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Obama to lay out first steps in gun policy talks after Newtown tragedy
CNN ^ | Dec 19, 2012 | Dana Ford and Holly Yan

Posted on 12/19/2012 3:33:12 AM PST by Innovative

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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."

-- Rahm Emanuel

1 posted on 12/19/2012 3:33:23 AM PST by Innovative
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Yes, we must change. We must give out the combos to our gun safes to anyone. Hell, let’s just leave the safes open. And of course, we should leave our guns in the open in our unlocked cars. Is that what he has in mind?

Bad guys don’t go thru the same process we law-abiding citizens do to procure our self defense weapons. If a bad guy wants a gun, he will KILL someone to get it.

Because of the actions of the few, many will be punished. Zeig Heil! (that’s German for bullshit)


2 posted on 12/19/2012 3:40:37 AM PST by blu
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To: Innovative

Obama has to get this done before the bodies turn cold.


3 posted on 12/19/2012 3:45:31 AM PST by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Innovative
Joe Biden is going to lead the effort; well maybe there is hope. The jokes would write themselves, but they would all be in bad taste.
4 posted on 12/19/2012 3:46:44 AM PST by Truth29
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To: Innovative

5 posted on 12/19/2012 3:49:17 AM PST by Zakeet (Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage - Mencken)
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To: Innovative

The PTB think their lives are invaluable, and thus they are allowed to protect their own lives and the lives of their loved ones. However, they do not think that our lives — we, The People — have any value at all; thus they see no reason why our lives should be the subject of protection.


6 posted on 12/19/2012 3:49:46 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Innovative
This was a horrible tragedy, and I can't imagine going on with my life if my child was one of the victims. We obviously should all be praying for those parents.

However, knee-jerk reactions to tragedy, and worse, using tragedy to score political points, is not the right course.

Should we be having a national discussion about banning or restricting automobiles? The following statistics are from an article published this year:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/2012/may/02/traffic-accidents-biggest-killer-young-people

Excerpts:

“Roads are now the biggest killer of young people over the age of 10, with road traffic deaths constituting a global health epidemic that has reached crisis proportions, according to a report published on Wednesday.”

“Children and young people are the worst affected, with road traffic injuries now the single biggest source of fatality among 10- to 24-year-olds worldwide. In 2004, the last year for which comprehensive data is available, road traffic injuries killed more 5- to 14-year-olds than malaria, diarrhoea and HIV and Aids.”

7 posted on 12/19/2012 3:50:12 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Innovative

It’s a BFD to fundamentally transform America.


8 posted on 12/19/2012 3:53:34 AM PST by windsorknot
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Vice President Joe Biden will lead an inter-agency process to develop policy in the wake of the Connecticut elementary school massacre

Yeah a Government policy. That will work. Just look how well the Governments policies on jobs is working, the Governments policy on immigration is working, the Government policy on health care is working, the Government policy on debt is working.
One policy will work and always works. Be able to KILL the bad guy before he kills you or those around you.


9 posted on 12/19/2012 3:54:39 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Innovative

Obama is the biggest tragedy to ever befall this Republic.

What good it is to trade your liberty and rights for a false semse of safety delivered by a dictator wanna be?


10 posted on 12/19/2012 4:03:50 AM PST by dforest
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...Vice President Joe Biden will lead an inter-agency process...

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Sounds to me like Der Fuehrer intends to bypass Congress and rule by decree.


11 posted on 12/19/2012 4:11:31 AM PST by fatnotlazy
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To: Innovative

Just words, abslutely no substance at all!


12 posted on 12/19/2012 4:15:24 AM PST by redflash ("A dog is a dog until you look him in the face, then he is Mr. Dog!")
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To: Innovative

Just words, absolutely no substance at all!


13 posted on 12/19/2012 4:15:33 AM PST by redflash ("A dog is a dog until you look him in the face, then he is Mr. Dog!")
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To: Innovative

A committee headed by Joe Biden? This horse will surely look like a camel.


14 posted on 12/19/2012 4:16:33 AM PST by joshua c (Please dont feed the liberals)
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“””Sounds to me like Der Fuehrer intends to bypass Congress and rule by decree.”””

