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Obama issues call for gun ban
messages @whitehouse.gov ^ | 12/21/12 | Reed

Posted on 12/21/2012 9:40:04 AM PST by pabianice

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To: familyop

Like they stopped Obamacare? They will just strip out a bill from the house and fill it with gun control language and deem it passed.


51 posted on 12/21/2012 1:47:26 PM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: pabianice

I’d love to give my opinion, but I’m sure I’ll get a special visit not long afterwards.


52 posted on 12/21/2012 4:03:10 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: Gadsden1st

The house has to pass any bill, before it can become law. No revised bill can be made law without passing in the House. So no, a president can’t simply revise a bill that has passed the House and decree it as law. But on the planet Niburu, maybe such things are possible...or maybe in an episode of the X Files.


53 posted on 12/21/2012 4:14:55 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: RWB Patriot

The Government has nothing to fear but .....small arms with clips


54 posted on 12/21/2012 8:35:24 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: familyop
The house has to pass any bill, before it can become law. No revised bill can be made law without passing in the House. So no, a president can’t simply revise a bill that has passed the House and decree it as law. But on the planet Niburu, maybe such things are possible...or maybe in an episode of the X Files.

I'm not aware of a time that Congress has stopped "Obama" from doing whatever he wants to do, unconstitutional or not. He makes his own "bills" and "laws" with his autopen.

55 posted on 12/21/2012 9:48:03 PM PST by WXRGina (Further up and further in!)
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To: tpmintx
από τα κρύα, νεκρά μου χέρια
56 posted on 12/21/2012 9:58:49 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: JerseyBob
You know, once they get rid of the second ammendment, they’ll be coming in full force for the first.....

Political Correctness already killed the 1st Amendment.

57 posted on 12/21/2012 10:13:21 PM PST by Conservative_Rob
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To: Conservative_Rob

My 2 cents.

Removing the 2nd would seem to be an extremely difficult task for the uh, “lawmakers”. But if it did happen — actually confiscating all the weapons will be nigh impossible! The loons on the left will learn to their dismay what the Constitution means by “Militia”


58 posted on 12/21/2012 10:56:16 PM PST by Gasshog (Welcome to the United States of Stupidos!)
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To: Lancey Howard
Works for me.


59 posted on 12/21/2012 11:10:39 PM PST by tpmintx (Gun free zones are hunting preserves for unarmed people.)
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To: pabianice
Vice President Biden has been asked to work with members of the Administration, Congress, and the general public...

Half the general public anyway.

The other half can go sh1t in their hat.

60 posted on 12/21/2012 11:24:54 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: posterchild

post of the day, my man!!


61 posted on 12/21/2012 11:27:37 PM PST by Segovia
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To: pabianice

no.


62 posted on 12/21/2012 11:57:40 PM PST by dadfly
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To: Tzimisce
Congress can pass no law that is not in pursuance to the Bill of Rights/Constitution. In other words, you can't pass a law to outlaw the supreme law of the land, which, by the way, is the Bill of Rights/U.S. Constitution. (Article VI, para 2)

Thes same article delineates the pecking order of laws, treaty laws, and state laws. You can't pass a treaty law that is not in pursuance to the U.S. Constitution. Further, no state or judge can pass a law that is not in pursuance to the supreme law of the land.

Please get that straight and stop empowering anyone with the right or the idea that they can disarm us. The Second Amendment cannot be infringed upon because it is part of the Supreme Law of the Land.

If the gummint wants to infringe on our gun rights by hook or crook, they will. But they will be in violation of the Supreme Law of the Land and would be guilty of tyranny and should be treated like any other tyrant.

And more than that, because they would be in violation of their oath to preserve and protect the U.S. Constitution, their primary reason for being elected to office.

63 posted on 12/22/2012 12:15:05 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: pabianice

Its time to go on offense rather than wait for Obama and the DC crowd to push their agenda.

