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Speaker Boehner: "Mr. President, It's Plan B or Be Responsible For the Largest Tax Hike In History"
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Posted on 12/19/2012 12:08:21 PM PST by Perdogg

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To: sickoflibs

Right on the money with the analysis.... and... me too.


51 posted on 12/19/2012 1:14:17 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: sickoflibs
Now Republicans need to stop whining about the 0.2%

Agreed.

Dems have the WH and Senate. And we really expect to get absolutely ZERO tax hikes?

The President will either have to compromise on his 1% stand or hike middle class taxes. This is a good move.

52 posted on 12/19/2012 1:15:05 PM PST by what's up
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To: rockinqsranch
House Repubs all falling down, and getting concussions, taking time off might work better.

That would be both funny and a big slap in Hillary's face at the same time.
53 posted on 12/19/2012 1:20:53 PM PST by Eagle of Liberty (Be the Enemy Within the Enemy Within...)
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To: ArmstedFragg

A little walk through some fire in January.

I have a strong feeling King Obama wants riots.


54 posted on 12/19/2012 1:24:29 PM PST by PA-RIVER
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To: duffee

“The House Republicans should pass a bill That would re-instate the Bush tax cuts, then pass abill de-funding obama care, then passa bill defunding the czars and all cost of these positions, Then foreign aid to Iran, Egypt, etc.These are but a few there should be more with spefic spending cuts and cut all US funding to the UN. Pass these on and let the democrats do as they will. Republicans need to do what’s right and forget about trying to negotiate with the democrats.”

I can’t stop laughing at this! Common sense? By Republicans???? HA!!!!!!!! Stop it!!! I can’t take anymore!!! You’re killing me!!!!


55 posted on 12/19/2012 1:24:29 PM PST by FerociousRabbit
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To: what's up; ArmstedFragg; Perdogg; Hoodat; dan on the right; Trapped Behind Enemy Lines; ...
RE :”Now Republicans need to stop whining about the 0.2%
Agreed.
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Dems have the WH and Senate. And we really expect to get absolutely ZERO tax hikes?
The President will either have to compromise on his 1% stand or hike middle class taxes. This is a good move. “

Obama ran on raising taxes and won and these tax increases are automatic so there is no way to get him to sign the extensions, or even get them to him.

Better to fight like a Dem does, meaning fight to win!
Put Dems on the defense for a change.

The idea that House Republicans should say that these 99.8% taxes must go up if ANY (0.2%) do go up, and then later claim it was really Obama who did it, and that will accomplish anything is just stupid. It has been tried and tried and its always a disaster.

56 posted on 12/19/2012 1:25:10 PM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

My feelings exactly


57 posted on 12/19/2012 1:27:59 PM PST by V V Camp Enari 67-68 (Viet Vet)
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To: Hoodat

You ascribe more intelligence to the American people that the evidence would otherwise suggest. If Boehner “went away” until March, the media would launch an impeachment effort or something. And Boehner must like all the attention and is going no where. Even whem Obama heads to HI, I think Boehner may stay put in DC.


58 posted on 12/19/2012 1:38:42 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: FerociousRabbit

I guess common sense went out the GOP window with Boise Penrose of PA or some politician decades ago, and for all I know Penrose didn’t have common sense either. He had a catchy name though.


59 posted on 12/19/2012 1:40:45 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Perdogg

My vote would be for Thelma and Louise. Nearly everyone in this country should pay some amount of federal income tax. Especially the moochers.


60 posted on 12/19/2012 1:44:37 PM PST by crusty old prospector
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To: skeeter
Ace of Spades might be the only place Boehner can get his word out.

Matt Drudge. Paging Matt Drudge. Please pick up the white phone in the lobby.

61 posted on 12/19/2012 1:44:44 PM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Perdogg

Is this supposed to be a problem for Obama? Those that voted for him, whether legally or not, won’t think so. As for the next presidential election, it may be cancelled.


62 posted on 12/19/2012 1:45:03 PM PST by Elsiejay
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To: what's up

Correct. One of the better moves in weeks.

The question is not whether Obama is going to get his tax increase. The question is whether the GOP can get anything in return.

Making the tax cuts permanent for 99% of the taxpayers is a decent start.

We are on much strong footing in 2013 with the debt limit expiration.

The fact is, Obama campaigned on raising taxes and won. He won a mandate to do exactly that. So let him have his damned tax increase.