Dictators don’t need Congress.


15 posted on 12/19/2012 4:19:20 AM PST by shelterguy
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To: Innovative

While the NRA has been largely quiet, the national debate over guns is reaching a new high — some calling for stricter control; others for more access.
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Is it me, or is that gray area getting smaller and smaller and harder to see?

Division. What side you are on?


16 posted on 12/19/2012 4:22:19 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: joshua c

If the thing fails, Biden will get the blame, if it doesn’t Obama will get the credit, and poor Joe didn’t even see this coming.

Obama is going gun grabbing, Biden is going to get the rap for it.

Biden is sitting there saying Duh—who me?


17 posted on 12/19/2012 4:25:40 AM PST by Venturer
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

With the rise of cars that drive themselves, you will see laws banning people driving sooner or later.


18 posted on 12/19/2012 4:28:39 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Innovative

The liberals and their president have failed. There have been far more mass shootings under “his watch” than any other administration. Various cities around the country have become war zones. Over 2000 guns were given to criminals. A jihadist infiltrated our military and murdered troops on American soil. Instead of laying out a policy, he should resign.


19 posted on 12/19/2012 4:29:10 AM PST by Toespi
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Various cities around the country have become war zones.

Good point, but no one in the media and certainly not among the dirty 'Rats will admit this. Just look at Obama's "hometown", Chicago. I am guessing that after a couple or few nights there, the death total from the CT tragedy will have been exceeded. Things there are so bad that Godfather Rahm is going on TV begging the gangbangers to "leave the children alone". And there are dozens more places like it, Detroit, south LA, Miami, Washington. If Obama wants to control guns, start in those places. He can go out and beg the gangbangers to give up their guns to their homeboy.

20 posted on 12/19/2012 4:34:49 AM PST by chimera
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To: Innovative
“You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”
— Rahm Emanuel

this all goes back to Saul Alinsky and his ‘Rules for Radicals’. Radicals like the community organizer that somehow became _resident.

21 posted on 12/19/2012 4:39:45 AM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: chimera

Pam Geller’s take is absolutely spot-on!!!!

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2012/12/video-pamela-geller-on-dr-drew-discussing-newtown-shooting.html

This is the poison fruit of the left’s decades long war on American values and morality. The problem is not guns. The problem is our societal glorification of violence and death. We need to recover love of life and respect for human beings in the society, and teach such things in schools.

Our societal nihilism is what leads to these attacks.

American children are fed a daily diet of violence from early childhood on. A non-stop feed of gratuitous, mindless violence on television, in movies, on the internet, and particularly video games, dehumanizes and desensitizes. How many open chest cavities do we need to see on CSI or Law and Order? When I was a kid, Twilight Zone and Alfred Hitchock could scare the living daylights out of you without so much as a knife or gun drawn. Add to that the porn culture .......

Hollywood, the music industry, the lack of morality and virture, the breakdown of the family and a reckless abandonment of the mentally ill. In the late 20th century, psychiatric hospitals got a very bad name; the left decided the mental institutions were wrong, cruel. Institutionalizing someone became “the bogey man.”

These hospitals were closed, and we basically tossed our mentally ill onto the street. We medicated them and then threw them to the wolves. Now we’re raising a generation of mentally ill children, with limited mental health resources and a system whose hands are tied until AFTER the tragedy happens.

Outlawing guns will not deter criminals, who will not hesitate to obtain illegal guns. It will just render the populace more defenseless.


22 posted on 12/19/2012 4:41:13 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Innovative

And to end them, we must change,” Obama told a packed auditorium at Newtown High School on Sunday.

Eat sh*t, Buckwheat. You’re not my president and never will be.


23 posted on 12/19/2012 4:42:48 AM PST by sergeantdave (The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)
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To: Innovative

Who cares. Suddenly I do not have any guns.


24 posted on 12/19/2012 4:49:24 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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lots of boating accidents goin on out thar.


25 posted on 12/19/2012 5:10:04 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Innovative

Isn’t Obama technically not qualified to even be POTUS in the first place?


26 posted on 12/19/2012 5:16:40 AM PST by Eye of Unk (A Civil Cold War in America is here, its already been declared.)
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"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before." -- Rahm Emanuel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thats a two way street Rahm.

