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The God Complex
Canada Free Press ^ | December 17, 2012 | Mike Jensen

Posted on 12/17/2012 10:06:40 AM PST by Perseverando

I think I have the Progressive/Socialist/Communist movement figured out, and the answer is God. Surprised? Read on.

Humans have an instinctive desire to believe in something bigger than themselves—something all-knowing, all-seeing, all-powerful, that can make everything right when nothing seems to go right.

Ask any anthropologist or archaeologist, and he or she will tell you that pretty much every culture in the history or humankind has had a set of beliefs regarding a god or gods. We westerners are most familiar, of course, with the ancient Greek and Roman gods, but every civilization from the ancient Assyrians and Babylonians to modern-day tribesmen hidden deep in the Amazon jungle have complex and deeply-held religious beliefs.

Heck, even comic book super heroes are god characters. Think about it: Superman, Batman, Spiderman and their comic book comrades all have super powers that they use to fix the wrongs in the world that we mere mortals cannot fix. There’s no difference between that and any other religious belief. It is understood (by most) that these comic book super heroes are fictional, but in a minute we’ll see how some think people that ALL religious deities are fictional.

Now, there could be several explanations for this instinctive desire to believe in an all-powerful being. It could be that humans just can’t comprehend all of the evil that exists in this chaotic world, and the only way we can survive emotionally when we experience terrible things is to believe that somewhere “out there” is a being who is in control of things and who will eventually make things right.

On the other hand (and I will be up front here and tell you that this is what I believe), it could be that this instinct was planted in our souls by God Himself as a

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If someone believes there is no God, how can he believe that there are rules of right and wrong that apply to himself? The rules only apply if you're caught. But then, they are someone elses rules. (Just thinking out loud.)
1 posted on 12/17/2012 10:06:49 AM PST by Perseverando
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To: Perseverando

The problem is for those who don’t believe in God is not that they believe nothing, but that they’ll anything.

Fascism, Communism, all kinds of evil ideologies fill the God-shaped gap in such peoples’ lives.


2 posted on 12/17/2012 10:10:08 AM PST by Shadow44
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To: Perseverando

This instinct wasn’t planted in our “souls” by “God.” It is implanted on our brains by the fact that the first year of an infant human’s life, it is completely dependent upon a god-like creature (usually called “Mom”) that comes when you cry out, looms over you, seems all-powerful, and takes care of all your needs. That’s a full year of training, folks. After that, you pick your new parent. God. The State. Nature. Whatever.


3 posted on 12/17/2012 10:10:46 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Perseverando
We westerners are most familiar, of course, with the ancient Greek and Roman gods

What an incredibly STUIPD statement.

4 posted on 12/17/2012 10:13:26 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Perseverando
Most people are asking, It could be anything, that would drive a person to do such as this.
If you really want to understand it, you have to go to the Bible.
Most people don't want to admit "there is a GOD", our "Heavenly Father", and His Son, "Jesus Christ".
But don't excuse EVIL.

I'll recommend the following: These booklets will help some to understand.
But most won't listen.
And most that do listen, won't believe.
And of those that DO BELIEVE, most won't
5 posted on 12/17/2012 10:13:48 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: Yosemitest

What are you trying to say?

Evil exists in every individual. There are believers who do evil. The only sin or evil that God says ends in death is disbelief. Disbelief separates a person from eternal life - i.e., death.

In the meantime, we are called to love one another. The 2nd greates commandment.

Mental illness is not a manifestation of evil. It is a manifestation of a physical condition of the brain. God isn’t calling anyone to judge someone else’s spritual condition. He says that is His.


6 posted on 12/17/2012 10:34:46 AM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: a5478
You need to read your Bible.
7 posted on 12/17/2012 10:42:23 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: A_perfect_lady
This instinct wasn’t planted in our “souls” by “God.” It is implanted on our brains by the fact that the first year of an infant human’s life, it is completely dependent upon a god-like creature (usually called “Mom”) that comes when you cry out, looms over you, seems all-powerful, and takes care of all your needs.

That's an interesting narrative and I'm sure you find it comforting, but do you have any proof to back it up?

8 posted on 12/17/2012 10:47:10 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: loboinok

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9 posted on 12/17/2012 10:55:40 AM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: ArGee
It's pretty obvious when you think about it. Just look at human behavior the way it actually is for a minute. Remove all the pre-conceived explanations from your mind (like God. If you start with the assumption that God *must* be involved, you won't see it.)