63 posted on 12/19/2012 1:48:42 PM PST by mwl8787
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To: Hoodat
I see your $100 billion and raise you $1 trillion more. Forget sequestration. Let's refuse to raise the debt ceiling instead.

46 posts before this got stated. Shows just how thick the smokescreen is on the issue. Thanks Hoodat!

64 posted on 12/19/2012 1:59:46 PM PST by houeto (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: Perdogg
The House Republicans are playing this well. Raising the top marginal rates on ordinary income is not a good way to increase revenue, and those rate increases will slow economic growth. It's much better to bump up the rate on the lowest bracket for very high income people and limit itemized deductions (excluding charitable contributions) for everyone. It we have to increase the marginal tax rate on ordinary income, because the democrats just insist on that kind of tax increase at some level of income, then raising that rate on income above $1 million is the least damaging way to do that.

The democrats seem to forget about state income taxes, which have a marginal rate of about 9.5% in several high-tax states. When you add the state tax rate in with a higher federal rate of 39.6%, even with the state tax deduction, you're now up to an effective margin rate of approximately 45.3%. That is a serious disincentive for business investment and expansion. Some of the lost investment and expansion will be offset by increased investment by corporations that pay the 35% corporate tax rate as those corporations expand where small businessmen decide not to expand. But not all of the lost investment will be made up by bigger corporations. Some of that lost investments is in small "niche" businesses or in small markets that are not big enough opportunities for corporations to bother with. Any time a business investment or expansion is canceled because the owners decide it's just not worth it due to high tax rates, there is then a substantial multiplier effect through the larger economy that is also lost. That is how US economic growth declines significantly because of higher tax rates.

The best way to raise revenue is to raise marginal rates only above $1 million and then limit itemized deductions to $100K, excluding charitable contributions. In the long run, that will get us more economic growth and more revenue than raising total marginal tax rates (which are already very high in many states) on business owners who earn less than $1 million.

65 posted on 12/19/2012 2:00:50 PM PST by socialism_stinX (The national government is always the most dangerous organization in every country.)
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To: Perdogg

Obama: Oh, boy. A no-brainer. Largest tax hike, here we come!


66 posted on 12/19/2012 2:07:41 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: dan on the right

When the fiscla cliff happens, it will be blamed on the GOP. Remember this is about the agenda, not taxes.


67 posted on 12/19/2012 2:13:32 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Perdogg

If it’s a strong statement from Speaker Boehner, he made a mistake.


68 posted on 12/19/2012 2:16:19 PM PST by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Perdogg

Speaker Boehner your getting more pathetic by the second. You have given in on every thing the Democrats wanted and they still didn’t accept the deal....Now you are Begging them to take the deal Pelosi approved??? Pass the Republican plan in the House now and send it to the Senate!!!!


69 posted on 12/19/2012 2:19:57 PM PST by jakerobins
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To: Perdogg

Let’s hope that he has the votes. A tax rate increase on those making over $1 million is really not that significant IMHO, because people who have over a million a year in income can easily shift their income around between dividends, capital gains, deferrals, etc., such that they won’t pay that much more in the end. I think 60% of the public has bought Obama’s crap about “fairness” for the “millionaires and billionaires”, so cut it down to strictly them and let it go, while at the same time making the Bush tax cuts permanent for everyone else.


70 posted on 12/19/2012 2:20:51 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: Perdogg

Why don’t the Republicans in the House pass Plan B TODAY? The Republicans need to assert now and every five minutes if necessary that THEY are the ones who want to preserve the Bush tax cuts for 99-plus percent of Americans.

If Obama and the Democrats refuse to support the Republicans, then the Republicans will be able to remind every taxpaying American next year that the reason there’s less money in their paychecks is because it was stolen from them by Ebenezer Obama and the 52 Democratic Scrooges in the Senate.

Then the House Republicans can pass another bill re-instating the lost tax cuts, and once again Obama and the Democratic Senate will have to make an important decision: Do they want to extend the biggest tax increase in American history which they allowed to happen, or will they show some sympathy toward the struggling middle class and join the Republicans in reinstating the Bush tax cuts?

If Obama allows the country to go over the cliff, he will be the one to fall the hardest.


71 posted on 12/19/2012 2:20:54 PM PST by Bluestocking
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To: Perdogg

Taxamageddon was upon us the moment Obama got re-elected.


72 posted on 12/19/2012 2:52:06 PM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("Governing a great nation is like cooking a small fish - too much handling will spoil it." Lao Tzu)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Or how about my bumper sticker slogan from a few months back:

No Greece!

or

Democrats=Greece


73 posted on 12/19/2012 3:16:37 PM PST by iacovatx (Conservatism is the political center--it is not "right" of center)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

“So are you saying you believe 0bama and not Boehner?”