We conservatives have not yet even begun to exploit serious crisis. Don't worry Rahm, when we do , you will be one of the first to know.

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27 posted on 12/19/2012 5:26:27 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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Why is cosmoline so expensive these days? Sheesh.


28 posted on 12/19/2012 5:28:21 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Innovative

Its always foolish to legislate based on emotion which is why democRATS come up with such stupid and counter-productive policies.


29 posted on 12/19/2012 5:35:54 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Zakeet
NOBODY BLAMES CARS FOR DRUNK DRIVING

The Left should propose:

1. Background checks on anyone applying for a driver's license. Said license to be summarily denied if the applicant (or any of his immediate family members) has any history of violent rages, mood disorders, or use of mood-altering drugs.

2. A 7-day "cooling-off period" when trying to rent a car. (You can sleep on the floor in front of the airport rental agency while you wait.)

3. A ban on "automatic" (i.e., equipped with automatic gear transmission) and "assault" vehicles (i.e., any vehicle with more than 2 horsepower).

4. A 1-gallon limit to the amount of fuel you can buy in one 24-hour period. (The Government knows what's best for you, and no one should really need to drive that much, anyway.)

5. Car-free zones in a 2-mile radius around bars, liquor stores, etc.

6. A ban on "Saturday Night Specials" (vehicles costing less than, say, $50,000).

This stuff just writes itself, doesn't it? At last: Now I know how Liberals think!

Regards,

30 posted on 12/19/2012 5:37:20 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: newfreep

Just watched the video! She’s great!


31 posted on 12/19/2012 5:39:12 AM PST by Artcore
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>Perhaps a ban on full metal grills.

>Ban on all vehicles over a certain weight, reduce ft/lbs of energy during crash.

>Mandate steering wheel locks on all vehicles. Increase penalties for vehicle owners if a kid gains access to the vehicle.

>Put into place prohibitive taxes on all high octane fuel.


32 posted on 12/19/2012 5:46:25 AM PST by servantboy777
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It’s easier to get a gun in Delaware than anywhere else in America I would bet.

Delaware turns bluer every year but there’s one county, Sussex, that is RED as a heart and filled, FILLED, with hunters and n’er do well tea party types. We are the ones who threw Mike Castle outta there, just for the record.

If Joe Biden leads on gun control, hell, that makes me happy. It will make the Dems taking over this state the bad guys.

Cause gun control will NEVER go over in Sussex county Delaware....damn, even I, a former hippie and child of the 60’s, got a gun last year. It’s one of the best things I’ve ever done.


33 posted on 12/19/2012 5:55:52 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: newfreep

“The problem is our societal glorification of violence and death” which is forced on us by those that control the media and the movies and the music, for the purpose of convincing us to agree to be disarmed because of the horrors they create.


34 posted on 12/19/2012 6:19:08 AM PST by DBrow
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Our problem is that liberals believe that a sign decreeing that no weapons are allowed is a legitimate defense against a determined killer.

Ever wonder why the original term was “going postal”? In part, it’s because the Post Office was the original “no gun” zone.


35 posted on 12/19/2012 6:37:35 AM PST by MortMan (I will be true to my principles.)
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36 posted on 12/19/2012 6:53:16 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: Innovative

Besides elected officials and the MSM, has anyone seen any mass outcry for more gun control from the public at this point? Some if the most liberal people I know have not said a word publicly about gun control at this point.

Yes, we did have the libs on Twitter calling for shooting NRA members, but besides that.


37 posted on 12/19/2012 6:54:07 AM PST by matt04
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The Democrat Party enabled “gun free zone” mass murders.
The blood of the victims is on Dem Party hands.

Evil is: We disarmed you so you are sitting ducks for nut cases. Our solution is nut case mass murders of sitting ducks? Why it is to make more of you sitting ducks.

Go far enough down the Dem Party road and we end up with situations like Red China, USSR, Pol Pot Cambodia, etc etc REALLY mass murders.

What is Obaba REALLY planning to do with his billions of hollow point bullet ammo? Illegal to use by the military (Geneva Convention bans them).