Now ask yourself: why do people always look outside themselves for guidance, help, and answers? Obvious answer: that's what they've been trained to do since they drew their first breath.

10 posted on 12/17/2012 10:56:02 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Perseverando
The article is full of it

for starters

1) Libertarianism, the opposite of Communism is an Atheistic Philosophy and they certainly don't want Big Government

2) Black of all the races are the most religious, followed by Hispanics. They are also the two groups that like a big all powerful government the most

11 posted on 12/17/2012 11:02:23 AM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Perseverando
socialism and communism are and always will be utter failures.

Leftists know exactly how socialism and communism turn out. If a vain person wants to lesson their painful feelings of envy, from their perspective socialism and communism work every time. Many conservatives don't get leftists because they don't understand what makes them tick. Leftist goals are the very opposite of conservative goals of success and prosperity.

12 posted on 12/17/2012 11:02:39 AM PST by Reeses
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To: Perseverando

There is far more to it than that.

A recurring theme in the Bible is that of what could be called “Lucifer’s sin”, imagining that if one could elevate themselves, that they could be “as God”. It was the one thing that consistently merited punishment from God.

Taking over in Lucifer’s footsteps, time and again humans have tried to imagine themselves at the center of things, and been punished for it, and the socialists are no different.

Much of socialism is actually a *parody* of the early chapters of the Bible, different in that they rewrite the story so that God is not there, instead man is at the center of things.

But it is much abbreviated. They devote much of their philosophy to a single thing: the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. They see it as the downfall of mankind, leading to civilization and history.

And they figure if they can just spit out that bite, and renounce good and evil and history, they will return to their version of the Garden of Eden, which they have renamed the State of Nature.

Incredibly stupid. But it is their faith.


13 posted on 12/17/2012 11:11:50 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Obvious answer: that's what they've been trained to do since they drew their first breath.

That's only the most obvious answer if you start with the pre-conceived explanation like "there is nothing but what I can see."

Man-invented gods make sense, animals, super-men with anger management issues, the planet itself. The need to find something more takes a different explanation.

It's fine for you to have your narrative, of course. The author of the article told us that his narrative was his own belief, he didn't ask us to accept it as fact. You should not ask us to accept yours as fact either.

Because it's not obvious to me.

14 posted on 12/17/2012 11:19:58 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Shadow44

15 posted on 12/17/2012 11:25:00 AM PST by Perseverando (Gun control? It's really not about gun control is it? It's really about PEOPLE CONTROL!)
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To: Perseverando

“On the other hand (and I will be up front here and tell you that this is what I believe), it could be that this instinct was planted in our souls by God Himself as a way to help His children turn to Him and have faith in Him even though we can’t see Him”

An idea expressed by an apostle of Jesus two thousand years ago.


16 posted on 12/17/2012 11:26:36 AM PST by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: ArGee

Don’t worry, I don’t expect most people to be able to see what I see.


17 posted on 12/17/2012 11:36:12 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: ArGee
An atheist trying to explain right and wrong:

18 posted on 12/17/2012 11:45:34 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: a5478
As mylife wrote:
19 posted on 12/17/2012 12:19:12 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: A_perfect_lady
Don’t worry, I don’t expect most people to be able to see what I see.

Intriguing. There's far more evidence for the existence of God than there is for your narrative. Yet the author who stands by the existence of God is humble, and you are not.

20 posted on 12/17/2012 12:48:33 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
If you start with the assumption that God *must* be involved, you won't see it.

Conversely, if you start with the assumption that God *can't* be involved, you won't see Him.

21 posted on 12/17/2012 12:57:28 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ArGee

No, I’m not humble at all. I just analyze what I can actually see and look for rational explanations that don’t involve the supernatural. Only certain types of personalities can do this, and you are not one of them. Oh well, right?


22 posted on 12/17/2012 1:07:02 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: ShadowAce

If you have to believe before you can see, there might be a problem with what you are looking at.


23 posted on 12/17/2012 1:08:09 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
Or the problem may lie with you.

I've noticed that you, as a supposedly rational person, tend to leave out the possibilities that you are not comfortable with.