Uh Yeh!! When was the last time Obama didn’t get exactly what he wanted out of Boehner? The answer is never.


74 posted on 12/19/2012 3:36:02 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dan on the right

All we have?! How about demanding the Senate PASS A BUDGET? Reminding everyone the OCare taxes? How about 1.5TRILLION budget deficits (baseline budgets)? Wasn’t there a report, not THAT long ago, outlining the duplicitous nature of Fedzilla itself (talk about a STARTING point)?

No, we have the RINOs cheering and championing a tax increase instead, shortly after Boner bend-over and handed O the KY, with NO plan on reducing the economic slavery D.C. is (again) forcing down our throats.

Reasonable....How about starting w/ ZERO? As in, zero out the budgets of extra-Constitutional departments, committees, etc.? I haven’t heard word ONE about that dusty ol’ piece of paper since Mittens accidentally brought it up in a debate.

The GOP doesn’t have the stones to do what’s right, lay it out (it’s called BROKE) and start rolling back the tide. But they’ll be there next year, with the hands out wondering why the $$ train is dry and they continue to lose at the ballot box...


75 posted on 12/19/2012 4:46:57 PM PST by i_robot73
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To: Perdogg; Squantos; Eaker; B4Ranch

So, some dumbass missed the 2010 results.

Perhaps the ballot box is no longer significant.

Pray for the republic.


76 posted on 12/19/2012 9:41:23 PM PST by glock rocks (Pro Deo et Constitutione - Libertas aut Mors)
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To: glock rocks

In 2011 because of that election a “ grand bargain” was on the table for 10-1 spending vs revenue and the house repupublicans stopped it. Now we are looking at 1-1. For those who think the republicans are going to look good with this plan b kabuki theater I would point you to the polls which show a completely different story. This is the first time I think the left and Free Republic agree. The left is begging to go off the cliff. They think Obama is giving too much away. As a party we have to get past this. Short term we may claim some sort of victory long term it will be devasting for the party.

Remember policies and tax codes can be changed but if you are not in power then you are stuck deciding on which will suck the least. We need to get past this and think long term. Make the best deal you can and move on. Otherwise 2014 and beyond are going to be worse for our party and we will continue the march to the left.

We had a bad economy and still could not win. Obama ran on republicans pandering to the rich only. This is not going to end well for us no matter how much you try to say Obama tax increase.


77 posted on 12/20/2012 1:50:36 AM PST by chopperjc
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To: glock rocks

Soap box is bought and paid for, ...ballot box has been hacked ... Jury box is filled with idiots ... Ammo box is last resort. They do not want to see the last resort....

Stay safe Glock Rocks.

Merry Christmas


78 posted on 12/20/2012 2:24:48 AM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: SoFloFreeper

They should be doing what the democrats like to do- run toward the nearest available microphone and camera and keep repeating the talking point, till every low information voter in the country hears this many time over.


79 posted on 12/20/2012 3:07:45 AM PST by Moorings
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To: Perdogg

The _resident will NOT own this tax.

his toadies in the MSM will make sure of that. They will blame the Republicans who would not tax the so called ‘2% rich’ causing the Bush Tax Cuts to sunset.

You and I will no better, but the morons who voted for him or those who just don’t understand, will blame the greedy republicans...

it is a given and lose, lose for the republicans


80 posted on 12/20/2012 3:41:31 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Truth is a Weapon

“But 0bama telling the truth is not possible.”
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I would guess that he might tell the truth in a narrowly defined instance in which doing so would be the best and easiest way to accomplish his goal of destruction. Is that actually possible? I can’t say.


81 posted on 12/20/2012 5:30:01 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: kidd

You are probably about right. The left is so much better at playing the game than the conservatives are. Most conservatives still want to cling to the fallacy that the voters know what they are doing and the conservatives don’t know what to do if they should ever accept just how stupid the mass of voters are. Conservatives don’t really understand how to appeal to total stupidity but the left has done everything to create and promote that stupidity and they know perfectly how to use it to gain power.
If anyone notices that I don’t include myself in either group it is because even though I am very conservative I have abandoned the notion that voters at large know what they are doing, it has been made perfectly obvious that they do not. No one who has a clue about reality ever even considered voting for Bill Clinton, let alone Obama.