Would you trust Obama with a couple billions rounds of “dum-dum” bullets that can only be legally used on U.S. citizens?


38 posted on 12/19/2012 7:03:02 AM PST by OldArmy52 (The question is not whether Obama ever lies, but whether he ever tells the truth.)
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Would you trust Obama with a couple billions rounds of “dum-dum” bullets that can only be legally used on U.S. citizens?>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I guess that explains the run we have witnessed on fire arms sales since 2008.

The people are getting ready to face down an out of control, unresponsible government that reperesents no one but itself.

And there is no question who will blink first. Thats when the shite will hit the proverbial fan.

Committees of Safety need to be organized in every county across the nation. And we will just refuse to obey laws which are unconstitutional.


39 posted on 12/19/2012 7:15:33 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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"From now on, in all the places where there is a sign announcing a 'gun free zone' we will require that the text 'Criminals- this means you too' to be added in big bold letters"
40 posted on 12/19/2012 7:17:34 AM PST by Mr. K
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It’s easier to get a gun in Delaware than anywhere else in America I would bet.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Nope. The easiest place is Vermont or Wyoming.


41 posted on 12/19/2012 7:18:58 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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.....then they came and confiscated your circa 1763 Charleville flintlock.....

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42 posted on 12/19/2012 7:39:50 AM PST by devolve ( ---- ---- ---- -CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER_CHEESEBURGER- ---- ---- ---- ---- John Belushi ---- ----)
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No discussion of a mental health crisis. It’s a “gun crisis.”


43 posted on 12/19/2012 7:52:22 AM PST by henkster ("The people who count the votes decide everything." -Joseph Stalin)
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44 posted on 12/19/2012 8:23:53 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Eye of Unk

When he starts doing the gun grab and people have their backs to the wall, maybe someone will take his acting like a Third World Dictator seriously and take his eligibility (or lack there of) seriously as well. The guy has pulled the biggest scam in US history and was allowed to do it .... a great source of his arrogance ... he figures if he can do that, he can do anything and no one will stop him.


45 posted on 12/19/2012 8:42:18 AM PST by MissMagnolia
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To: Innovative
So to stop lunatics from using guns, you're going to have-

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46 posted on 12/19/2012 8:45:12 AM PST by mikrofon ("It takes one" approach ...)
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Its about time they reined in these gun nuts!!


47 posted on 12/19/2012 9:36:40 AM PST by mulder1 ("The past is prologue.")
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I’m sure obama’s policies will focus on God, better parenting and on identifying nutcases before they act out.


48 posted on 12/19/2012 10:21:42 AM PST by NoRedTape
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To: Lucky9teen

No word from the media on that story.


49 posted on 12/19/2012 10:24:43 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Lucky9teen
While the NRA has been largely quiet, the national debate over guns is reaching a new high — some calling for stricter control; others for more access.

While the media is in full press mode, it's the same old small number of the same old people using the tragedy to call for the same old "gun control" "solutions" - they think that this time there will be a groundswell of popular opinion and that this will be a tipping point for their side.

There is no groundswell, people hear the news about "violence" in their cities and know that "gun control" is not the answer and not going to do anything well armed and protected hypocritical politicians and media "superstars" tell them about guns. Guns and ammo sales are the best prof of that.

Actually, it's great that they might spend next two years talking about gun control and violence, and that they will enlist so-called "conservative Democrats" like Harry Reid and others to "come out" in favor of gun control - this will strip any pretense during 2014 mid-term elections, and they'll be voted out of the office in the conservative districts and states.

The issue has been a loser for them, more so in recent years than before, and there is no government "giveaways" here, just government restrictions. There is a reason why they stayed awsy from this theme, but now Obama and Feinstein will drag them back into the swamp of "gun control" and the "conservative, pro-gun" Democrats may not be able to get out of it scot-free this time.

I'd love for them to keep having this "discussion" (and of mental illness, OTC or over-prescribed drugs, gory violence in the games, rap/hip-hop songs and Hollywood movies content, etc.) for the next two years while people are having to deal with the consequences of ObamaCare, taxes, regulations and mandates and failed economic and foreign policy.

This is great development - bring it on!

50 posted on 12/19/2012 11:27:21 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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