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Boehner Fiscal Cliff 'Plan B' Rejected by GOP Caucus, House to Recess for Christmas
Thursday, Deecember 20, 2012

Posted on 12/20/2012 5:16:50 PM PST by kristinn

Capitol Hill reporters on Twitter writing Speaker Boehner has dropped Plan B fiscal cliff vote tongiht after revolt from House Republican caucus. House will recess until after Christmas.

After raucus closed dooor House GOP meeting, Boehner says House has already passed bills to cut spending and taxes to avert fiscal cliff and the ball is the court of the Senate and President Obama.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; US: Ohio; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 112th; boehner; conservtaxincrease; fiscalcliff; johnboehner; notbreakingnews; planb; vanity
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1 posted on 12/20/2012 5:17:03 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Yep, the GOP tax collectors for Obama and Pelosi won. Our taxes go up now.

Man he has it easy.


2 posted on 12/20/2012 5:18:31 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: kristinn

Next step, new Speaker.


3 posted on 12/20/2012 5:18:36 PM PST by NonValueAdded (If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs, you've likely misread the situation.)
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To: kristinn

I’d like to see what’s in Rimshot Joe Biden’s “Preparation H” fiscal cliff bill.


4 posted on 12/20/2012 5:18:43 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: kristinn

A question will all those who claimed that this tax cut bill was raising taxes be surprised when our taxes go up as a result of its defeat?
Any of them?
Did any of them believe what they were posting?


5 posted on 12/20/2012 5:21:40 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: kristinn

Thanks, Kristinn.

Wow.


6 posted on 12/20/2012 5:22:45 PM PST by YepYep (We've just GOT to love Jesus enough to LISTEN to Him, and Do what He Says)
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To: kristinn

Huh...
Okay, now what?
Reid passes a bill through the senate to preserve the Bush tax cuts for $250k and below, and then dares the House to reject it? Is it too much to presume that Boehner would be as smart as Reid and simply never bring such a bill to the floor of the House?


7 posted on 12/20/2012 5:22:51 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: sickoflibs
A question will all those who claimed that this tax cut bill was raising taxes

Your premise is inaccurate. It wasn't a tax cut bill, it was a bill to keep taxes where they are.

8 posted on 12/20/2012 5:25:03 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: kristinn

If we already passed bills to cut spending and taxes, how is this bad?

From what I heard on Fox just now they couldn’t pass “plan b” because the reps would not go against their vow not to raise taxes.

What am I missing?


9 posted on 12/20/2012 5:25:38 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: kristinn

Yup, heard the news. Boehner loses....


10 posted on 12/20/2012 5:26:19 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: kristinn

No matter what Boehner and the Republicans do, they will get all the blame for the damage to this economy and the markets from going off the cliff. Not even the slightest criticism will disturb the individual in the White House or his party.

These are dark times. Orwell would be in awe at the manipulation of reality here.


12 posted on 12/20/2012 5:26:56 PM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Lancey Howard
it was a bill to keep taxes where they are.

Thanks for clarifying, it's too easy to get caught up in their double speak and get off message.

13 posted on 12/20/2012 5:27:46 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: kristinn

Dow futures down 277 (not a mistype) as we speak.

Look out below


14 posted on 12/20/2012 5:28:32 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: kristinn

DOW Futures Down 254. Guess we’ve make our own little Apoolypse haven’t we.


15 posted on 12/20/2012 5:29:02 PM PST by bunster
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To: kristinn

Pre markets are down
Dow - down 220
S&P - down 24
NASDAQ - down 42


16 posted on 12/20/2012 5:30:28 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: kristinn

Okay, so why does Mark Levin say this is a good thing?


17 posted on 12/20/2012 5:30:35 PM PST by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Except for those making over $1 million per year


18 posted on 12/20/2012 5:31:37 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

Cavuto said to keep an eye on the Asian markets tonight.


19 posted on 12/20/2012 5:32:01 PM PST by bunster
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To: NonValueAdded
Absolutely. Boehner painted the GOP into a corner last year by caving on the debt limit. The sequestration was a satanic plan that should never have seen the light of day.

Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

20 posted on 12/20/2012 5:32:44 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: PMAS

Dems want tax increases for EVERYONE..even that Commie schmuck said so..so now they will get what they want, tax increases for everyone, and they will get to blame Republicans for it..so they get the best of both worlds


21 posted on 12/20/2012 5:33:43 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: PMAS
Except for those making over $1 million per year

I thought that was plan b?

