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The Case Against Public Education ( Abolish it!)
American Thinker ^ | December 26, 2012 | By Daren Jonescu

Posted on 12/26/2012 11:03:12 AM PST by wintertime

If public education is allowed to survive, all efforts to resuscitate the inert husk of modern civilization will fail. It is time to unravel the most wasteful and destructive entitlement program of all. .

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For years, reasonable and serious people have known that the educational establishment is at the root of the undoing of modernity and its natural political fruit, individual liberty. And for years, excepting a tiny, brave minority of parents and educators, most citizens have assumed that the problems of the education system, however grave, are to be resolved through legislative reforms, bureaucratic changes, or school board activism.

Such methods, though often undertaken with the noblest of intentions, have always failed, in spite of the few heartening but minor victories that may have been won on the way to ultimate defeat. This general failure is inevitable, as treating the superficial symptoms of a fatal disease will always be, whatever temporary relief such treatment may bring to the sufferer.

It is time for all those who have struggled in frustration to change "the system" -- and that includes the brave minority of public school teachers who have chosen to stand quixotically against the progressive avalanche -- to band together with other advocates of freedom and virtue in taking a bolder step: acknowledge that the system itself is rigged to fail, or, at its worst, to "succeed" on evil terms. Acknowledge that, implausible as it may sound to most people at this early stage, if you really want to raise a generation of rational, decent adults prepared to shrug off the chains that today's majority has accepted in exchange for its "fair share" of the state's ill-gotten booty, you must emancipate the next generation of young adults from progressivism's universal indoctrination program.

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Please substitute the words "slave" and "slavery" for the words , "student" , "child", and "school" in the posts defending government compulsory indoctrination. You will soon see that the exact same arguments used to defend slavery are the **same** arguments used to defend compulsory government indoctrination centers ( misnamed "schools').

Fundamentally, there are institutions so evil that they must be abolished even if those oppressed are materially worse off than before. Government K-12 schooling is one of those institutions.

By the way,.....In one very tiny way, slavery was not as evil as government schooling. At least the government did not force citizens to pay taxes to uphold and support slavery institutions, and no one was forced by the government to buy or use the services of a slave.

1 posted on 12/26/2012 11:03:18 AM PST by wintertime
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To: metmom
Another Reason to Homeschool

And....This article outlines very clearly many of the reasons why government schooling must be abolished. It can not be reformed.

2 posted on 12/26/2012 11:04:49 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

The first paragraph says it all. Yet freepers will call us kooks.


3 posted on 12/26/2012 11:07:59 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: demshateGod

What’s your plan and how are you going to go about it?!


4 posted on 12/26/2012 11:10:19 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: wintertime

you need an educated populace to maintain a republic, that is the why of public ed. However, the commies infiltrated and now it is re-education.


5 posted on 12/26/2012 11:13:25 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Revolting cat!

“What’s your plan and how are you going to go about it?!”

Simply take the federal and state governments out of it. Let the local districts have total control. The alternative is is the end of th U.S.


6 posted on 12/26/2012 11:16:02 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: wintertime

“Separation of School and State” —rings nicely.


7 posted on 12/26/2012 11:16:52 AM PST by gaijin
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To: wintertime

I got to the word always and quit. Whenever you get to those words in a “the moon is falling” article you know they are just bold faced lying.
Always and never are almost never true but are the words used by zealots who do not want to have a logical truthful, factual, discussion on a given subject. What they are trying to feed the readers is that, “this is over, this is decided, because I SAID SO.”

BS

The top producers from our schools right now are not from home schools but are Asians who attend our public schools.


8 posted on 12/26/2012 11:18:30 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: yldstrk
you need an educated populace to maintain a republic
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Indeed! I agree. That is why we must shut down the government indoctrination camps.

This abomination of government schooling was from the beginning ( mid1800s) a socialist-funded, single-payer, compulsory-use entitlement.

Nothing good can come from socialist, single-payer, and compulsory programs. In fact, it was my great-grandparents , my grandparents and my father's generations that made Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt possible. They were born in the 1860s, 1890s, and 1910s.

In just three generations of socialist schooling the direction of our nation was entirely changed for the socialist worst. And....We are heading rapidly toward tyranny.

