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Why does America have so many guns?
The Washington Post ^ | 19 December 2012 | Harold Meyerson

Posted on 12/19/2012 7:34:08 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

Compare the rate of murder by gun in the United States to the rate in any other advanced industrial nation, and you’re forced to draw one of two conclusions: Either there are far more homicidal people in this country than just about anyplace else on Earth, or far more guns. We must either be home to more people who succumb to murderous rage or who kill out of the coldest of calculations, or it’s easier to pick up a gun and start shooting here than in any comparable country.

And yet, I’ve never heard even the staunchest gun advocate make the case that Americans are inherently more homicidal than everyone else. They repeat ad nauseum that people, not guns, kill people; but they don’t argue that there’s something about Americans that make them kill more than their counterparts in other nations.

Meanwhile, look at the numbers. In the United States, there are 3.2 gun homicides per 100,000 residents every year. Switzerland has the next highest rate of any advanced Western democracy, at 0.7 per 100,000. After Switzerland, the rate drops to 0.5 in Ireland and Canada; 0.4 in Sweden and Finland; 0.2 in New Zealand, Spain and Germany; 0.1 in France, Britain and Australia; and a flat 0 in Japan.

Want to argue that we have 32 times the rate of dangerous mental illness that they have in Australia? That Americans are characterologically 16 times more murderous than Spaniards or Germans? I thought not.

But in America, people who snap are a hell of a lot more likely to have a gun close by. The rate of gun ownership in the United States is 89 per every 100 people. No other advanced society has a rate even close to that.

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1 posted on 12/19/2012 7:34:12 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because the gun is the tool and means of freedom.


2 posted on 12/19/2012 7:35:37 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because we fear our government.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 7:36:04 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Marxism kills.


4 posted on 12/19/2012 7:37:04 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: chris37

And government should fear the people.


5 posted on 12/19/2012 7:37:24 PM PST by 23 Everest (When seconds count. The police are just 23 minutes away. 831 Bonnie)
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To: MinorityRepublican

People who snap and lose it probably read articles
like this!


6 posted on 12/19/2012 7:37:26 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Because the economy is bad, and we can't afford to buy more.

/johnny

7 posted on 12/19/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Cuz we can


8 posted on 12/19/2012 7:38:02 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: MinorityRepublican
The rate of gun ownership in the United States is 89 per every 100 people. No other advanced society has a rate even close to that.

So its not really every blade of grass but it is most blades of grass.
9 posted on 12/19/2012 7:39:36 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

When you take out the major cities, America has a much lower crime rate than most other Western countries.


10 posted on 12/19/2012 7:39:46 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The USA is the arsenal of democracy.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 7:39:46 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because fighting aggressors hand to hand is exhausting.


12 posted on 12/19/2012 7:40:23 PM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: tet68

we are the melting pot of the world that has just about let the rest of the world take us over legally and illegally and we are about to melt down


13 posted on 12/19/2012 7:41:01 PM PST by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: tet68
To be brutally honest, the corrections are embedded below.

Compare the rate of murder by gun or any other method in the United States to the rate in any other advanced industrial nation, and you’re forced to draw one of two conclusions: Either there are far more black people in this country than just about any other advanced industrial nation, or far more guns.

14 posted on 12/19/2012 7:41:34 PM PST by RugerMini14
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To: MinorityRepublican
Uh, African-American 'rat controlled cities?

Control for that issue and get back to me on homicide rats.

15 posted on 12/19/2012 7:41:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: chris37

Unarmed citizens are subjects not free men.


16 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:03 PM PST by Buddy Sorrell ( Boehner, our Vichy Speaker)
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To: Jonty30

Is that minus their major cities as well?


17 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:15 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Uh, African-American 'rat controlled cities?

Control for that issue and get back to me on homicide rates.

18 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:22 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: Jonty30

‘When you take out the major cities, America has a much lower crime rate than most other Western countries.’

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!


19 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:35 PM PST by ldish (Give me Freedom and Liberty or let's kick some a**!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Why does American have so many bad newspapers?
20 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:35 PM PST by pabianice (washington, dc ..)
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To: cripplecreek

So its not really every blade of grass but it is most blades of grass.

That, as my late daddy used to tell us when walking
in the woods, “Watch where you step!”.


21 posted on 12/19/2012 7:42:40 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Harold Meyerson - Born in Los Angeles, Meyerson was educated in the Los Angeles public schools and at Columbia University. The son of long time leaders in California of the Socialist Party of America. he was active in the 1970s in the Democratic Socialist Organizing Committee.

