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BREAKING People (firefighters) Shot at Scene of Webster (NY) Fire
WHAM13 ^ | 12/24/12 | WHAM13

Posted on 12/24/2012 5:17:08 AM PST by Revelation 911

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To: Michigan Bowhunter
Sounds like somebody wants their home to burn either because they dont want something inside it found or somebody just has a thing against first responders.

Or has decided the home is worth less than the insurance.

51 posted on 12/24/2012 6:53:43 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Revelation 911

From the live TV feed on that link

Firefighters: 2 wounded - 2 dead


52 posted on 12/24/2012 6:59:23 AM PST by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: Revelation 911

report coming in from TV feed is 2 firefighters killed and 2 firefighters wounded. At 9:50AM EST


53 posted on 12/24/2012 7:00:49 AM PST by Calamari (Pass enough laws and everyone is guilty of something.)
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To: TruthBeforeAll
NRA technical expert Julian Hatcher and his team conducted numerous tests. Page 145 of "The NRA Fact Book" states:

“When small arms ammunition is burned, cartridge cases may burst open and bits of brass may fly about, but not with any great velocity, and usually not with force enough to be dangerous to life. The bullets generally have even less velocity than the brass cartridge cases, and it is necessary for the powder to be rather strongly confined to develop any velocity in a bullet. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufactures’ Institute (SAMMI) reported a demonstration made by taking a large quantity of metallic cartridges and shotgun shells and burning them in a fire of oil soaked wood. The cartridges and shells exploded from time to time, but there was no general explosion of throwing off of bullets or shot to any distance. … The test showed that small arms ammunition when subjected to fire will not explode simultaneously but piece by piece, and then the material of which the cartridge and shells are composed will usually not fly more than a few feet.”

Subsequently, NRA staff conducted similar tests and surrounded the fire with cardboard. They found that neither the cases nor the bullets that flew any distance had enough energy to penetrate the cardboard.

54 posted on 12/24/2012 7:02:57 AM PST by ASA Vet (There are 10 kinds of people in the world. Those who understand binary, and those who don't.)
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To: Kartographer

I think you are on to something there Kart. I read in the paper and hear on the radio about those rampaging SUV’s killing someone. I think they need to be registered and have governors put on the engines so they can’t go more than 5 MPH.


55 posted on 12/24/2012 7:16:00 AM PST by Flint
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To: SumProVita

“What is wrong with people?
_________________

Sin.”

Simple, true and straight-forward answer....We are definitely in or working into the last days....”And the whole face of the earth was filled with violence, and it repenteth The Lord that He had created man”....History repeading itself....


56 posted on 12/24/2012 7:20:57 AM PST by 3722535r
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To: popdonnelly
Think about where you will hide your guns.

I'm not hiding jack sh!t. IF they want to confiscate they better prepare to die. I've drawn my line in the sand with this tyrannical bunch of treasonous traitors. You want war, BRING IT!

57 posted on 12/24/2012 7:23:49 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Venturer
The shootings in Newtown have apparentally set off a host of copy-cat killers.Crazies.

The Media doesn't help, magnifying the situation and lecturing us about the evil of law abiding gun owners.

Meanwhile, nary a word about the evil of the killer, their medical conditions and the gas-on-fire drugs they take that lowers their inhibitions and increases their delusions.

58 posted on 12/24/2012 7:32:22 AM PST by FreeReign
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To: MissMagnolia
... securing the scene is going to be really, really difficult.

Isn't this why we now have domestic drones? A Hellfire distributes a whole lot of "peace and good-will" in the immediate aftermath of its deployment.

59 posted on 12/24/2012 7:33:08 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: SumProVita

>>What is wrong with people?

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Sin.<<

Agree.


60 posted on 12/24/2012 7:45:42 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: ASA Vet

Don't forget these.

Banana Clip

61 posted on 12/24/2012 7:52:44 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Lawdoc

It’s called Satan. Believe it or not. All these killings are Satan worship people. The Bible clearly tells of this stuff in the end times. Clear as a bell.


62 posted on 12/24/2012 7:52:53 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: popdonnelly

“Take our guns away so that nuts and criminals have a clear shot.

Think about where you will hide your guns”.

It ain’t the nuts and criminals I’m worried about. They only want to steal your guns not ban them.

Consider how history may have been changed should the Jews of Germany and Europe in the 1930’s refused to give up their firearms, and vowed to “take care of” those sent to do the dirty work of bureaucrats.

If those who own firearms, reach a position where it is necessary to hide them, to keep them safe, then the owner is not safe and the action will indicate all is lost.

Difficult as it may be, the decision to protect firearms from illegal and unconstitutional confiscation must be a part of firearms training. It must be part of you, it cannot rationally be made as those arrive at your door to take your firearms from you.

It must also be widely known by any and all that any efforts by anyone in government do be involved in any confiscation scheme, will be met by deadly force. So spread the word it ain’t a secret. If you are looking for a ticket to oblivion, willingly give up your guns to anyone other than the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.