9 posted on 12/26/2012 11:21:52 AM PST by wintertime
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To: oldenuff2no
but are Asians who attend our public schools.
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These kids are being afterschooled.

Where is the evidence that these ambitious Asians are getting their education in their government indoctrination camp? Show me the studies.

Where are the studies that separate out what is learned in their government indoctrination camp for that acquire OUTSIDE THE SCHOOL in home from the parents, cousins, aunts, uncles, friends and STUDY CLUBS?

I will make an “always” and “never” statement:

Without these studies it is impossible to know if government schools teach anything at all.

So?....Prove it. Prove that the schools are the reason for the success of Asians. Where are the studies? Or...Are you merely making assumptions due your own early childhood indoctrination?

10 posted on 12/26/2012 11:26:53 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Revolting cat!

What’s your plan and how are you going to go about it?!
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This is the same argument defenders of slavery used!

“What’s your plan to end slavery? How are you going to go about ending slavery”?

Answer: We do it because it is the right thing to do even if those who are freed from the government compulsion are worse off materially than before.

Yep! Even if children are WORSE off without compulsory, socialist, single-payer, and GODLESS indoctrination, we do it anyway because the human spirit cries out for freedom.


11 posted on 12/26/2012 11:31:17 AM PST by wintertime
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To: yldstrk
you need an educated populace to maintain a republic, that is the why of public ed
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Government schooling must be abolished because it is a freedom of conscience and First Amendment abomination. The human spirit demands it. We do regardless of the consequences.

To help you see this let’s rephrase your statement somewhat differently

” We need slavery to maintain our economy. That is the why of slavery.”.

Nothing justifies government compelled socialist-entitlement schooling, It must be abolished because it is fundamentally WRONG!

12 posted on 12/26/2012 11:36:32 AM PST by wintertime
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To: raybbr
Simply take the federal and state governments out of it. Let the local districts have total control. The alternative is is the end of th U.S.
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Do you think there should have been local slave districts?

13 posted on 12/26/2012 11:37:58 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Right. The Asian kids they are talking about go home and for the next three hours they work their butts off, being drilled in a way they the best private school kids are drilled.


14 posted on 12/26/2012 11:40:12 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wintertime

wintertime, I was talking about the origination of the concept of free education for all. The fact that it has been completely corrupted is a travesty. In no way should my comment be construed as a reason to maintain government ed. Even the colleges are completely corrupted. No one can think anymore, lying is A-OK.

If you go back to the test required to graduate from 8th grade back in the day when you only matriculated if you passed, you will see that most adults today would flunk it abysmally.


15 posted on 12/26/2012 11:40:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: wintertime
- and that includes the brave minority of public school teachers who have chosen to stand quixotically against the progressive avalanche
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If they have been employed more than 2 or 3 years, if they are not warning every parent they see to remove their kids, if they are not seen protesting the union mobs, then they are part of the problem. They are enablers of evil.

My decision: I shun these people. I will not have a government school employee for a friend and work to keep them out of my life as much as possible. They are too evil, too stupid, or too much of a well-meaning Useful Idiot to be a friend.

16 posted on 12/26/2012 11:44:02 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Do yourself a favour and look up the definition of “false anology” among logical fallacies.

And answer the question (which is what it was from the get go and nothing more, a question) : What’s your plan and how are you going to go about it?! Because so far you only run your mouth and accuse others of supporting GASP! slavery!


17 posted on 12/26/2012 11:45:45 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: wintertime

The irony is that one-room school houses in the 19th century, haphazardly financed and staffed, produced grammar school graduates—sometimes—with more learning than our high school graduates in general. Think of Matty in “True Grit.”


18 posted on 12/26/2012 11:46:20 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: wintertime

A lot of those folks are trying to buck the system as best they can. Many get out once they see what is happening, explaining why more than half do not stay beyond five years.


19 posted on 12/26/2012 11:49:09 AM PST by RobbyS (Christus rex.)
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To: yldstrk
The government schools haven't been corrupted. They were **always** corrupt from the beginning in the mid-1800s. Please think about this.

The foundation upon which compulsory government schools were built was **always**compulsory socialist-funding, single-payer, and compulsory-use. Nothing good can come from that.

Indeed, my great grandparents, grandparents, and father's generations made Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt possible. They were born in the 1860s, 1890s, and 1910s.