I was glad to hear the inside the beltway NRA called for armed security at every school.

That needs to be our demand aimed at our state legislators and governors, along with local schools.

Put the liberals on the defensive.

Disarmament wasn’t the answer to Nazis in the 1930’s, Communists during the Cold War and terrorists in 2001.

It isn’t the answers to the insane attacks on children in our schools.


64 posted on 12/22/2012 1:24:29 AM PST by Nextrush (PRESIDENT SARAH PALIN IS MY DREAM)
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primates with substantially smaller brains
also have substantially less intelligence
and are also substantially less evolved


apply that to dogs of various breeds
does a dingo make a wonderful children's pet?

does a pitbull have the reliability
and intelligence of a border collie?


let us back to alleged upper primates now kiddies
and ponder of the massive percentage of population
reversal of Detroit since 1980 and look at the massive
changes in violent crime and murder statistics there


you can give opinions but you cannot refute the facts
that are in the annual FBI-DOJ Uniform Crime Reports


what did Obama's (first) physician say about Obama?
what then happened to that White House physician?
where does Obama's current physician come from?

hint: he plays golf and writes boring medical reports









65 posted on 12/22/2012 2:06:02 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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To: pabianice

My standard response to everyone who I talk to about the gun control issue is: “Do you know what kind of assault weapons Tim McVeigh used in Oklahoma City? How about on 9/11? What kind of guns did those guys use?”

Over 3,000 Americans dead, zero guns used by the perps.


66 posted on 12/22/2012 3:53:20 AM PST by pie_eater
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To: pabianice

A background check on Adam Lanza would have turned up nothing, correct? And his mother’s guns were perfectly legal. Now what???


67 posted on 12/22/2012 4:43:45 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: pabianice

I have problem with the petitions in general. It is as if the Idiot in Chief thinks we’re a non-representative democracy.


68 posted on 12/22/2012 4:46:29 AM PST by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: Vinnie

How would a background check show what kind of prescription drugs someone took?


69 posted on 12/22/2012 4:50:43 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

School records.


70 posted on 12/22/2012 5:03:51 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: Vinnie

How Do I Retrieve My Own Background Check?
How to Do a Federal Firearms Background Check to Buy a Gun

National Instant Check System

The National Instant Check System (or NICS), created in 1998, enables gun dealers and state point-of-contact offices to run background checks on potential customers to determine if they are allowed to purchase a firearm. This FBI monitors this system. Most background checks can be completed within minutes unless further investigation is necessary. Information contained within the database includes prior criminal records, information from the U.S. Department of Defense and information from the U.S. State Department. When purchasing multiple firearms on the same day, only one background check will be conducted. To purchase firearms on different days, you must undergo multiple background checks for each firearm.
Contacting NICS

Gun dealers contact the NICS database directly and speak with an operator, who runs the background check. You will be required to fill out Part A of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearm’s (or BATF) form 4473 so you can be identified correctly in the database. If you have a common name, you may be asked to provide your Social Security number for verification. This is voluntary, but it can help speed up the process. The gun dealer will be given a verification number once you have been cleared to purchase the firearm. If additional information needs to be verified, NICS has up three days to complete the background check. If you have not been cleared to purchase a firearm, the gun dealer will be told to delay the purchase until a further investigation has been conducted.

http://www.ehow.com/way_5958275_do-background-check-firearm-purchase_.html

No mention of school records.


71 posted on 12/22/2012 5:13:38 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: pabianice

And I call for an Obama ban.


72 posted on 12/22/2012 5:39:40 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: pabianice

When you stop the BLACK STREET GANGS from killing people then you can have my guns!


73 posted on 12/22/2012 6:21:27 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: pabianice

Hide your guns. Don’t cooperate. Passive resistance.


74 posted on 12/22/2012 6:22:40 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: ilovesarah2012
How would a background check show what kind of prescription drugs someone took?

Now that we have Obamacare it will be easy. See how that works!

