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Disarmament plan: First label everyone with a mental disorder, then use that to take their guns
Natural News ^ | 12/22/2012 | Jon Rappaport

Posted on 12/24/2012 5:37:11 AM PST by IbJensen

NaturalNews) When everybody is diagnosed with a mental disorder, gun permits will be a thing of the past

Take that seriously.

At a presidential debate, Obama was asked about achieving gun control. He said, "Enforce the laws we've already got. Make sure we are keeping the guns out of the hands of criminals...[and] those who are mentally ill."

http://psychcentral.com

In case you've been sleeping in a cave for the past few years, the US government is doing everything it can to create more categories of crimes, and the psychiatrists are expanding the list of (fictional but enforceable) mental disorders, as they also relentlessly promote "more diagnosis and treatment."

Some estimates state 20-25% of the US population is suffering from a mental disorder. These are absurd and cooked figures, for several reasons, but it doesn't matter. What matters is that huge numbers of people can be arbitrarily labeled as such.

So legally owning or not owning a gun may soon hinge on a broader definition of "mentally ill," changed to "having been diagnosed with a mental disorder," because that is one back-door way to execute a massive gun ban.

Simply put: diagnose everybody and his brother with a mental disorder, and then assert that any such diagnosis bars a person from obtaining a gun permit.

Psychiatry, in addition to destroying lives through toxic drugs, becomes a political instrument for gun control.

In the July editions of both Psychology Today and The Psychiatric Times, the same editorial, written by Dr. Allen Frances, America's most influential psychiatrist, spelled out a clear position:

"Guns do kill people and the number of people depends on the number of guns and the number of rounds they can fire in a given period of time."

Of course, no mention is made of the psychiatric drugs that induce violence and murder.

Dr. Frances sums up his unequivocal position: "We really have only two choices...accept mass murder as part of the American way of life, or...get in line with rest of the civilized world and adopt sane gun control policies."

I thought I would explore the issue of mental illness from a slightly different perspective, however: WHY ARE FANATICAL GUN GRABBERS PSYCHOTIC?

What is the nature of THEIR mental disorder?

In the wake of the Newtown massacre, the gun-control forces are on the march. Ban this, ban that, go after the Doomsday preppers and bitter clingers.

The gun grabbers don't respond to the obvious charge that, when honest people have weapons for self-defense, they can, in fact, defend themselves and stave off crime, harm, and death.

This point doesn't make a dent.

Neither does arguing Second Amendment. Neither does painting a picture of a society in which the only people who have guns are the government and criminals. The gun grabbers seem to like that picture. At least theoretically.

Here are a few truths you can take to the bank:

If the media in this country (which are notoriously anti-gun) made a big deal out of every case in which an armed citizen successfully defended his home against a violent intruder, and made every such person a hero, we would have a different mood in America. Everybody would see the sense in gun ownership.

In the case of the Newtown killings, the media would be saying, "Now here is a tragic case in which no one in the school was carrying a weapon." And everybody would see the sense and the truth of that.

So really, it's matter of what the media cover and how they cover it, and what they ignore. That's all it is. It isn't anything else. In other words, they're running a psyop.

Point two: the government doesn't want private citizens to own and carry guns because that would diminish the role of government.

The people in charge hate it when private citizens take over a self-appointed government function. It's insulting. It's people saying to the government, "We don't need you." It's proof that government acts in many, many ways that are intrusive and preemptive.

"No need to worry, officer, I caught the thief as he was leaving the liquor store. I pulled my weapon and put him down on the ground and cuffed him. He's in the back of my car."

No, no, no. no. The government must be in charge of everything that pertains to showing or using a gun. No outsiders allowed.

"Yes, Mrs. Smith, I'm sorry we're late, and I'm sorry you husband was beaten to a pulp by that intruder, but we have other crimes to process. We have to man speed-traps. It's better that your husband didn't have a gun, let me assure you. Why? It just is. Now, let me call an ambulance. I hope they get him to the hospital in time."

Imagine what the response would be if you asked an IRS executive what he thought about a flat consumer tax on bought goods that would replace the whole IRS code.

We're talking about government jobs here. Jobs and money and pensions.

Private citizens must not do what the government does.

In case you hadn't noticed, this spills over into the health field. The FDA certifies, as safe and effective, every (poisonous) medical drug before it can be prescribed for public use.

The FDA therefore controls drug treatment.