In just 3 generations!.... Just 3 generations of socialist schooling indoctrination and the voting mob gave us Franklin D. Roosevelt and socialist programs that have never be rolled back.

20 posted on 12/26/2012 11:50:25 AM PST by wintertime
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To: RobbyS
They are the “good” government teachers. The rest?.....Well....I don’t want them to be a friend. I shun them.
21 posted on 12/26/2012 11:51:55 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Revolting cat!

I don’t plan on doing anything. Except raise my kids myself. Which includes educating them.


22 posted on 12/26/2012 11:51:55 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: wintertime

Was the word “centralized” before public education left out on purpose?


23 posted on 12/26/2012 11:51:57 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: Revolting cat!

Just as slavery should have been shut down. We demand that government schools be shut down.

Period. End of discussion. Some things are that evil.


24 posted on 12/26/2012 11:53:56 AM PST by wintertime
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To: fella
Was the word “centralized” before public education left out on purpose?
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No!

Would localized control of slavery been OK?

Answer: NO!

25 posted on 12/26/2012 11:56:15 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
America's Founders viewed education as a primary means of preserving liberty, and wrote extensively about that goal and the means to achieve it in the community.

Once the so-called "public school" movement was under way, there were those who warned of potential dangers, and were either ignored or ostracized.

It is the same today. Those who speak out against the Dept. of Education and all of the other multitudinous bureaucracies that control the propagandizing of youth today in the name of "educating" them must be willing to be marginalized by the media and politicians.

Even as early as the Year 1886, such was the case. A man by the name of Zacharias Montgomery was denied an important post in the federal government for doing just that.

You will read some of Montgomery's words below. You may read or download his complete work entitled, "Poison Drops in the Federal Senate - The School Question from a Parental and Non-Sectarian Standpoint" HERE. His objections are to what he describes as an "anti-parental" system whose consequences to that time he documented. He provides statistics and facts from public records of that date to support his position.

To read his report and conclusions today leads one to realize this man's ability to see the consequences of what his fellow Americans were advocating in the area of education of youth.

With that said, those who love liberty must be willing to come forward to declare that it is better to be remembered for standing on and articulating enduring principles of right versus wrong, liberty versus tyranny, than to be praised by the mainstream media and so-called "progressives."

The words of Zacharias Montgomery in his 1886 Book entitled "Poison Drops in the United States Senate . . . ." are worth reading. Although his treatise dealt primarily with the public school question, the following remarks might be helpful to those who, today, are concerned by what passes for "public education."

Excerpts from his work:

"My countrymen, disguise the fact as we may, there is in this country to-day, and in both the political Parties, an element which is ripe for a centralized despotism. There are men and corporations of vast wealth, whose iron grasp spans this whole continent, and who find it more difficult and more expensive to corrupt thirty odd State Legislatures than one Federal Congress. It was said of Nero of old that he wished the Roman people had but one head, so that he might cut it off at a single blow. And so it is with those moneyed kings who would rule this country through bribery, fraud, and intimidation.

"It is easy to see how, with all the powers of government centered at Washington in one Federal head, they could at a single stroke put an end to American liberty.

"But they well understand that before striking this blow the minds of the people must be prepared to receive it. And what surer or safer preparation could possibly be made than is now being made, by indoctrinating the minds of the rising generation with the idea that ours is already a consolidated government ; that the States of the Union have no sovereignty which is not subordinate to the will and pleasure of the Federal head, and that our Constitution is the mere creature of custom, and may therefore be legally altered or abolished by custom.

"Such are a few of the pernicious and poisonous doctrines which ten millions of American children are today drinking in with the very definitions of the words they are compelled to study. And yet the man who dares to utter a word of warning of the approaching danger is stigmatized as an enemy to education and unfit to be men tioned as a candidate for the humblest office.

"Be it so. Viewing this great question as I do, not for all the offices in the gift of the American people would I shrink from an open and candid avowal of my sentiments. If I have learned anything from the reading of history, it is that the man who, in violation of great principles, toils for temporary fame, purchases for himself either total oblivion or eternal infamy, while he who temporarily goes down battling for right principles always deserves, and generally secures, the gratitude of succeeding ages, and will carry with him the sustaining solace of a clean conscience, more precious than all the offices and honors in the gift of man.

