&L and USS afforded near full-employment to anyone able to work. Sure, the air was thick with the fumes from the mills along the three rivers but it was the smell of prosperity in what was a working man's town. Given a choice between the "Paris on the Confluence" and the Pittsburgh I recall, it's an easy choice for me. Bring back the smoke!


8 posted on 12/26/2012 3:47:51 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: cicero2k
No problem with making Pittsburg a better place...

IBTHP.

In before the 'h' posting.

9 posted on 12/26/2012 3:50:26 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Please, please.

We may love knocking the French, but Paris is still one of the most beautiful cities in the world.

(At least for a while - until the muznuts take over and convert it into a replica mid-east slum,)


10 posted on 12/26/2012 3:52:56 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: 2nd Amendment
...it will NEVER be a Paris!!!

Ahhh...the French featuring a plastered Orson Welles.

11 posted on 12/26/2012 3:53:15 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Progressives want to get us out of cars and single family homes and into trains and mass housing.

Their agenda is evidenced many, many ways.


12 posted on 12/26/2012 3:54:03 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Not likely since the most rude and obnoxious people I've ever had to deal with on a regular basis with were from New Jersey and Pennsylvania..........

Personal experience being my company's now closed manufacturing plants in both Red Lion and Philadelphia...........

Even their lame attempts to appear friendly was obnoxious.......

13 posted on 12/26/2012 3:55:10 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: surroundedbyblue

We'll always have Pittsburgh.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 3:56:39 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: billorites

hearty guffaw...


15 posted on 12/26/2012 4:02:32 PM PST by americas.best.days... ( I think we can now say that they are behind us.)
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To: Da Coyote
"Paris is still one of the most beautiful cities in the world."

Boy, is it ever. And it's a city made for walking.

People complain about Parisians and rudeness, but they're no worse than New Yorkers.

"Don't worry about it." explained a French friend. "The Parisians are rude to everyone."

I've traveled a fair bit in France, and perhaps it has been because I was traveling with small children, but the French have always been very kind and thoughtful towards me and my family.

Go to the south and visit Provence. That's where the French Freepers are.

16 posted on 12/26/2012 4:05:46 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: surroundedbyblue

And Detroit can be the new Rio.


17 posted on 12/26/2012 4:06:08 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Not likely since the most rude and obnoxious people I've ever had to deal with on a regular basis with were from New Jersey and Pennsylvania.......... <

Have you ever been to Paris...???

18 posted on 12/26/2012 4:10:03 PM PST by okie01
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To: surroundedbyblue
The next Detroit is more like it.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 4:10:20 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: surroundedbyblue

This has long been the liberal dream. I heard Hubert Humphrey say the same thing in a speech in Pittsburgh in 1974.


20 posted on 12/26/2012 4:10:41 PM PST by mak5
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To: surroundedbyblue
“People could meet most of their life needs without having to get into a car. Most Americans are owned by their cars, rather than the other way around,”

So we can assume the professor does not drive nor own a dirty car?

21 posted on 12/26/2012 4:13:38 PM PST by Bon mots (Abu Ghraib: 47 Times on the front page of the NY Times | Benghazi: 2 Times)
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To: surroundedbyblue
It is a very romanticized vision. Pittsburgh isn't going to become "the Next Paris" because Paris drew on talent from a whole country, continent or world. Pittsburgh has too many competitors: somebody's going to decide Dubuque or DesMoines is a better candidate and your wanna-be Parisians will move there.

It's also too much of a consumption centered vision. Old Pittsburgh wanted to produce goods for the rest of the world and did so, well and on a large scale. That was a good enough destiny for any city. After that, crepes and aperitifs is a major comedown. You're not going to get back the identity and sense of purpose that steelmaking gave the city by inviting in artists and hipsters who'd just as soon be somewhere else.

You're right that the vision of the "new Paris" is the bait people are offered to swallow the "carless future" idea. But I wouldn't be too down on that idea. Who can say what conditions will be like 50 or 100 years from now?

Children who grew up a century ago in the real mansions of Fifth Avenue and Newport got really sick of those environments and came to prefer apartment living. Who's to say that the kids in today's minimansions may not follow a similar path?

Already a lot of retirees are moving back to cities, glad to be rid of the hassles of suburban existence. Of course the freedom and mobility cars bring shouldn't be surrendered, but if people choose otherwise for themselves without diminishing your options, is it really a bad thing?