22 posted on 12/20/2012 5:34:06 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: PLMerite
Levin is a purist who thinks the GOP should be 100% of what they want even though we don't have either the Senate or WH.

This bill would have protected middle class small business...restaurant franchise owners and the like. Now these businesses will have to fire employees.

23 posted on 12/20/2012 5:34:06 PM PST by what's up
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To: Lancey Howard
Your premise is inaccurate. It wasn't a tax cut bill, it was a bill to keep taxes where they are no”

At least you are not claiming that this was a tax increase bill.
That was the lie that killed the bill.

Now our taxes go up. On the Marxist channel Ed Schultz and CO are cheering this defeat right now, their work done on the GOP inside

24 posted on 12/20/2012 5:34:12 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: PMAS

Was typing so fast forgot to name the schmuck..Howard Dean


25 posted on 12/20/2012 5:34:46 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: rfp1234

Maybe the Mayans were on to something.

Agree on the sequestration and the supercommittee.

Gingrich called them on it immediately..so did Cain.


26 posted on 12/20/2012 5:35:36 PM PST by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: NonValueAdded

Right ... who has the backbone to rally the troops?

Dems are dancing in the aisles not that their Dem-lite surrogate has handed them what they want.

Beohner has been unimpressive from the start.


27 posted on 12/20/2012 5:36:13 PM PST by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: Las Vegas Ron
No matter what Boehner and the Republicans do, they will get all the blame for the damage to this economy and the markets from going off the cliff.

Yep they will get the blame from low-information voters and the press. But I am tired of politicians who know better being so scared of stupid people and corrupt people. Instead they need to speak the truth of the matter to these people in the same way that Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin and Thomas Sowell explain these issues, and let the chips fall where they may.

28 posted on 12/20/2012 5:36:24 PM PST by Reddon
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To: kristinn

S&P’s have fallen out of bed. I guess jerking all those junior Tea Partiers out of committee roles wasn’t such a good idea, eh, Boehner...


29 posted on 12/20/2012 5:36:38 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Don't be afraid to see what you see. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

That’s what they didn’t vote on tonight because Boehner didn’t have enough GOP votes


30 posted on 12/20/2012 5:37:25 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: what's up

why would the dems have accepted it even if it passed the House. Reid would just have let it die in the Senate like all the other House GOP bills. I don’t really see the big deal here. what really changed with this going down?


31 posted on 12/20/2012 5:37:58 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: Sarah Barracuda

The GOP just gave it to him


32 posted on 12/20/2012 5:37:58 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: kristinn

Fire Him, Put him back into a normal seat, without any committees... Elect a New Speaker!


33 posted on 12/20/2012 5:38:05 PM PST by jafojeffsurf (Return to the Constitution)
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To: Reddon; Deo volente

I think you meant that for Deo volente


34 posted on 12/20/2012 5:38:32 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

It could have been any of those commie schmucks


35 posted on 12/20/2012 5:39:04 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: PMAS

Thsnks for your help.

I need to study up some more on this, it’s difficult to keep up with it some times.


36 posted on 12/20/2012 5:40:39 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: PMAS

The Dems would have blocked the bill in the Senate anyway..this bill was garbage anyway..taxing ANYONE during a recession is a horrible horrible idea..at least some in the GOP have a spine to say no to this nonsense but the media will do what it always does, blame the Republicans when taxes go up(But fail to mention how the Dems want the taxes to go up on EVERYONE)..its a lose lose situation..when you have a moron watching this on TV who voted for Obama for the freebies it wont matter to them anyway


37 posted on 12/20/2012 5:40:55 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: kristinn
Once again the Demonicrats have manuvered the Repellicans into yet another corner where they're "damned if they do and damned if they don't!"

Dammit!!!

The smartest thing the Repellican Party could do is adopt the Tea Party completely and help the Tea Party to refine and polish it's candidates into principled winners without the expensive consultant/lobbyist industry types. Candidates with focus, sincerity and disgression coupled with able expression will go far to restore the republic's respectability!!!

Put the "professional" Repellican to work raising money for a respectable, worthwhile series of winning campaigns that we conservatives don't turn on (against) at the drop of a hat!!!