75 posted on 12/22/2012 6:28:03 AM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Gabz

“Assault weapons” are banned in CT according to the Left’s demands.
However they were stored, he had to go so far as killing his own mother to get them.
He tried buying a gun but failed the background check.

Every law the Left demands was already in place - and failed just as we predicted.


76 posted on 12/22/2012 6:53:04 AM PST by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com)
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To: unixfox

Excellent point.


77 posted on 12/22/2012 7:12:56 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

That is the procedure now. Wait for the new and improved system.

IIRC when this system was instituted the records were supposed to be expunged after 30 or 60 days. Guess what.


78 posted on 12/22/2012 7:14:04 AM PST by Vinnie (A)
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To: Gaffer
3. Scariest of all. You'd think on the surface he's talking about attitudes. Far from it. It means they will try at some point to go through each recalcitrant's homes searching for violent weapons.

You betcha. AND this "Crisis" has certainly made our Cult President more popular than ever. Count on complete gun confiscation through and Executive Order - it WILL happen and what will Americans do? No marches, no violence, just sit glued in front of their TVs.

56%: Obama's Approval Soars to 3-Year High
79 posted on 12/22/2012 7:23:56 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: pabianice

“there’s no law or set of laws that can prevent every senseless act of violence in our society.”
This is only thing that 0bama has been right about in 4 years.


80 posted on 12/22/2012 7:31:04 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: Dead Corpse
Here’s an idea... Mr. President, you don’t have the legit power to do so. Neither does Congress. So, no. No gun bans for you. We’ll say it louder if we have to.

I sure wish that last sentence would indeed come true, but I have my doucts. Just posting on the internet is NOT going to stop this White Hut Dictator and the likes of Boner/Reid in the Congress.
81 posted on 12/22/2012 7:33:00 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: pabianice

I skimmed through it. Didn’t see anything about a gun ban. In fact, he basically said nothing. I don’t trust him, of course. But that doesn’t mean he’s done anything more with this speech than start a blog spot.


82 posted on 12/22/2012 8:33:40 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: pabianice

“I’m willing to bet...” that Obama doesn’t give a crap about what rural folk think.


83 posted on 12/22/2012 10:42:48 AM PST by JenB987 (I'm still an American and 'til they take that away from me there's no day ruined. - El Rushbo)
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To: Tzimisce
Whether by Law, executive order or UN treaty, they are going to disarm us. :)

They'll try.
84 posted on 12/22/2012 12:44:02 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (John Winthrop's "City upon a Hill" just became a midden heap. Infested with rats and other vermin.)
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To: Eastbound

” and should be treated like any other tyrant.”

If that means I would have to miss an episode of “Jersey Shore”, COUNT ME OUT!!!/sarcasm;)


85 posted on 12/22/2012 2:06:49 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: Gadsden1st

The book Unintended Consequences is an excellent work, but Hussein O will not be receptive....Hates America and sound judgement.


86 posted on 12/22/2012 4:12:49 PM PST by SisterK (My kingdom is NOT of this world)
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To: Eastbound

I’m not “empowering” anyone.

I’m pointing out: when has the Constitution stopped anyone in this administration or crop of liberal Democrats?

I guess you can sue if you want too - but it’ll get in front of some liberal judge who’ll slap you down.

After the Obamacare ruling - nothing would surprise me.

I fear our government is completely out of control. The left thinks they have a mandate to do anything they want - and they are going to use it.


87 posted on 12/22/2012 6:40:36 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Tzimisce

“Whether by Law, executive order or UN treaty, they are going to disarm us. :)”

Over my dead body.


88 posted on 12/22/2012 8:10:06 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: ilovesarah2012

The perp tried to buy a firearm and was turned away. So he stole them from his mother.


89 posted on 12/22/2012 8:19:35 PM PST by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: pabianice
So does that imply his demand for a "civilian force" funded at the same levels as the US Army is now "inoperative"....?

inquiring minds seek to know.......