22 posted on 12/19/2012 7:43:09 PM PST by kcvl
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To: JRandomFreeper
Because the economy is bad, and we can't afford to buy more.

How true. I have a list as long as your arm of other weapons I'd like to buy as soon as the financial picture improves. And I'm just a lady. I just figure that my daughter and I have the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and we can't enjoy those rights if we have to live in fear of being raped and/or murdered and/or robbed.

23 posted on 12/19/2012 7:43:11 PM PST by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: chris37

Amen


24 posted on 12/19/2012 7:44:01 PM PST by Perdogg (Mark Levin - It's called the Bill of Rights not Bill of Needs)
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To: Jonty30

My little town had a murder almost 30 years ago. There was a shooting about 5 years ago but that was between people who aren’t locals.
I do have one of the Hutaree militia members about a half mile away but he’s no threat.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 7:44:06 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Harold, you useful idiot, it is because of people like you and your filthy rag that gun ownership is so high in the United States. You don’t really have a clue, do you?


26 posted on 12/19/2012 7:44:16 PM PST by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Translation:   Damn, that dern' Constitution is pretty inconvenient to our political goals at the WaPo.
27 posted on 12/19/2012 7:44:41 PM PST by WeatherGuy
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To: MinorityRepublican

1. Thugs need them so they can continue their illicit and deadly activity instead of getting a real job.

2. The honest citizens need them because the Founding Fathers knew that someday we would have a president who had disdain for the Constitution, would pee on it, and would make laws as he wished.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 7:45:38 PM PST by doug from upland (Obama and the leftists - destroying our country one day at a time)
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To: MinorityRepublican

And what is more dangerous than citizens with guns? Leftist governments who ban guns. In the last 100 years Leftist governments have killed about 150 million of their own citizens. More than all wars during the same timeframe. Some report the dead by leftist governments as 250 million. Zer0’s buddy Bill Ayres discussed his communist plans with the Chinese leftists and they told him he would need to kill about 25 million US citizens who would not accept communism. It is even in his own book “Prairie Fire” as well as in reports from a FBI undercover agent. I thinlk Zero0 is not new, he is just like previous leftists in that he wants gun control so no one can fight back.


29 posted on 12/19/2012 7:46:02 PM PST by MtnClimber (I did not vote for 0bama, someone else did that!)
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To: chris37

God created man, Sam Colt made them Equal.


30 posted on 12/19/2012 7:47:29 PM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Marxist Crap!


31 posted on 12/19/2012 7:47:55 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Because it's called the Bill of Rights and not the Bill of Needs.
32 posted on 12/19/2012 7:48:01 PM PST by Bob
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To: MinorityRepublican
Why not?

I'd like to know why we've got so many damned, braindead liberals. Okay, I know, recreational drugs, but that can't account for all of them.

33 posted on 12/19/2012 7:48:59 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because we are crazy, because ET has some nasty enemies as well, because planet Earth is populated by humanoids who exist to survive. And guns are very good survival tools.

Even against possible alien invaders.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 7:49:21 PM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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To: MtnClimber

The never ending gun gab attempt is largely driven by global interests. Everybody wants what America has but we bristle with guns.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 7:49:24 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: MinorityRepublican
"In the United States, there are 3.2 gun homicides per 100,000 residents every year. Switzerland has the next highest rate of any advanced Western democracy, at 0.7 per 100,000. After Switzerland, the rate drops to 0.5 in Ireland and Canada; 0.4 in Sweden and Finland; 0.2 in New Zealand, Spain and Germany; 0.1 in France, Britain and Australia; and a flat 0 in Japan."

Note that the article very carefully compares ONLY "gun homicides", instead of total homicides. Evidently the WP thinks being murdered with a gun makes the victim deader than murder with some other implement of violence.

36 posted on 12/19/2012 7:49:24 PM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: ottbmare
I pray that you get a good Christmas and New Year. And maybe something in the stocking.

I recently bought ammo for the nanny that watches my grandbabies. Daughter joins her and pays for range time.

My daughter, the grandbabies, and the nanny deserve to live and thrive. All I can do is push a little practice ammo that way to encourage that. Besides what I did, instilling those values when daughter was a bratling herself.

She found out at Thanksgiving that the first rifle she shot was an AR-7. She never knew what it was, before. It was a bonding moment. I still have it. She'll inherit it.

/johnny

37 posted on 12/19/2012 7:49:57 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MinorityRepublican
...there are far more homicidal people in this country than just about anyplace else on Earth...