This is the trap of elected government, you CANNOT allow anyone over a certain age to vote regardless of any other considerations, it leads to what we have right now. We could ask villages all over the country to pick their favorite idiot and send him to Washington, name the best looking idiot as leader and we would have something very much like what we have now, it might even be better.


82 posted on 12/20/2012 5:44:10 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: sickoflibs
Now Republicans need to stop whining about the 0.2% who will see the automatic tax increases, and stop joining Pelosi Dems who will vote against this extension, and instead get on to calling O out for fighting to raise ALL OF OUR taxes by opposing this 'B' bill.

My understanding is that Pelosi herself supports the notion of raising taxes on incomes of a million dollars and up. It will be interesting to see whether she votes against plan B.

83 posted on 12/20/2012 7:11:16 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: mac_truck; Perdogg; Arthurio; bestintxas; what's up
RE :”My understanding is that Pelosi herself supports the notion of raising taxes on incomes of a million dollars and up. It will be interesting to see whether she votes against plan B. “

Worse yet,
Pelosi originally proposed that same idea B as a rhetoric club to beat Republicans with (just extend below $1M) back May 23 in a letter, and now she will line up House members to vote against it because Bohner FINALLY called her bluff.

But Republicans appear not capable of using Dems words as weapons against them like Dems do,against them(Rs) . That is why they (this congress) ALWAYS LOSE these fights to Dems.

This House took on three key battles last year and lost them all (getting whatever crap Obama didnt care about) : The 2011 budget, the debt limit extension 2011, then the FICA tax cut extension a year ago.

On the first two the R words/phrases that Ds used as deadly weapons were :
“ Rs are saying Shut it down” then on the second “Rs are saying Default”

Bohner has them home now to keep from repeating that but as you can see the new catch phrase for O to use is
“Republicans are saying Lets go off the cliff”

84 posted on 12/20/2012 7:36:27 AM PST by sickoflibs (Dems know how to win. Rs know how to whine.)
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To: Perdogg
Perhaps tomorrow we'll get to see "Planet X from Outer Space"...
85 posted on 12/20/2012 10:16:39 AM PST by mikrofon (Mayan-be ;)
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To: Arm_Bears

I listened to Boehner yesterday, and I think he did OK.

He said that Obama has been saying he wants to tax millionaires and billionaires, so Boehner said he agreed to taxing millionaires and above.

Personally, I think it was necessary and shrewd use of the media, and it shielded almost everyone included in the Bush tax cuts. (If I had my druthers, I’d raise taxes to 1% on everyone not now paying income tax, even if they do pay payroll taxes, because everyone should have some skin in the game.)

I think under Boehner’s plan that 99.3% of Americans get to keep their Bush tax cuts.

Ideally, we’d get rid of all income taxes and go to the Fair Tax, but it doesn’t look like that dream is gonna happen in my lifetime.


86 posted on 12/20/2012 10:40:11 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Arm_Bears; P-Marlowe

I listened to Boehner yesterday, and I think he did OK.

He said that Obama has been saying he wants to tax millionaires and billionaires, so Boehner said he agreed to taxing millionaires and above.

Personally, I think it was necessary and shrewd use of the media, and it shielded almost everyone included in the Bush tax cuts. (If I had my druthers, I’d raise taxes to 1% on everyone not now paying income tax, even if they do pay payroll taxes, because everyone should have some skin in the game.)

I think under Boehner’s plan that 99.3% of Americans get to keep their Bush tax cuts.

Ideally, we’d get rid of all income taxes and go to the Fair Tax, but it doesn’t look like that dream is gonna happen in my lifetime.


87 posted on 12/20/2012 10:40:19 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins

Democrats all the time: “Tax the rich!”

Republican Plan B: “Tax the rich!”

What’s the difference?


88 posted on 12/20/2012 10:49:47 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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To: xzins

I think we need to introduce a 30% surtax on income earned by actors in movies and television. This would be over and above any regular income tax that these people have to pay. Since they almost universally complain that they don’t pay enough taxes, lets give them their wish.

If that works then we can institute the same surtax on editorial writers for newspapers with subscriptions over one million.

Also make it a policy that if anyone publicly complains that they don’t think they pay enough in taxes, that they be automatically subject to a full IRS audit.


89 posted on 12/20/2012 10:58:17 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Arm_Bears

The difference is that gutting the military with a trillion dollars in cuts come January is a non-starter.

The military cannot tolerate 100 billion in cuts per year.