"History tells us that Aristides was voted into banishment because he was just. Yet who would not a thousand times rather today be Aristides than be numbered amongst the proudest of his persecutors.

"Socrates, too, in violation of every principle of justice, was con demned to a dungeon and to death. Yet what name is more honored in history than his? And which of his unjust judges would not gladly, hide himself in the utter darkness of oblivion from the with ering scorn and contempt of all mankind ?

"From the noble example of Aristides and of Socrates let American statesmen learn wisdom, and from the undying infamy of their cow ardly time-serving persecutors let political demagogues of today take warning."

So said Zacharias Montgomery in 1886.

26 posted on 12/26/2012 11:57:23 AM PST by loveliberty2 ( -)
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To: oldenuff2no

The term “top producers” can’t just be taken at face value. You might have to consider our culture as a whole and whether public education has played a role in its decline. That it is in decline is self-evident to most. That education has played a role should be self-evident. To the extent that is isn’t self-evident, speaks to the claim that public education is a government entitlement. Few people are willing to give up entitlements after generations of being on them.


27 posted on 12/26/2012 11:58:24 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: wintertime

I totally agree with you based on one sentence in Marx’s Communist Manifesto:”Free education for all children in public schools” Plank #10


28 posted on 12/26/2012 11:58:57 AM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: RobbyS
We were visiting friends in Texas and I happened to read an historical plaque outside a small elementary school out on the panhandle.

It was first organized and built by a handful of local ranchers who **volunteered** to built it and hire a teacher. In fact, the existing school, a lovely structure from the 1920s was built this way. In the beginning the school year was only a few weeks out of the year. ( I think 8?)

Ah! The problem is that these ranchers turned the ownership and management of this adorable little PRIVATE school over to the government. Big mistake on their part. They wrongly believed the expression, “I'm from the government. I'm here to help!”

29 posted on 12/26/2012 12:03:24 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

Well, one can prove that these kids do attend public school.

Can you *prove* that they are “afterschooled” (whatever that means. If you mean that the parents follow up to ensure that homework is done and lessons studied that is merely what ANYBODY who has a kid should do, that is not ‘afterschooling’).

so, proof?

World Nut Daily, embarrasing thinking conservatives as usual.


30 posted on 12/26/2012 12:13:16 PM PST by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: loveliberty2
Well....I am certainly ostracized and marginalized.

You should see the vile names I was called on yesterday's posts....And on Christmas Day, too! Unbelievable! These are from people who consider themselves to be “conservatives”.

The name-callers didn't see the humor in the following. :-)

” School or Prison” ( a 27 second youtube)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2972132/posts

Are US SCHOOLS more like PRISON? JUVENILE HALLS ( a youtube)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2972010/posts

School or Prison/ Play the New Game ( a youtube)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2972014/posts

31 posted on 12/26/2012 12:15:58 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime; 2Jedismom; 6amgelsmama; AAABEST; aberaussie; AccountantMom; Aggie Mama; agrace; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. Articles pinged to the Another Reason to Homeschool List will be given the keyword of ARTH. (If I remember. If I forget, please feel free to add it yourself)

The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.

32 posted on 12/26/2012 12:16:20 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: RedStateRocker
Translation:

No studies have ever been done that separates what is learned in the classroom from that acquired OUTSIDE OF SCHOOL due to the work of the parents, the child himself, study clubs or private or paid-tutors.

Until this is done is it impossible to know if government schools even teach anything at all.

Gee! Spending up to $30,000/year/ per kid to incarcerated them in a prison-like government school is a **LOT** of money to spend on an UNTESTED progressive idea.

33 posted on 12/26/2012 12:19:56 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

The dominating Leftwing faction of media is a greater threat in my opinion.


34 posted on 12/26/2012 12:23:17 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: demshateGod

I don’t plan on doing anything. Except raise my kids myself. Which includes educating them.
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I did and my children are doing just that, unfortunately we will facing down tyranny along with the rest of our fellow ( and not so aware) citizens.


35 posted on 12/26/2012 12:23:48 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

It’s the same thing with the NHS in Britain. No one ever thinks of getting rid of it, and every year reforms are put in place that do nothing more than exacerbate the problem, which leads to calls for more reform.