If somebody comes along and cooks up, in his kitchen, an herbal brew that knocks out the flu like a ridiculous little sissy in two hours, that's a threat. Suddenly, a private citizen is miles ahead of the FDA (and the drug companies). No, no, no.

If home schoolers educate their kids better than government-run schools do, that's another sore point. That's bad. It expose the government factories that manufacture illiterate children.

Third point: if enough citizens were well-armed, it would take a full-scale federal invasion to overcome them in case of, oh, secession from the federalized United States.

The feds, of course, would win in the long run, if they killed enough people, but the publicity would be devastating to the government. Think Waco multiplied by a thousand or a million.

And in the process, word would get out about these well-armed private citizens' grievances against the central government. The grievances would make sense to a lot of people watching the carnage unfold. Can't have that. No, no, no.

Fourth point: A lot of people in this country grow up thinking they have to take care of other people. That's really all they know how to do. This goes far beyond any understandable humane impulse.

This is meddling. It's moving in on other people's private business. The meddlers turn out to be vicious little scum. Well, where else are they going to be able to exercise these cheap impulses, other than in government jobs?

The corollary to this is: "I'm the hero. I protect you. I...you what? You protected yourself? No, you're not allowed to do that, because then I can't be a hero. You're supposed to be the helpless citizen on my watch. If I can leap tall buildings, you have to be grounded. Otherwise, my life is in vain."

Fifth point: Elites want to continue to own America. They want to have sway over the land and resources and people and money. Their minions and agents are the official people with weapons. That's the way it works. It has to be a one-sided game. If millions and millions and millions of private citizens owned guns and knew how to use them, the tin gods wouldn't be able to sleep well at night.

Sixth point: So-called liberals hate people who own guns. For them, guns are symbols of everything else they hate. Religion, land ownership, property rights, fences, and boundaries. Unless, of course, those fences define the liberals' land.

Corollary: Many conservatives hate people who own guns, too, when they perceive those people are ready to decentralize power away from an overarching corporate-government control- nexus.

These are all elements of a true psychosis. It needs to be treated.

Short of mandatory sedatives, or a sudden attack on a lonely street at night by armed thugs, I recommend mandatory gun ownership for every non-felon adult in the US. This would solve the problem expeditiously.

I especially want to see all members of Congress packing heat in their chambers. If, once in a while, there is a shooting, well, we can catch it on C-Span. It won't be lost to history.

I also want to see Chris Matthews in his MSNBC studio with a .45 strapped to his leg, the one that tingles.

There is one caveat to my proposal. In order to create a fully armed population, that population must be responsible, which is to say they must understand inviolable private property rights. They don't have to own property, but they have to know that such a thing as private property exists. Why? Because property is one of the things an armed citizen has a right to defend.

Unfortunately, we're losing the concept of private property like water leaking out of battered rowboat. It's part of government's plan, because government wants to own everything that isn't already nailed down by its partner mega-corporations.

And government's thinking goes this way: "Since we own everything, our cops defend it with guns; there is no reason for private armed citizens to defend it; it isn't theirs."

Meanwhile, I have to get going. I just got a message that three armed women teachers shot a guy named Adam Lanza in a classroom. I'm heading over to check it out.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: evilobamaregime; guncontrol; gungrabbers; lapierrespeech; larryprattspeech; liar; mentaldisorders; nra; nravpspeech; sandyhookgundefense; secondamendment; waynelapierre
"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of. almost every other nation, the existence of subordinate governments, to which. the people are attached and by which the militia officers are appointed, forms a. barrier against the enterprises of ambition, more insurmountable than any which. a simple government of any form can admit of." --James Madison, Federalist No. 46, 1788
1 posted on 12/24/2012 5:37:21 AM PST by IbJensen
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To: IbJensen
"...subordinate governments..."

Even the RINOs believe in a diskdtatorial rule - Br0nc0 being an exemplar.

2 posted on 12/24/2012 5:42:17 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: IbJensen

It is all about control and the government orchestrating that control of citizens.


3 posted on 12/24/2012 5:42:28 AM PST by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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To: IbJensen
"...subordinate governments..."

Even the RINOs believe in a dicktatorial rule - Br0nc0 being an exemplar.

4 posted on 12/24/2012 5:42:54 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: IbJensen

From much I have seen, psychology and psychiatry are both mental disorders in which the sickest of the sick project their own insanity onto their ‘patients’ and the world around them.