22 posted on 12/26/2012 4:14:17 PM PST by x
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To: surroundedbyblue

Is there enough dogcrap on Pittsburgh’s sidewalks to resemble Paris?


23 posted on 12/26/2012 4:17:30 PM PST by 353FMG
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To: surroundedbyblue

Dr. Richard Jackson, Chair of the School of Health at UCLA, and former head of the National Center for Environmental Health at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), argued that how we shape our environment impacts our health. There are now deep-rooted structural issues with the built environment that are creating epidemics of obesity, diabetes, and depression. Also, the current way of dealing with these structural issues is only just increasing the annual amount of spending on healthcare (now at 17 percent of GDP), instead of addressing the underlying problems. “We are now medicalizing the problems people are experiencing with their environment. We are no longer creating wellbeing.”

Instead of addressing the public health impacts of the absence of trees, low-albedo streets (which contribute to the urban heat island effect), as well as a lack of sustainable transportation planning, which can help spur the growth of public transit options, we are instead “looking at the end of the pipeline,” the medical effects. Our environment is sending us a message: “We are appendages to our cars.”

While in California he helped establish the California Birth Defects Monitoring Program and state and national laws to reduce risks from pesticides, especially to farm workers and to children. While at CDC he established the national asthma epidemiology and control program, oversaw the childhood lead poisoning prevention program, and instituted the federal effort to “biomonitor” chemical levels in the US population


24 posted on 12/26/2012 4:25:57 PM PST by kcvl
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To: cripplecreek
"And Detroit can be the new Rio."

Tall and tan and young and lovely,
The girl from Pontiac goes walking
And when she passes,
Each one she passes goes - yo!

25 posted on 12/26/2012 4:27:02 PM PST by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: okie01
Have you ever been to Paris...???

No, I heard it was too much like Pittsburgh.........

26 posted on 12/26/2012 4:29:32 PM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: billorites
Well we do have the Tiger girls but last I heard one of them was dating Captain America.

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27 posted on 12/26/2012 4:32:10 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Bon mots

I find the Shanghai transformation astonishing,especially in such a brief period of time.

One of my sons visited Shanghai about a year ago and loved it,especially the way it lights up at night.

.


28 posted on 12/26/2012 4:38:51 PM PST by Mears
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To: cicero2k

I don’t think most people go on vacation so they can jog and ride their bikes — walk maybe from their hotel to wherever, maybe. But their primary reason for going on the vacation is not to walk from one place to another.

Now, does Pittsburgh have adequate tourist attractions? I’m not so sure....Carnegie Science Center is nice, but a lot of major cities have hands-on science museums now. Some will come for the ball games (Pirates, Steelers, Penguins, even Pitt) but most major cities have that too. I don’t think anyone goes on vacation for the parks and greenways, unless it’s a big park and you can camp overnight.

They built a large convention center some years ago....I don’t think they had the hotel space to support large conventions though. I’ve been away for a while; I get back occasionally so maybe the hotel space has caught up.

I’m looking over the convention center’s schedule....RV Show, Auto Show, Bead/Jewelry Show, Home and Garden Show...I think these are things people from the metro area come to look at rather than stay overnight for.


29 posted on 12/26/2012 4:46:31 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: re_nortex

I thought he was going to say “Ahhh, the French, they are a funny race, they fight with their feet and f...”


30 posted on 12/26/2012 4:47:15 PM PST by null and void (Going Galt: The won't of the people)
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To: surroundedbyblue
Could Pittsburgh Be The Next Paris?

No.

31 posted on 12/26/2012 4:56:41 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Wow!!!


32 posted on 12/26/2012 5:09:51 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: x

“Of course the freedom and mobility cars bring shouldn’t be surrendered, but if people choose otherwise for themselves without diminishing your options, is it really a bad thing?”

It is a bad thing when it’s “encouraged” by the political elite & us serfs are nudged toward carlessness & public housing. That, to me, is the insinuation here.

Perhaps you ought to read “Agenda 21”. Although it’s a work of fiction (written by a woman from Pittsburgh, ironically) it gives you a good glimpse into where this type of thinking is leading.


33 posted on 12/26/2012 5:13:07 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: martin_fierro; sneakers; PennsylvaniaMom; prisoner6

‘burg ping!


34 posted on 12/26/2012 5:14:40 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: re_nortex
Dair is califnroniachampagine, Buy Paul Masson.

Ispierd mmmmmmm Buy Dat Same French Excliance.

It is a Rich Full Bodied Wine, sensibly priced at a Dollar a Jug.