Every time this nation in the past has gutted it’s military, it has cost untold amounts of blood in our next conflict.

So, until we win the presidency, we must do what good we can, and gutting the military is worse than a 3% tax increase on about 7/10th of a percent of Americans.


90 posted on 12/20/2012 11:01:43 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Actors, editors, and complainers....

I agree with your entire stated plan.

So far as Boehner is concerned, there is only one sort of friendly news outlet for republicans. They lost the media war during the election, and they’re losing it now.

If Boehner can get the nation to hear his “I agree to tax millionaires and above”, then it might get their attention.

So far as the spending cliff is concerned, I think that gutting the military is a huge mistake.


91 posted on 12/20/2012 11:06:15 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
So far as the spending cliff is concerned, I think that gutting the military is a huge mistake.

Personally I am in favor of doing an across the board 10% cut in budget for every Federal Department for the next 3 years including the defense budget. I also think that we have way too many Generals and other high mucky mucks in the military, especially considering that we are not currently engaged in something like WWII. We also have way too many stupid bureaucrats in the pentagon and too many vendors who have landed cushy construction jobs because they know the right Senator or Congressman.

So I favor cutting everything by 10% immediately and telling the secretaries of each department that they need to deal with the fact that they are only going to have 90% of the money they had last year to deal with this year.

I would not suggest that any member of the military have their pay cut, but then military pay for enlisted personnel has never been a big budget issue. The problem in the military is that it is top heavy. An across the board cut of 30% over 3 years is not going to kill anyone. I've had to do that several times in my lifetime. Austerity is everyone's problem when you are 20 trillion dollars in the red.

92 posted on 12/20/2012 11:21:57 AM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: Perdogg
Harry Reid says he's sending the Senate home for Christmas, to re-convene Dev 27. He asks that the House stay in session and negotiate with Obama.

I say the House should pass a bill which makes all the Bush tax cuts permanent, and adjourn until after New Years.

93 posted on 12/20/2012 11:23:08 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: P-Marlowe

My very youngest son, an engineer and a civilian, makes more than a bird colonel. The colonel has 20 years in age and 15 years in experience on him.

How do you propose keeping top quality people in the military? The military has some of the most dynamic leaders of our nation in some of the most critical jobs of our nation working for less than the maximum military pay of about 170,000 a year, the pay of a general. Gutting and hollowing the military of its best people is crazy, but most field grades and above could find higher pay, and some of them, far higher pay, working in the civilian sector.

That aside, the idea of an across-the-board cut for every budget anywhere in government also appeals to me. If they’d actually do a 10% across-the-board, I’d sign on right away. But they won’t.

But a trillion dollars out of the defense budget is more like an annual 20% for them.

And what you’d end up with is the lobbyists and congress-critters deciding how that remaining 80% would get spread around. Troops are always easiest to hit. They will cut the number of troops, because that is easiest and preserves all the pork, and they will argue they can do the same with planes and bombs.

And, if that were true, we would have spent 6 months in Iraq and 3 months in Afghan.


94 posted on 12/20/2012 12:23:59 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
How do you propose keeping top quality people in the military?

How about increasing the salary of commissioned officers by 30% but reducing the number of such commissioned officers by 50%.

There's a 20% cut in cost and I suspect that it would have little effect on overall efficiency. In fact overall efficiency might be increased as there would be fewer chiefs and more indians. Almost every level of the federal government, including the military is top heavy.

I would suggest that congress just inform the Pentagon (and every other federal department) that they have 10% less money next year than they had this year and let them figure out where to cut. If there is a problem, congress can always deal with it by way of emergency appropriations.

95 posted on 12/20/2012 1:10:12 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe

It’s a more difficult issue due to the sifting, training that’s required to get to the most qualified.

As with any organization that promotes from the lower ranks, one must have both sufficient lower ranks and sufficient opportunity for advancement in order to retain the best.

Everyone raved about Petraeus in his heyday, but odds are many his equal or better left the military as majors because they knew the odds of advancing to general grade was less than a quarter of a percent.

So much of that is luck, connections, nepotism, etc., that the truly good must see a pathway to making a contribution.


96 posted on 12/20/2012 5:24:21 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: PapaBear3625

No chamber can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other chamber, but who follows the Constitution anymore? Certainly not the American people and their “leaders”


97 posted on 12/22/2012 9:15:59 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Theodore R.

OK, so the House comes back into session, makes a motion that Reid is a doofus, and immediately adjourns for another three days.


98 posted on 12/23/2012 7:25:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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