5 posted on 12/24/2012 5:44:29 AM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: IbJensen

>>Fifth point: Elites want to continue to own America. They want to have sway over the land and resources and people and money. Their minions and agents are the official people with weapons. That’s the way it works. It has to be a one-sided game. If millions and millions and millions of private citizens owned guns and knew how to use them, the tin gods wouldn’t be able to sleep well at night.

This is the key. The Elites of both parties want to control everything, including YOU. When they see a worker buying a gallon of gas, they think, “He’s using MY money to buy MY gas. Why is he allowed to waste resources that I might need?” Global warming, gun control, socialism, media are all just tools to control the herd. They see themselves as nobility, and in some cases, as demi-gods to be worshipped.


6 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:11 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: IbJensen

It’s not just the gun shop files that will be raided but doctors’ records as well. Remember the last time you were in to see the doctor for a headache and he asked if you own guns? Doesn’t matter what answer you gave, you don’t know what he wrote down and if you have headaches you certainly don’t need to be anywhere around a gun.


7 posted on 12/24/2012 5:47:16 AM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: IbJensen

The Socialist Left stands for using coercion to force everyone submit to agree with their set of values. Along these lines, doesn’t putting the government in charge of medical care give government the power to make its own medical definitions for things like mental health and mental illness? Therefore, it’s easy to see the subsequent step(s) implementing communist-type mental illness punishment and confinement for anyone disagreeing with these burned-out hippie and cultural tyrants.


8 posted on 12/24/2012 5:48:01 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: IbJensen

That’s why they call us gun nuts I guess. No sane person has need of semi auto rifles in their opinions. Call me crazy but I don’t trust leftist socialist governments, especially when they start going after firearms.


9 posted on 12/24/2012 5:48:39 AM PST by RC one (From My Cold Dead Hands.)
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To: IbJensen

Long story short: tyrants deem personal liberty dysfunctional.


10 posted on 12/24/2012 5:50:34 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: RC one
You're probably right...no sane person would criticize nobama or his minions, I guess. “Modern” times.
11 posted on 12/24/2012 5:52:42 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: IbJensen

The Socialist Left stands for using coercion to force agreement with their set of values. Along these lines, doesn’t putting the government in charge of medical care give government the power to make its own medical definitions for things like mental health and mental illness? Therefore, it’s easy to see the subsequent step(s) implementing communist-type mental illness punishment and confinement for anyone disagreeing with these burned-out hippie and cultural tyrants.


12 posted on 12/24/2012 5:53:09 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: IbJensen

Gun ownership can be limited to qualified individuals.
1. Age requirement. That is a no-brainer. Concealed carry especially should have a minimum age, perhaps 25 (the age at which the male brain is mostly mature).
This does not prevent a teenager from hunting with a parent or other responsible adult.
2. Qualification. A safety course, and a practical course, somewhat similar to that required for police. No problem for most serious gun enthusiasts.
3. No permits for felons. By far the most reliable way of predicting behavior is by past record.
4. No permits for foreigners, except those from countries who will permit our own citizens. This means only, essentially, Canada. Not México.
5. No serious mental disease. Schizophrenia should be an absolute disqualification: it is dangerous, and incurable. Although it is treatable, patients frequently skip their medications.
6. Permitting should be done by the states. This is a 10th Amendment thing.
7. Guns must be under the control of the permittee at all times. That means a kid should not have free access to his parent’s guns, as in the CT case, or Columbine.


13 posted on 12/24/2012 5:56:53 AM PST by docbnj
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To: IbJensen
"Some estimates state 20-25% of the US population is suffering from a mental disorder."

...YEAH, AND THEY ALL VOTED FOR OBAMA.

14 posted on 12/24/2012 6:00:09 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: docbnj

No serious mental disease. Schizophrenia should be an absolute disqualification: it is dangerous, and incurable. Although it is treatable, patients frequently skip their medications......UMMMM... I disagree. Psychiatrists, psychologists, etc., etc. are WELL known to use their political leanings to erase anyone who disagrees with them. When I came back from VN, with eight other guys we were taken straight off the plane and put in Andrews AFB psyche unit. We had all put in three tours, so we must be nuts, Right? We talked to a Jewish Dr., sloppy, not military, proudly anti-war, and took our weapons (and any hope of ever going back or getting our weapons back) off us and said he didn’t care about our future in the service. I got out and the other guys were RIFD’ed because they were unstable. The psyche area is NOT scientific nor should it be considered reliable or specific.