24 posted on 12/17/2012 1:12:07 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

And by the way, you don’t have to start with the assumption that God *can’t* be involved. Just consider the possibility that he isn’t. Can you come up with a rational explanation without Him? I can. If I can come up with a rational explanation that doesn’t require a supernatural element, that is more efficient and more likely than an explanation that does.


25 posted on 12/17/2012 1:13:58 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: ShadowAce

There is nothing irrational in leaving out supernatural possibilities, especially one so inept that he cannot communicate with humanity without using a huge, rambling book and a human sacrifice.


26 posted on 12/17/2012 1:16:43 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
I just analyze what I can actually see and look for rational explanations that don’t involve the supernatural.

Why do you place that restriction on your approach, and why do you assume that people who do not, can not?

27 posted on 12/17/2012 1:18:41 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: ArGee
If you could, you'd try it. I mean, really try it. Once you try it, and you realize how unnecessarily you were complicating your life, how much the world makes sense all by itself, I think you'd run with it.

But maybe not. I'm a little more careful about encouraging people to think for themselves since I noticed the number of Christians who admit that without God they have no sense of right and wrong, and no reason not to turn serial killer, etc...

28 posted on 12/17/2012 1:34:32 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady
You use the word "cannot" and apply it to God?

I think the problem is not what you are looking at, but with you.

29 posted on 12/17/2012 1:43:12 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: A_perfect_lady
If you could, you'd try it. I mean, really try it. Once you try it, and you realize how unnecessarily you were complicating your life, how much the world makes sense all by itself, I think you'd run with it.

I can't imagine why I would want to. From my point of view, you're asking me to reject the colors I see and accept a world of only black and white. The colors may complicate the world (they make clothing more expensive, for example) but they are real and they add a dimension to live I would not willingly reject. But it is only my point of view that a supernatural world is more real than a natural one. I'm willing to engage with you if you are willing to engage with me. But I am asking you to explain yourself, not just assume the superiority of your argument.

But maybe not. I'm a little more careful about encouraging people to think for themselves since I noticed the number of Christians who admit that without God they have no sense of right and wrong, and no reason not to turn serial killer, etc...

Perhaps you would do better to accept each person as an individual and not start off with your prejudices. You don't know whether I have ever had a naturalistic view of the world. And I find your reduction of the Christian argument, both in your replies to me and to others, simplistic and absurd. It surprises me that you would satisfy yourself with that understanding of something you reject.

P.S. I have heard many Christians say to unbelievers, "If you would just try Jesus you would understand." I know some have come to Him that way, but I reject that as a primary approach to discussion. I would expect you to reject it, also. Do you find it is ever successful?

30 posted on 12/17/2012 1:49:17 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
the number of Christians who admit that without God they have no sense of right and wrong, and no reason not to turn serial killer, etc...

OK--so explain right and wrong without God. Explain whyright is right and wrong is wrong.

Explain, for example, why killing the woman who is sleeping with your husband is wrong, when (according to Darwin), it is merely preserving your genetic line.

Why is theft wrong if it means you "get ahead" in life? You're just adapting to circumstances and ensuring your family does better--thus continuing your line.

31 posted on 12/17/2012 1:52:03 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
I think the problem is not what you are looking at, but with you.

An itinerant preacher friend of mine tells the story of his life falling apart and his frustration with God. He talks about the night he cried out to God saying, "God, I am so TIRED of you being INVISIBLE."

He says he heard a clear reply from God that night. He says God told him, "I am not invisible, you are blind."

BTW: If you're interested in learning more about him or from him, check out http://www.mcleanministries.org/. Don't let his redneck Mississippi accent throw you.

32 posted on 12/17/2012 1:52:50 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: ArGee
It may be a matter of personality. I LIKE simple. I like black and white. I like minimalism. So much of what people call "color" and "complexity" just looks like frills and drama to me.

As for a primary approach to discussion, in this last year I have, for the most part, abandoned discussion with religious people. I only commented on this thread because I hoped that some lurker who has considered my explanation would see it and know that they are not alone. Trying to discuss religion with the religious is like trying to discuss socialism with a liberal. It never leads to anything but a cul-de-sac.