36 posted on 12/26/2012 12:25:59 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: wintertime

I think local communities should be able to have their own schools if they want it. Likening ALL forms of public schooling to slavery is projection.

Do think people should NOT be allowed to create a local public school system if they want to?


37 posted on 12/26/2012 12:34:08 PM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr
Do think people should NOT be allowed to create a local public school system if they want to?

No. . . People should not be allowed to band together to take other peoples money unless the purpose is to protect a natural right.

Do you think all the parents of 5-17 year olds should be able to take other people's so they can throw a Chuck-e-Cheese party every week?

38 posted on 12/26/2012 12:45:41 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: raybbr
Do think people should NOT be allowed to create a local public school system if they want to?

I like to think I have the right to own my own property as well as the fruit of my own labor. . . . but then again I'm a conservative.

39 posted on 12/26/2012 12:47:45 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: wintertime
Until the sane adults in America get a handle on the government schools (aka indoctrination centers), they will continue to churn out millions of new little socialists and they will ultimately "elect" our very own Hitler.

Hell, they probably already have.

In 1978, my wife and I came to know a young woman named Patty. She was a devoutly religious young mother who'd become more devout when her husband and father of her two small sons aged 2 and 6 informed her that he was leaving. In dire economic straits, I offered to let her stay in our former home in Chamblee -- which was not rented at the time – rent-free until she got back on her feet. She had been clandestinely home schooling the 6 year old for about 2 years using very well done Christian course materials from an organization in Texas the name of which escapes me. The lad had recently been tested and had placed at least a year ABOVE his chronological age. As required by the government school authorities at the time, she dutifully apprised the authorities of his scores.

For reasons which would become clear in a moment, Patty had been harassed by the DeKalb County school authorities for about 6 months and, by the time she moved into the Chamblee house, had been -- unbeknownst to us -- ORDERED to put the 6 year old into the nearest government elementary school or suffer the consequences. Because she wanted the boys to be educated Christians, there was no way she was going to do that and she told them so.

At approximately 2 am one morning, a loud knock on the door announced the arrival of the aforementioned "consequences." Dressed only in a nightgown, she was confronted by several burly police officers who thrust an arrest warrant in her face. With the now awakened 6 year old watching and the 2 year old wailing in the other room, she was handcuffed and led out the door to jail. She was tossed into a large cell with a couple of hookers and a junkie who spent much of the rest of that morning vomiting in the corner. The two young boys for whom the educational authorities professed such great concern were just left AT THE HOUSE -- ALONE! Patty was later told that the bureaucrats from Children Services who were SUPPOSED to accompany the cops were late and, in their haste to get this dangerous miscreant behind bars, the cops just missed the fact that the Children Services people were, well, missing. The CS folks showed up an hour later to find two terrified kids, one of whom had just seen his mother hauled off in cuffs.

Patty was ultimately brought to trial under the Georgia Truancy Statutes. Her pro-bono attorney tore the school authorities to shreds and hers has been called THE case that opened the floodgates to home schooling in Georgia. Once they had all the facts, the jury didn’t take long to acquit her. I’m proud to have played a small part in that.

At Patty’s trial, a previously overlooked aspect of the government schools was put into sharp focus for those paying attention: The Director of Instruction for DeKalb County testified that the then current 7 hour school day consisted of an average of approximately 3 hours or less of instruction. At that time, Patty was devoting 4 to 5 hours a day to direct instruction.

He also as much as admitted that the REAL reason they wanted ALL these kids in school was the $3,000.00 per kid per year they then got from the state and federal government. Empty seats = lost funds. As in most things, follow the money. Patty home schooled these two boys through high school.

And how did the boys turn out?

One is now a physician and the other a budding journalist.

But that now seems to be the norm for the growing legions of home schooled kids – which most likely explains why the NEA and the government school folks feel so threatened. I believe a home schooled child won the last National Spelling Bee.

Thomas Jefferson believed an EDUCATED PUBLIC to be the cornerstone of the system he and the other Founders TRIED to leave behind. He would NOT, I feel certain, be a big fan of the current government education system. If he returned today, he’d home school his children just as he did before.

40 posted on 12/26/2012 1:17:51 PM PST by Dick Bachert (An ARMED society is a POLITE society!)
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To: Revolting cat!
I haven't accused anyone of supporting slavery. This is **your** strawman. You own it.