63 posted on 12/24/2012 7:58:13 AM PST by wita
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To: Jim Robinson

Uh oh, looks like you got site problems.......


64 posted on 12/24/2012 7:59:34 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (Jab her with a harpoon.....)
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To: Revelation 911

I heard 2 dead, 2 wounded and gunman killed himself. I’m in Buffalo. Fires have been burning for 3 hours because of this senseless shooting?


65 posted on 12/24/2012 7:59:55 AM PST by The Mayor ("If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat" — Ronald Reagan)
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To: Revelation 911

FWIW, this tactic was used more than once during the riots of the late 60s.

Start a fire, call the FD and then attack the firefighters when they arrived. Intended to terrorize and stoke mass hysteria, it wasn’t that successful back then but, of course, the populace wasn’t MEGA dumbed down then either.


66 posted on 12/24/2012 8:01:09 AM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: SumProVita

What is wrong with people?

_________________

Sin.

Well, there is a cure for that.


67 posted on 12/24/2012 8:16:21 AM PST by ruesrose (The Anchor Holds)
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To: Revelation 911

if Obama had sons that were arsonists/firemen shooters...they would look like them....


68 posted on 12/24/2012 8:17:33 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Sacajaweau

are from roch? - theres Marges tavern - mellow place and a couple other small joints…Olaughlins maybe Rabs woodshed further west of there by Charlotte - Im westside myself


69 posted on 12/24/2012 8:18:47 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Lazamataz

didnt know you were from here - banned - but flat tops and pre bans are all around - NYS adopted the 94 ban as their own - never expired


70 posted on 12/24/2012 8:21:04 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: oh8eleven

you are correct - my bad - open in spring for boats -


71 posted on 12/24/2012 8:24:20 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Revelation 911

Amish, no doubt.


72 posted on 12/24/2012 8:39:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved, or not at all)
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To: Revelation 911

https://twitter.com/News_8/status/283232190387601409/photo/1


73 posted on 12/24/2012 8:40:29 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Revelation 911
Marge's is on the west side of the outlet. There are two saloons on the east side and they're pretty packed all the time.

My bro and I fished there when we were kids. We biked from the City of Rochester.

74 posted on 12/24/2012 8:42:52 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Jim Noble

Nope. Not Amish.

That house is the residence of a convicted killer. This address was all over the news 30 some odd years ago when this guy killed his grandmother who lived next door (All from memory so details may be off) He served something like 15 or 20 years before he was released back to his house.

Hell, google the address and you can even have the guys name.


75 posted on 12/24/2012 8:55:45 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Revelation 911

Pull the LEO’s back across the bridge and send in an AC 130 gunship.


76 posted on 12/24/2012 8:58:22 AM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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To: Nik Naym

As an aside but a very important point: as a convicted felon the shooter (if he is who I suspect he is) wasn’t able to legally possess a gun in the first place.


77 posted on 12/24/2012 9:00:25 AM PST by Nik Naym (It's not my fault... I have compulsive smartass disorder.)
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To: Lawdoc

I believe that there has not been any change in the violent crime / shooting rate in the US recently. What has changed is that the gun-grabbers in Washington and the media smell blood in the water, so they are going to over-hype every negative story involving a gun in order to play on peoples’ emotions and get a gun ban through. Similarly, they will underreport any story involving gun being used for valid self-defense purposes.


78 posted on 12/24/2012 9:06:15 AM PST by Scutter
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To: Nik Naym

House comes back to a William Spengler.


79 posted on 12/24/2012 9:16:50 AM PST by Fury
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To: oh8eleven

I threw a few bullets in a fire when I was a youngin, age 10. Still have a major scar where it tore into my arm at the crook of my elbow. Had to have the fragment removed years later that lodged in.


80 posted on 12/24/2012 9:18:34 AM PST by commonguymd (The enemy within is our MSM. War starts there imo. twitter @commonguymd)
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To: commonguymd
Still have a major scar where it tore into my arm at the crook of my elbow.
You're lucky ...


81 posted on 12/24/2012 9:24:07 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven

I had the same glasses as a kid. Broke a few. Once I lost them in the Wisconsin river, or at least that’s what I told my dad. He found out through the small town talk that I got into a fight and they broke and I hid them. So love that movie based on my own experiences.


82 posted on 12/24/2012 9:30:00 AM PST by commonguymd (The enemy within is our MSM. War starts there imo. twitter @commonguymd)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
You know, I think there is some merit to what you say.

People are being told by the corrupt, evil MSM that everything is great and improving under Obama, yet everyone can see that there are no jobs, the cost of food keeps going up, and there is no hope of relief on the horizon.

Yes, there is a growing national despondency in the air. Americans are in love with Obama and liberal policies and yet they continue to spread abject misery!

People keep swallowing the poison the MSM keeps spoon feeding them on a daily basis and it's killing us.

Watch for an explosion in drug abuse nationwide - heroin, meth, pot, designer. People are going to desperately grab for any kind of relief.