15 posted on 12/24/2012 6:08:13 AM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: IbJensen

The American Psychiatric Association normalized homosexuality years ago- because they are another arm of the far left. They are pushing gun control now- for the same reason.


16 posted on 12/24/2012 6:13:33 AM PST by GenXteacher (You have chosen dishonor to avoid war; you shall have war also.)
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To: IbJensen

There’s a very simple way to thwart this plan. If you ever get sent for a “mental health evaluation” by the state, just tell them that you are a proud homosexual and you feel very offended that they are persecuting you for the way you were born. They can’t start diagnosing the queers as mentally ill, since that is a no-no. Turn the inconsistencies of liberalism against itself.


17 posted on 12/24/2012 6:15:54 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: IbJensen

Hypothetically, this makes perfect sense. Then when all the law abiding gun owners are stripped of that right, further resistance can be treated as a mental disorder. Those resisting the peace and restraint of the benevolent government, can be humanely disappeared, and placed in rehabilitation facilities...

Wait, didn’t they do that in the old USSR?


18 posted on 12/24/2012 6:18:41 AM PST by petro45acp ( Merry Christmas !! Adeste Fidele!)
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To: Safetgiver

Not the case with schizophrenia. It has definite symptoms, as well as chemical signatures (in acute phases).
Schizophrenics have high rates of alcoholism, nicotine addiction, illegal drug use, and homelessness. They are often withdrawn and anti-social, and seldom can hold a job. A very large proportion of homeless people are actually schizophrenic.
They are completely unsuitable to receive gun permits.


19 posted on 12/24/2012 6:21:44 AM PST by docbnj
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To: IbJensen
Psychiatrists: Psych Meds 'Cause' Violence, Lanza Record Awaited

"Psychiatrists have come forward to assert that certain psychiatric medications, such as those known as SSRIs, are almost certainly the chemical cause of a large number of instances of random violence and suicide in which SSRIs have been present.

[Includes list of recent mass murderers and the mood altering medications they were on. The public schools pass these things out like candy - especially to overly active little boys (ADD)]

20 posted on 12/24/2012 6:30:45 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: IbJensen

There is no doubt at all that the left wants to seize guns from the hands of the honest, law-abiding citizens, and deliberately leave them in the hands of the “downtrodden underclass oppressed poor” so they can waltz right in and take what they want.


21 posted on 12/24/2012 6:31:36 AM PST by I want the USA back (You know I'm right.)
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To: docbnj

Another reasonable cause for disqualification for a gun permit is alcoholism. This is more difficult to assess, because some alcoholics mange (through AA or some other program) to stay clean for long periods of time, or forever. Most, however, rate very unreliable. This might not be dangerous, except that a certain proportion of people become irrationally aggressive when intoxicated.

Most states which issue permits would probably deny them to chronic alcoholics. A drunk-driving record would probably be a good indication that an individual should not get a permit.

Chronic use of illegal drugs should also be a disqualification. This is now a problem, because of the acceptance in many places of the fraud of “medicinal marijuana.”


22 posted on 12/24/2012 6:36:05 AM PST by docbnj
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To: GenXteacher
The American Psychiatric Association normalized homosexuality years ago- because they are another arm of the far left.

Conference aims to normalize pedophilia

"If a small group of psychiatrists and other mental health professionals have their way at a conference this week, pedophiles themselves could play a role in removing pedophilia from the American Psychiatric Association’s bible of mental illnesses — the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), set to undergo a significant revision by 2013. Critics warn that their success could lead to the decriminalization of pedophilia.
The August 17 Baltimore conference is sponsored by B4U-ACT, a group of pro-pedophile mental health professionals and sympathetic activists. According to the conference brochure, the event will examine “ways in which minor-attracted persons [pedophiles] can be involved in the DSM 5 revision process” and how the popular perceptions of pedophiles can be reframed to encourage tolerance."

23 posted on 12/24/2012 6:39:04 AM PST by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: IbJensen

Not new. This is a product of the “Frankfurt School” which subsumed a bunch of disciplines in the US, including psychiatry. Declaring opposition to Communist goals a form of mental illness is standard procedure.


24 posted on 12/24/2012 6:49:30 AM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: Little Ray; IbJensen
Communist goal 20.Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

Communist goal 32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture--education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Finally Communist Goals 38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].