However...

Definition of slavery from Websters:

Slavery:: submission to a dominating influence

Is compulsory attendance and compulsory funding of government indoctrination centers ( Oops! “schools”) under the threat of armed police and court action qualify as “submission to a dominating influence”?

I think that ....?..., “Yes it is! It is definitely a form of tyranny!” That is my conclusion.

41 posted on 12/26/2012 1:21:54 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Public education is government controlled means of production, the very definition of socialism.

Socialism can not be reformed, it can only be replaced by freedom.

That's all you need to know about government schools.

42 posted on 12/26/2012 1:24:22 PM PST by Jabba the Nutt (.Are they stupid, malicious or evil?)
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To: raybbr
Do think people should NOT be allowed to create a local public school system if they want to?
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Sure! Provided children are not compelled to attend ( by threat of police action) and citizens are not compelled ( by threat of police or court action) to pay taxes toward it.

For example: I think it would be completely acceptable for an HOA ( Homeowners association) to have have its own school(s). Citizens are completely free to buy or not buy a home in a community with an HOA.

Please remember that government schools can not be religiously, politically, or culturally neutral. No school can be. Another is government schools, just like all schools, must strictly control speech, press, assembly, exercise of religion and all indoctrinate the students in a non-neutral religious worldview.

Government should NOT be in the business of compulsory attendance and compulsory funded socialist-based school because to do so trashes the First Amendment Rights and freedom of conscience of its citizens. The most powerful voting mob gets to crush the human rights of the less politically powerful.

43 posted on 12/26/2012 1:30:13 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Jabba the Nutt

You get it.

Socialism is slavery to the voting mob.


44 posted on 12/26/2012 1:31:04 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Dick Bachert

Thomas Jefferson believed an EDUCATED PUBLIC to be the cornerstone of the system he and the other Founders TRIED to leave behind.
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An education is likely the last thing a child will get in a government school.


45 posted on 12/26/2012 1:33:11 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Dick Bachert
Until the sane adults in America get a handle on the government schools (aka indoctrination centers), they will continue to churn out millions of new little socialists and they will ultimately "elect" our very own Hitler. Hell, they probably already have.

In fact they did, and moreover they just reelected him.

46 posted on 12/26/2012 1:36:16 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham
In a few decades the **same** arguments used to defend government schools will be used to defend ObamanationCare.

Also...if the words “slave” and “slavery” are used to substitute for “school”, “child”, and “student”, the same arguments used to defend socialist-entitlement schooling were the arguments used to defend slavery. .....Hm?......Maybe that is because socialism is slavery with softer handcuffs.

By the way,....In one tiny and minuscule way slavery is better that socialism. At least a private individual was holding the whip. In socialism, ( government schooling **is** socialism) the bullets in the gun are on the hips of government police and the sting of punishment is from government sanctioned courts.

47 posted on 12/26/2012 1:41:44 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Gene Eric
The dominating Leftwing faction of media is a greater threat in my opinion.
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A dominating Leftwing media would be impossible in a nation of morally grounded, God-fearing, and educated citizens ( as Jefferson warned) .

A morally well-grounded, God-fearing, and education citizenry can not be produced in a socialist-funded, single-payer, and compulsory system of indoctrination centers. All it took was one to three generations of this indoctrination to give us Woodrow Wilson and Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Example:

Beginning of state ordered socialist-entitlement schooling: 1853
My great-grandparents born 1860s
My grandparents born 1890s
My parents born 1913

All of the generations above thought Franklin D. Roosevelt walked on water and that socialism was their redeemer and savior. That is was socialist school does to a free people in less than 3 generations.

48 posted on 12/26/2012 1:51:06 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
All of the generations above thought Franklin D. Roosevelt walked on water and that socialism was their redeemer and savior. That is was socialist school does to a free people in less than 3 generations.

Agreed. My elders, who pretty much all lived in rural Tennessee and who were fairly conservative on most things, thought FDR was one step below Jesus Himself due to TVA.

49 posted on 12/26/2012 2:00:41 PM PST by Marathoner (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: wintertime

Chicken, egg.

If the media was reporting the truth about schools, ...


50 posted on 12/26/2012 2:53:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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