Instead of constant bichin an gripin all the time, let's put together a series of bigger and bigger wins till our movement wins it all, once again!!!

We've got to wipe out these "Oh (BLEEP!) moments," once and for all time!!!

38 posted on 12/20/2012 5:41:42 PM PST by SierraWasp (Blessed are they who prospect, dig & drill, for they are the primary producers of new, real wealth!!)
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To: sickoflibs
surprised when our taxes go up as a result of its defeat? Any of them?

You make enough to pay taxes on? Be thankful.

I haven't seen positive income in 3 years.

Since Romney was nominated, I knew that whichever way it went, my customers were going to get creamed, and me with them.

johnny

39 posted on 12/20/2012 5:42:15 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: PMAS

The words “Fiscal Cliff” are a joke anyway..we already went off the damn cliff years ago when Obama started spending us to oblivion..we already went off the cliff


40 posted on 12/20/2012 5:42:23 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Deo volente
Orwell would be in awe at the manipulation of reality here.

Not only Orwell. Joseph Goebbels would be awestruck also at how the White Hut clown has manipulated everything for the past 5 years, just freakn' unbelievable. Rush had a great show today about the "low information" voters (i.e. moron voters).
41 posted on 12/20/2012 5:42:49 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: PLMerite
Okay, so why does Mark Levin say this is a good thing?

1. Because the Senate wasn'[t going to pass the House bill anyway. The Dems want to go over the cliff.

2. Because the Republican House was going to blamed for the calamity in any event, regardless of any action they took.

3. Because it demonstrates the GOP caucus has not lost sight of why they were elected -- they retain at least a shred of principle and honor.

4. Because it means that, in all liklihood, Boehner's service as Speaker has come to an end. This serves as a rousing vote of "no confidence".

42 posted on 12/20/2012 5:44:14 PM PST by okie01
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I know the democRATS would have blocked it, but then the onus would be on them to come back with something or they would have looked like the ones sending us over the cliff.
The conservative GOP members didn’t vote for it because of the lack of sufficient spending cuts


43 posted on 12/20/2012 5:44:31 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: what's up; PLMerite

I guess if you believe in the Constitution, unalienable rights and not killing the economy by bargaining with a dictator you’re a purist. Who knew?


44 posted on 12/20/2012 5:45:57 PM PST by frogjerk (Obama Claus is coming to town!)
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To: PMAS

We need spending cuts..Dems want to keep on feeding their freeloading moronic supporters so they keep on voting Dem..media will say that Republicans are holding the middle class hostage, blaa blaa blaa this nonsense will never end


45 posted on 12/20/2012 5:46:49 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: jeltz25
why would the dems have accepted it even if it passed the House.

It would have depended on reaction if it passed.

If the GOP passed it and were able to follow it up with the message that they DID raise taxes on millionaires and protected most small businesses and that the Dems had earlier said they wanted a "millionaire's tax" then Reid might have come under pressure to pass a similar one.

At the very least I think the Senate would have been pressured to reconcile it with a bill that previously passed in the Senate which would result in a bill much better than the one the WH wants.

46 posted on 12/20/2012 5:47:45 PM PST by what's up
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To: kristinn

Even if the House voted it, Plan B was just political cover and could never become law.

Boehner’s problem is he has no personality and can’t win the PR war no matter what he does.


47 posted on 12/20/2012 5:49:03 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: PMAS

onus on them? good one. the media would have covered for Obama and the dems like they always do. There’d have been no onus.

that’s the same attitude Israel had when they left Gaza and Lebanon. Now the world we’ll see who acted and we’ll get credit down the road. Right.

This has all been a show so far. Nothing real will happen until around Dec 31 ar 5 PM. Then things will start to get real.


48 posted on 12/20/2012 5:50:03 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: JRandomFreeper
RE :”You make enough to pay taxes on? Be thankful.
I haven't seen positive income in 3 years”

I don't think the GOP will get too far with that line of argument, that is why those who defeated this bill called it a tax increase bill instead of what it was, now our taxes go up.

What is your education and career experience since you volunteered the subject?

49 posted on 12/20/2012 5:50:37 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

So right, we need a ton of spending cuts - Boehner should have put enough of them in there to get all of the GOP behind it - he thought he would get some democRAT votes, he should have known he wouldn’t get those.


50 posted on 12/20/2012 5:51:12 PM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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