Those who are not afraid of the truth know that he just answered his own question right there.

38 posted on 12/19/2012 7:51:40 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (U.S. elections have become nothing but another cheap ripoff of American Idol.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Because we’re Americans.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 7:51:59 PM PST by BuddaBudd (F U B O)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Break down the rates of murder and violence by ethnicity and national origin and one finds a non-PC pattern. The American descendants of Europeans have rates like that of Europe, with Americans descended from other continents having rates of violence similar to those of where their ancestors came from. Meanwhile, US states with strong civil commitment laws experience about a third less the rate of personal violence and murder than states with weak civil commitment laws. And states with permissive concealed carry laws have lower rates of violent crime and far fewer spree killings.


40 posted on 12/19/2012 7:52:45 PM PST by Rockingham
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To: MinorityRepublican

Back before the 1960s there were no gun laws. Everyone’s pay barely covered the necessities for life.

Now there is extra paper money and people can afford more.


41 posted on 12/19/2012 7:53:00 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (REOPEN THE CLOSED MENTAL INSTITUTIONS! Damn the ACLU!)
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To: Wonder Warthog
Evidently the WP thinks being murdered with a gun makes the victim deader than murder with some other implement of violence.

Jerry Clower, from Liberty, Mississippi could explain how you can't get no deader than stone-cold-dead, right there.

Sorry, that's a southern thing.

/johnny

42 posted on 12/19/2012 7:54:00 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: MinorityRepublican
the 2010 General Social Survey showed that 50 percent of adult Republicans owned guns, while only 22 percent of adult Democrats did.

So what. Most of the gun murders are perpetrated by Democrats.

43 posted on 12/19/2012 7:54:34 PM PST by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

America has so many guns because it’s a guaranteed right in the Constitution...Why do you ask such simple questions???


44 posted on 12/19/2012 7:54:34 PM PST by Route395
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To: Theoria

That’s a good question. I don’t know the answer to that, but as many will testify here who dont live in the big cities, they often go months or years between murders.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 7:55:21 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh Communists, they are coming out of the woodwork more and more these days. Remember a time where a Commie would hide the fact that they were a Commie..now they are free and clear about their intentions..I guess when you have a Commie in the White House it makes a Commie feel pretty good about themselves. Apparently the 2nd Amendment means nothing to these buffoons


46 posted on 12/19/2012 7:55:31 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: MinorityRepublican
And yet, I’ve never heard even the staunchest gun advocate make the case that Americans are inherently more homicidal than everyone else. They repeat ad nauseum that people, not guns, kill people; but they don’t argue that there’s something about Americans that make them kill more than their counterparts in other nations.

Well, it's a point, but I'm not sure it's a valid one. However, Harold, by the same token, ever hear of Lenin, Mao Ze Tung, Pol Pot? How about Hitler, Mugabe, Idi Amin, Assad, etc., etc., etc.???

The Founding Fathers knew the dangers of a strong central government and intentionally created a system built on the concept of the balance of power.

The balance of power is the reason for the Second Amendment and the balance of power is why so many Americans have so many weapons. To guard against the actions of gun-grabbing nanny-state bedwetters like you and the leftists you love.

It's all about the balance of power, Harold. Get used to it . . . . . . . . . or MOVE to one of those tyrant-controlled nations you seem to admire where the people don't have guns, but the tyrants at the top do!

47 posted on 12/19/2012 7:55:49 PM PST by DustyMoment (Congress - another name for anti-American criminals!!)
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To: Buddy Sorrell
Unarmed citizens are subjects not free men.

Exactly!

48 posted on 12/19/2012 7:56:08 PM PST by MV=PY (The Magic Question: Who's paying for it)
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To: MinorityRepublican
Unfortunately for the U.S., we are simply a violent country.

If you disregard gun murders in the U.S., and just take the numbers for all other methods of murder (strangulation, knife, blunt object, etc.) we still have a rate of 1.8 per 100,000.

Compare that to the U.K., where the murder rate of all methods combined, INCLUDING gun murders, is 1.1 per 100,000.

stats referenced and discussed here

So, yeah, these stats show that we have a violent culture, but it also shows that guns aren't the cause. Law abiding gun owners use guns to protect themselves and others from the violent culture.

Oh, yeah, and our founding documents acknowledge that we have the God given right to own guns. Any other argument is moot.

49 posted on 12/19/2012 7:57:31 PM PST by Washi (Socialism is Slavery)
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To: MinorityRepublican

We like to shoot guns because it’s fun.


50 posted on 12/19/2012 7:59:05 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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