90 posted on 12/23/2012 7:04:32 AM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: Eastbound
Please get that straight and stop empowering anyone with the right or the idea that they can disarm us. The Second Amendment cannot be infringed upon because it is part of the Supreme Law of the Land.

OK, but what if they ask us to register our guns? I am a collector of guns some of the"scary" kind. I bought them legally, with a background check and I have a CWP, Concealed Weapons Permit issued by my counties sheriff's office. My husband says he is not going to jail alone to rot there while everyone else "registers" their guns. Don't they have to find out where they all are before they can order us to turn them in, cause when we don't they know where to go to get them. Registration is the key for them.

91 posted on 12/23/2012 7:54:27 AM PST by thirst4truth (www.Believer.com)
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To: Gaffer

“....Same thing for NSAID prescriptions,etc.......”

NSAIDs are used for asthma, among other ailments.

Does that mean anyone with an inhaler can’t own a gun??


92 posted on 12/23/2012 9:35:52 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

They are also used for helping people to go to sleep.

Inability to sleep could be construed as resulting from stress, fatigue, personal problems, etc. Do you not think that the gun takers would take prescription use history to extremes?


93 posted on 12/23/2012 9:40:46 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: ilovesarah2012

One of the very first Executive Orders from the Despot issuing out in the wake of this tragic opportunity for gun grabbers is the EO that will require all Federal Agencies to report NICS related information to the Federal NICS data base.

We now have a convenient vehicle in ObamaCare that will digitize every carbunkle, hammertoe, Valium, Valtrex, et al prescription and ship it right on off to NICS.....the EO will require NICS to flag whatever the hell they feel like flagging it with.

As Rush says “Don’t doubt me on this.” It will happen, is even happening NOW.


94 posted on 12/23/2012 9:44:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: devolve

“what did Obama’s (first) physician say about Obama? what then happened to that White House physician? where does Obama’s current physician come from?

hint: he plays golf and writes boring medical reports”

What DID 0bamas first doctor say about him and what happened to him?

Private reply to me is OK.


95 posted on 12/23/2012 9:46:41 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yes, this is how they want you to believe things go. Have you purchased a weapon very recently? If so, then you will have noticed that a new box has been added to the 4473 (box 12 I think) right before the box that asks you to state (check mark) race. An answer on that box can be marked “other”.

The very curious thing in this new box are TWO options. HISPANIC, or NOT HISPANIC....You tell me why they need this. This whole NICS crap is political and if you don’t think they’re gonna pull in every bit of information they can from now on, you should call me - I have a bridge I want to sell you.


96 posted on 12/23/2012 9:49:52 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: cizinec

” The perp tried to buy a firearm and was turned away.”

Wonder what the reason was for the turn-down?

Too young? (He was 20)


97 posted on 12/23/2012 9:51:43 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Gaffer

Maybe my mom was/is Hispanic but I have my dads last name and I take after him in looks.

We can play this game also.

Who will they bother more, the person who checks the “Hispanic” box or the one who checks “non-hispanic”.


98 posted on 12/23/2012 9:57:41 AM PST by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
So if we take away the firearms from the law-abiding citizens, that will keep these criminals AND GOVERNMENT that the left turns loose upon the citizenry will simply stop their violent crimes?

There. Fixed it.
99 posted on 12/23/2012 10:51:44 AM PST by crosshairs (It's all about good vs evil. In the end, evil is destroyed.)
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To: thirst4truth
Dear thirst4truth.

I'm sorry I have to say this, but no one can advise you what to do anymnore. You are entirely resposible for whatever action you take. Consider that anything that you choose to do is already, or soon to be illegal, even though it's Constitutional.

The issue will be settled for me at my front door, if and when that hour comes.

I honestly don't know what I'll do until that moment, but my daddy didn't raise a coward or a slave.

100 posted on 12/23/2012 10:58:29 AM PST by Eastbound
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