39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

25 posted on 12/24/2012 6:54:48 AM PST by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.-Sarah Palin)
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sfl


26 posted on 12/24/2012 7:02:08 AM PST by phockthis (http://www.supremelaw.org/fedzone11/index.htm ...)
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To: bgill

“It’s not just the gun shop files that will be raided but doctors’ records as well.”

Obamacare takes care of the “doctor record” thingee with the creation of a “National Bureau of All Citizen’s Medical Records Office of Overreach and Complete Control”.

Want to buy a gun at your local gun store? The NCIC check will be tied to your medical records held by the above mentioned office. In just a few minutes, the gun store clerk will know that you have previously been found to be mentally deficient...thereby resulting in a refusal to sell you a gun.

One thing most folks will not know? Your voting record will also be part of the NCIC check. Didn’t vote for the Kenyan (or other Dimwitocrat du jour)...automatic “mental defective” diagnosis.

Might be time to take some gunsmithing courses...learn how to roll-your-own.


27 posted on 12/24/2012 7:13:29 AM PST by moovova
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To: RC one; IbJensen
Call me crazy but I don’t trust leftist socialist governments, especially when they start going after firearms.

Someone here on FR said this (and I paraphrase).... Someone trying to take away the Second Amendment is THE justification for having the Second Amendment.

28 posted on 12/24/2012 7:46:33 AM PST by UCANSEE2 ( If you think I'm crazy, just wait until you talk to my invisible friend.)
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To: IbJensen
Simply put: diagnose everybody and his brother with a mental disorder, and then assert that any such diagnosis bars a person from obtaining a gun permit.

It's already been done to "felons". There are all sorts of felonies that are non violent, having nothing whatsoever to do with guns, yet felons (all) are barred from owning guns.

If you are 50 years old and you had a felony shop lifting charge on your record from when you were 18 years old, you may not own a gun. Same with embezzlement and a host of other non violent crimes

Part of the punishment you receive should not be a life time of giving up your God given right to protect your self and family.

29 posted on 12/24/2012 8:00:52 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: docbnj

What other God given rights would you deny forever, convicted non violent felons who have served their time?

I just scanned your list, none of the one’s I saw are constitutional, too many to go into. Just take the first one you listed and think about it a little and then go out and find a 20 year old vet and thank him/her for defending your freedom.

It appears that you may not like gun grabbers as long as you get to make the rules for others and define “gun grabbers” on your own terms.


30 posted on 12/24/2012 8:08:45 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: docbnj
I just scanned your list, none of the one’s I saw are constitutional

Meant to type unconstitutional.

31 posted on 12/24/2012 8:11:25 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Safetgiver; docbnj
When I came back from VN

Were you under 25 years old when you came back? I was. "docbnj" rules would deny you the God given right to carry and defend yourself and family.

Go defend your country in some God forsaken jungle but not in your home country defending yourself.

I'm a 67 years old vet, maybe to old to carry according to liberal thinking?

32 posted on 12/24/2012 8:18:21 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: IbJensen
I think this ties right in with your other thread:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2971855/posts

If they manage to legislate both gun ownership and conservative Christianity as being commitable psychological pathologies, then it's possible you may see the mental institutions reopened...not for the mass murderers, but for us.

"Welcome to the Sunny Acres Convalescent Facility...now please take your psychotropic meds so the nice nurse won't have to shoot you." /s


33 posted on 12/24/2012 8:22:05 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: docbnj
Meant to type unconstitutional.

I'll get it right yet. None is Constitutional.

Maybe I am addled and should be denied my God given rights? Or maybe I haven't had enough coffee yet.

34 posted on 12/24/2012 8:24:54 AM PST by Graybeard58 ("Civil rights” leader and MSNB-Hee Haw host Al Sharpton - Larry Elder)
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To: Graybeard58; All
Disarmament plan: First label everyone with a mental disorder
(or some-other law), then use that to take their guns
Isn't that what Ayn Rand; posited in Alas Shrugged?....
if I had the "resources / mental discipline"; I'd go "GALT", too.
I'm re-re-rereading it "very dog-eared copy" now.
"An armed populace; Is a peaceful populace."

or words to that effect....

35 posted on 12/24/2012 8:26:13 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Who'll take tomorrow,spend it all today;who can take your income & tax it all away..0Bama man can :-)
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To: Graybeard58

I was 22. Out at 24 after 5.


36 posted on 12/24/2012 8:15:44 PM PST by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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