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Body found in burned home of killer of 2 firemen
Associated Press ^ | 12/25/2012 | George M. Walsh

Posted on 12/25/2012 1:00:11 PM PST by JustaCowgirl

WEBSTER, N.Y. (AP) — Police have found human remains in the burned-out home of the Webster, N.Y., ex-con who killed two firefighters and believe the victim is the gunman's sister. Police Chief Gerald Pickering said Tuesday the remains were found in the charred house that 62-year-old William Spengler shared with his 67-year-old sister, Cheryl. A medical examiner will need to determine the identity. Police say Willliam Spengler armed himself with a revolver, shotgun and military-style rifle before he set his house afire to lure first responders into a pre-dawn death trap on Christmas Eve. Pickering says Spengler "was equipped to go to war."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: firefightersgunned; firemen; firemengunned; firemenshooter; murder; shooting; spengler; websternewyork; williamspengler
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To: G Larry
ya, it’s the gun hammer’s fault.....

There, that's fixed.

Regards,
GtG

21 posted on 12/25/2012 2:54:22 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Never try to get inside a mad man’s head and attempt to understand what you find there, for if you do understand what you find there, you’re just as crazy as he is.


22 posted on 12/25/2012 2:58:44 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: txrangerette
"I know, except it “says” the fire was meant to lure firefighters...although how can they know that?"

Read in other articles that he'd left a 3-page typewritten note saying that he wanted to burn down the neighborhood, and "do what he likes doing best...killing people."

23 posted on 12/25/2012 3:05:02 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Uh-oh, the evil “military-style rifle” was involved. Was it identified? Probably a single-shot .22.


24 posted on 12/25/2012 3:09:17 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Call Cuomo - NYS should immediately outlaw felons and the mentally ill from possessing firearms.

This must never be allowed to happen again.


25 posted on 12/25/2012 3:12:38 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: ought-six

According to Fox News, the killer was armed with a .38-caliber revolver, a 12-gauge shotgun, and a .223-caliber Bushmaster rifle. The Bushmaster is the same make and caliber semiautomatic rifle as the one used in the Newtown school massacre.

If you listen to the radio transmissions from the scene, it is clear that the guy used the rifle to shoot at the first responders as soon as they arrived, from behind a berm across the street from the fire, so he set them up in a trap.


26 posted on 12/25/2012 3:26:49 PM PST by drjimmy
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To: drjimmy

I don’t watch Fox News, or any alphabet news station. I based my comment on the article posted, and that article did not identify the rifle. If it was a Bushmaster .223, then it is a very common rifle, and is not in reality an assault rifle (in newspeak, though, it is.).


27 posted on 12/25/2012 3:34:47 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: drjimmy

I don’t watch Fox News, or any alphabet news station. I based my comment on the article posted, and that article did not identify the rifle. If it was a Bushmaster .223, then it is a very common rifle, and is not in reality an assault rifle (in newspeak, though, it is.).


28 posted on 12/25/2012 3:34:58 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: G Larry

“Murdered his 92 yr old grandmother with a hammer, and some idiot judge lets him out after only 17 years.”

That is nothing my cousin murder was released after his bail was reduced from 1 Million to $250,000.00. EVEN!!! when he bludgeoned an elderly couple who happens to be Berkeley Professors almost to death. Leaving the woman unable to speak and her husband. There place had blood everywhere yet this stupid woman judge I guess didnt think that was enough so she stupidly reduce his bail only to get out by using his house & boat as collatral and murder my cousin by cutting him up.


29 posted on 12/25/2012 3:38:13 PM PST by Patriot Babe
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To: Lazamataz

Ping


30 posted on 12/25/2012 3:39:29 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: JustaCowgirl

Not a coverup. This was THE crime. Police have a 3 page letter the POS left stating his intent to burn down the neighborhood and kill as many people as he could.

This perp was a total scumbag who should have been hanged back when he killed his grandmother with a hammer.


31 posted on 12/25/2012 3:47:56 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: ought-six
"Uh-oh, the evil “military-style rifle” was involved. Was it identified? Probably a single-shot .22."

It was a Bushmaster. I'll give the police and press credit here. In this article they avoided reporting this as a "deadly, highpowered, extra-triple high capacity automatic assault rifle," which is the verbiage typically used. I'm ok with referring to a Bushmaster as a "military style rifle"; That's essentially what it is. A Springield, a 98 Mauser, a Garand, or M-1 Carbine could also be characterized as "military style rifles."

From what I've heard, the chief of police's first impulse was to blame the killer, stating he should never have been released, and (to my knowledge) didn't blame the rifle. either the chief and press involved here have their heads screwed on right, or we're making some progress.

32 posted on 12/25/2012 3:57:22 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

A Bushmaster is indeed a “military-style” rifle in appearance, as it is a clone of the M16. In functionality, it is not.

I, also, commend the police chief if he blamed the shooter and not the weapon, and applaud him for not calling the Bushmaster an assault rifle. We’ll see if he changes his narrative after the mayor and city council have a talk with him.


33 posted on 12/25/2012 4:08:21 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: ought-six

“. We’ll see if he changes his narrative after the mayor and city council have a talk with him.”

Won’t happen. Webster is a suburban town and doesn’t have a mayor or city council. Plus it is quite conservative or at least conservative leaning.

Add to that the fact that the head of the next agency involved is the Monroe County Sheriff Pat O’Flynn who would be welcome at any freeper’s table. He answers to the County manager Maggie Brooks who is also pro 2nd amendment.

We are dealing with good people on this one and you are NOT going to hear them blaming guns.


34 posted on 12/25/2012 4:22:16 PM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: txrangerette

This man was found guilty of killing his Grandmother with a hammer. If he had been executed that wouls have been the end of it.

There is no record of any executed killer ever killing again.

Stop farting around with these people.
There is no such thing as being too stupid or too insane to be executed, That’s horse hockey.

If they are too sick to be executed-—carry them to the table and git er done.

600 people in California sitting on death row waiting to get turned loose so they can kill again. Why? Because some governor hasn’t the balls to set up the schedule./


35 posted on 12/25/2012 4:59:14 PM PST by Venturer
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To: bgill
Now he’ll have his name in all the papers.

yea, but too bad for him, he won't be able to read them. The papers don't make deliveries to Hell.

36 posted on 12/25/2012 5:11:48 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

The news said a three page type written note. I doubt seriously this guy could type and he doesn’t look like the type of guy that would write a three page suicide note. I personally don’t believe he did.


37 posted on 12/25/2012 5:25:17 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: Nik Naym

How come the letter did not burn up but almost the whole block was burned?


38 posted on 12/25/2012 5:33:28 PM PST by funfan
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To: JustaCowgirl

Executed murders generally, without known exceptions that I know of, are not repeat offenders. Had they done the right thing in the first place the whole conversation would be moot.


39 posted on 12/25/2012 6:37:44 PM PST by RetiredTexasVet (Save the nation, have your family's progressives spayed or neutered.)
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To: txrangerette

Why was he let out of prison after serving only 17 years?!! Why?!


40 posted on 12/26/2012 6:28:44 AM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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