And the MSM will continue to tell the gullible that Obama is great and should continue to be worshiped.

83 posted on 12/24/2012 9:34:45 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: commonguymd
So love that movie based on my own experiences.
I was 11-12 and being bullied by a guy named Melvin.
He was chasing me across the schoolyard one day, when I'd had enough.
I let him get close, dropped down so he would trip over me - and like Ralphie - discovered my Irish temper and beat the krap out of the guy.
84 posted on 12/24/2012 9:38:39 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Obadiah
And the MSM will continue to tell the gullible that Obama is great and should continue to be worshiped.

This must be what it was like under FDR.

85 posted on 12/24/2012 9:40:27 AM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Lawdoc

” What is wrong with people? “

Alcohol complicating ‘family matters’/broken-up families and the holidays can make things painful, out-of-work with no money available to pay property taxes/a ‘tax auction’ looming down the road, a feeling of ultimate and enveloping despair ...

Pick one, they all work equally well.


86 posted on 12/24/2012 9:45:39 AM PST by _Jim (Conspiracy theories are the favored tools of the weak-minded.)
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To: Revelation 911

Awful news. Prayers up. We are truly a sinful nation, may God and His beloved Son have mercy on our souls.


87 posted on 12/24/2012 9:52:44 AM PST by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: oh8eleven

So cool!


88 posted on 12/24/2012 10:02:31 AM PST by commonguymd (The enemy within is our MSM. War starts there imo. twitter @commonguymd)
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To: oh8eleven

My grandfather was Johnny Malone. A little Irish Blood here too obviously.


89 posted on 12/24/2012 10:03:22 AM PST by commonguymd (The enemy within is our MSM. War starts there imo. twitter @commonguymd)
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To: Revelation 911

I’ve heard that some of the big blue cities also shoot at ambulance crews. It’s a mad, mad world.


90 posted on 12/24/2012 10:12:31 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Revelation 911
and on cue - the bodies arent cold and she begins to talk gun control - these animals have no soul

today’s violence is an unthinkable tragedy that has taken the lives of our friends, neighbors and loved ones. My thoughts and prayers are with the families of the public servants who died today and the families of those wounded. Our nation must address out-of-control gun violence and I am firmly committed to doing my part. Congress must pass comprehensive legislation as soon as possible and bring an end to the senseless gun violence that has taken too many innocent lives.

Rep Louise Slaughter

91 posted on 12/24/2012 11:31:27 AM PST by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: Revelation 911

When I lived in the area 30 years ago, Webster was an upscale suburb populated by Kodak and Xerox people. I don’t know where it has gone as those two companies slid down the porcelain parkway. This is not an inner city hellpit.


92 posted on 12/24/2012 11:41:18 AM PST by Nepeta
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To: popdonnelly

Hide them, already. Or better yet, hide lathes, milling machines, metallurgy ovens, reloading presses and dies, get ready to bootleg new, unregistered weapons if it becomes necessary.


93 posted on 12/24/2012 11:42:30 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Venturer

Newton itself was a copy catter of the Batman Movie shooter. It’s all just a symptom of a society gone insane.


94 posted on 12/24/2012 11:45:40 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Fury
House comes back to a William Spengler.

William Spengler was just confirmed by Webster PD Chief to be the killer and he died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. He murdered his grandmother, who lived next door, back in the early 90's. He was a criminally deranged POS and convicted felons are not allowed to own guns in NYS, so he committed this ambush and murders and assaults with illegally obtained guns.

I've spent time down at Sea Breeze, at the amusement park and the burger/hot dog joints as well as at Marge's Lakeside Inn and the Reunion on Culver Rd.

95 posted on 12/24/2012 11:48:16 AM PST by rochester_veteran ( http://RochesterConservative.com/forums)
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To: Revelation 911

Is there an actual shooter or is there some ammo cooking off in the house?


96 posted on 12/24/2012 11:51:24 AM PST by Drill Thrawl (We have crossed the line from independence & liberty to dependency & servitude. We are doomed)
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To: Lawdoc
"What is wrong with people our government?"
97 posted on 12/24/2012 12:07:17 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Venturer
PLEASE read this before you think what you think! This is all about setting the climate for a massive 0bama gun grab, envoking as much support as possible.. What did 0bama do within SIX HOURS of learning he won his re-election on election night?.. He called the U.N. to resurrect the U.N. small arms Treaty. Things that make you go, hmmmmmm..

http://www.sott.net/article/254873-Sandy-Hook-massacre-Official-story-spins-out-of-control

98 posted on 12/24/2012 12:13:19 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
THEN, explain THIS search of Adams car well into the night.. WHAT???? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLrxSgkqJQc
99 posted on 12/24/2012 12:14:59 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
Then there's THIS article which makes you go 'hmmmmm..':

http://www.sott.net/article/254774-Connecticut-massacre-two-shooters-Look-to-Aurora-Colorado

100 posted on 12/24/2012 12:23:27 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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