33 posted on 12/17/2012 2:09:23 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Yosemitest

You take one senetence from a whole chapter and use it to judge Christians? The message from the chapter is for Christians to withstand the judgement of the unsaved. It is an encouragement. He points out the rewards of God’s gospel so that persecuted Christians would realize God’s judgement is for them.

Those that “obey not the gospel of God” or unbelievers. The gospel is the good news. The first law is to love the Lord your God and have no other Gods before him. The gospel is that of God’s grace through Jesus. It is a call of love. It is that which makes us perfect, not our own perfection.


34 posted on 12/17/2012 2:09:40 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: ShadowAce

I use the law as my guideline. It works well enough for me.


35 posted on 12/17/2012 2:10:29 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: Yosemitest

I submit that he had a mental illness that went untreated and ignored. It strikes hardest young ment between 26 and 30 something and subsides somewhat with age. He exhibited classic symptoms. Medication intervention would have allowed him a chance and the people he killed a chance.

Something wrong with the chemistry in your brain is not evil. Look at the photos of him as a young boy before the illness manifested. He was overtaken by a cruel disease.


36 posted on 12/17/2012 2:18:01 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Where does the law come from?


37 posted on 12/17/2012 2:26:02 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Humans trying to figure out how to have a decent-running society where we don’t infuriate each other.


38 posted on 12/17/2012 2:27:12 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: a5478
Read your Bible.
Did not God tell us to
Be careful that you are not deceived.
39 posted on 12/17/2012 2:36:08 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: a5478
Says WHO ?

You enable evil with that kind of thinking.
40 posted on 12/17/2012 2:39:03 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: A_perfect_lady

Nope. Try again.


41 posted on 12/17/2012 2:53:28 PM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Yosemitest

I’m afraid we are the cul-de-sac.

You use a portion of a chapter which goes on to say “6 But a brother who has a cause at law against another takes it before Gentile judges. 7 More than this, it is not to your credit to have causes at law with one another at all. Why not put up with wrong? why not undergo loss? 8 So far from doing this, you yourselves do wrong and take your brothers’ property.”

Which is an exhortation to refrain from suing one another
in a court of law. It encourages that perhaps we can settle our differences as Christians, among ourselves, by giving up a little.

An affliction can happen in the brain. It can manifest in many ways. Think how difficult it is to think during a migraine which is a physical manifestation of something wrong. How much more difficult to think if your brain is experiencing a chemical imbalance?


42 posted on 12/17/2012 3:06:51 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: Yosemitest

Yes, in the Old Testament, we were under the law and had to know the law in order to detect evil and put it from us.

Now we have Christ and his spirit that transforms us and intercedes for us that evil is put away from us.

Is not Christ the shepherd and does he not seek each and every lost sheep? Not just the good and pretty ones, but Every lost sheep.


43 posted on 12/17/2012 3:13:26 PM PST by a5478 (a5478)
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To: ShadowAce

Nope. The answer satisfied me. Whether it satisfies you is immaterial to me.


44 posted on 12/17/2012 3:19:23 PM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: a5478
And how does he redeem SOME of those lost sheep?
Think you, that ALL lost sheep are redeemed?

Think you, God forbid !

A wise man one said in a meeting I attended in person: Don't fall into Satan's deception of believing that God's Laws , The Ten Commandments are done away with.
45 posted on 12/17/2012 5:51:55 PM PST by Yosemitest (It's Simple ! Fight, ... or Die !)
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To: A_perfect_lady
It may be a matter of personality. I LIKE simple. I like black and white. I like minimalism. So much of what people call "color" and "complexity" just looks like frills and drama to me.

I certainly understand your desire to have the world be one way. Just remember a desire is not a proof. My original objection was not that you are not religious, but that you are closed to the possibility that you may be wrong.

I may be wrong, but I don't think being closed minded is a virtue.

47 posted on 12/18/2012 5:02:33 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: A_perfect_lady
The answer satisfied me.

OK--so you're not quite the rational being you think you are. You stop looking when you think you have an answer that may satisfy you. That type of approach, while quite popular, is not the definition of rationality, nor of a seeker of truth.

Also remember--what is legal may not always be right.

48 posted on 12/18/2012 6:06:19 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

Occam’s Law: the simplest answer is usually the right one.


49 posted on 12/18/2012 7:04:12 AM PST by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

Agreed. A universe without a God is not the simplest answer.


50 posted on 12/18/2012 7:07:14 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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