They are full of Country Goodness and Green Pea-ness.


35 posted on 12/26/2012 5:20:32 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: surroundedbyblue
It is called...The Pitt.
36 posted on 12/26/2012 5:24:27 PM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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To: KC_Lion

Ok....I live here & that’s a little TOO SCARY!!! LOL!


37 posted on 12/26/2012 5:28:41 PM PST by surroundedbyblue (Live the message of Fatima - pray & do penance!)
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To: surroundedbyblue

The story specifically mentioned tourism, so that’s where I went with it....but you’re probably right that there is a hidden agenda here.

Pittsburgh is not a particularly easy city for tourists to get around....its city blocks are not necessarily square (due to the triangles of the river and the hills)...so you can take 4 right turns and not wind up where you started.


38 posted on 12/26/2012 6:26:52 PM PST by scrabblehack
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To: BfloGuy

I think your post is EXCELLENT & expresses what I have been thinking & could not quite put into words. Thanks!


39 posted on 12/26/2012 6:30:44 PM PST by leaning conservative (snow coming, school cancelled, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: cicero2k

They’re always big on the part about not driving cars like European cities, but not so big on putting enough busses on the street to make riding them feasible.


40 posted on 12/26/2012 6:35:21 PM PST by ichabod1 (Spriiingtime for islam, and tyranny. Winter for US and frieeends. . .)
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To: re_nortex
I agree whole heartily. As a fellow Rust Belter who lives in the City of Cleveland.

The do-gooder environmental idiot come to my door regularly about Mital and the proposed incinerator for Cleveland Power. I all but physically throw them off my property and give them a lecture about the trade offs between a pristine environment and economic viability. I often chase them down the street.

41 posted on 12/26/2012 6:41:24 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: KC_Lion

Looks like Pittsburgh lost World War Z to the Zombies


42 posted on 12/26/2012 6:47:03 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: Hot Tabasco
Paris is not well noted for it's customer service and native kindness.

Besides Pittsburgh IS NOT Philadelphia. It is an entire state away and is much cleaner and inhabited by more hospitable people. Even though they speak like they have a mouth full of quarters. Yens understands what I mean?

43 posted on 12/26/2012 6:48:04 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: scrabblehack

The only US city we enjoy for walking is San Antonio’s canal system. Venice Italy is a walkable canal city.

Another reason people would go to these cities is one of a kind arts. Paris has the Louvre, D’Orsay and Versailles. Not to mention restaurants and cafe’s. These amenities go hand in hand with walking.

How Pittsburg would pull this off remains to be seen, but I would advise them to build canals. It would take guts for the planners, but they have to think big and bold.


44 posted on 12/26/2012 6:49:53 PM PST by cicero2k
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To: re_nortex

Jones and Laughlin who needs them, we have our Asia made ipads. That’s the way to national prosperity.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 6:50:27 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: BfloGuy
In Paris, the beautiful parks and avenues are the result of a thriving economy -- not the cause. But liberals believe that if you create the appearance of prosperity, the real thing must necessarily follow.

Same thing with Obama/Democrats obsession with high speed rail. The thriving economy should come first to justify it. But the Dems think you rev up the states economy by building the high speed rail first. They are that stupid in addition to these projects being a payoff to their union buddies

46 posted on 12/26/2012 6:56:46 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything -- Buddhist monk)
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To: surroundedbyblue

Who knows - teach ‘Burghers to stop bathing and using deodorant and to start peeing in the streets - it could happen.


47 posted on 12/26/2012 7:05:59 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: scrabblehack
I worked Pittsburgh for many years. The phrase ‘You can't get there from here’ was invented there.

I staid at a hotel just outside of downtown once. I wanted to get a sandwich at the Subway sandwich shop accross the highway, I could see it from my hotel room . I spent the next two hours lost trying to get there. I found my way back to the Hotel, asked the front desk clerk how to get to the Subway across the highway.

“You can't get there from here, you'd never find it!”

48 posted on 12/26/2012 7:42:47 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: cicero2k; surroundedbyblue

Morning cicero2k!

Ever been to Pittsburgh? They don’t need canals; They got RIVERS! Three of them, to be exact! BIG ones! :-)


49 posted on 12/27/2012 2:41:39 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Pittsburgh is a world away from Philly. It may be full of libs - it’s an old union town, after all - but it is as homey and friendly a place as you’ll ever want to visit.


50 posted on 12/27/2012 2:47:32 AM PST by sneakers (Go Sheriff Joe!)
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