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Newtown Shooter Had Asperger Syndrome, And Some US Gun Facts
Zero Hedge ^

Posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:53 AM PST by Perdogg

As we reported last night, buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut
KEYWORDS: aspergers; autism; disorders; guncontrol; lanza; psychiatry; secondamendment
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To: gaijin

You bet it’s fashion. Heck, they even vote on new maladies:

“After more than a decade of discussion and often heated debate, the Board of Trustees of the American Psychiatric Association voted in Arlington, Va., over the weekend to approve the fifth edition of the group’s “Diagnostic and Statistical Manual for Mental Disorders” or DSM-5, the official guide to classifying psychiatric illnesses.”

Unfortunately, there are true believers among us into the religion of psychiatry and over-medication.


41 posted on 12/15/2012 11:01:32 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: BwanaNdege

Try putting your snakes down and doing a little reading. Then we can talk.


42 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:35 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: BwanaNdege

Try putting your snakes down and doing a little reading. Then we can talk.


43 posted on 12/15/2012 11:03:53 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Perdogg

The so called facts in this “news story” do not add up.
The boy’s father worked for GE, in charge of taxes owed, in 2011 GE didn’t pay any. The weapons were reported to belong to his mother. A woman with a military style bushmaster .223 M4 carbine, a police model Glock and Sig Sauer, really? And he had the ID of a brother he had not seen in two years, on him.
All this in a State with strict gun control laws, and right after the re-election of the Man behind fast and furious.


44 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:09 AM PST by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Kansas58
Mental illness is real.

Yep. like the "recovered memory syndrome". It wasn't fashion, no siree!

45 posted on 12/15/2012 11:04:58 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Perdogg

Ok, if he did have asperger’s, here is my thought on that from someone with professional and personal experience with asperger’s. kids with it feel hurt deeply, but have trouble feeling empathy. How they are raised would be key to whether they would be loving, empathetic adults. With asperger’s they need to LEARN empathy like others learn mathematics.

These kids are often tortured by peers at schools. A divorce or other hard family issues can be devastating to them because they will internalize the hurt and not get over it as easily as others.

Many many many kids have asperger’s today. Parents need to do their best to develop deep attachments in them, and remove them from school settings if things are not going well. All children deserve lose and respect, even those with serious behavior problems.

Asperger’s kids can be very very difficult to raise. They can bring out strong heavy negative feelings in their parents. They can say and do things as children that are just horrible and uncaring, and the parents need to be adult and not respond to what the child is pooping out his mouth, out of normal anger that he doesn’t know how to get rid of, but to love him and explain t him why “we don’t act like that” because he won’t be intuitive like other kids.

Parenting is hard. Parenting an aspie is 10x harder.

Now we see how important it is for parents to have loving support while they raise such a child.

Everyone, if you see someone struggling with a tantruming older child, 6-17, please no longer say to her “that is the worst behaved kid I’ve ever seen!” Or “that boy just needs the belt!” All you do is make the poor mom feel like a failure and she will be harsher on a disabled person, possibly closing off his emotions.

Autism is an epidemic due to something in our environments. Maybe the multitude of infant vaccines. Who knows? And these highly functioning kids need to be loved and attached securely in order to learn empathy. They need to learn to love and be loved.

Help these parents. If you know someone, be a sounding board to them, allow them to offload their negative emotions once their kid is in bed for the night. Take them out and help them vent. Make them feel competent. Let them know how hard it is to parent someone with a behavior disorder.

If this post stops a few people from horribly prejudging parents dealing with an impossibly behaving child, and maybe helps some, I am grateful. We don’t need more monsters growing up.


46 posted on 12/15/2012 11:07:25 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: BwanaNdege

Dude, a true believer will not enlighten you, you just gotta believe, that’s all! (See above.)


47 posted on 12/15/2012 11:08:19 AM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: Wordkraft
I think this is all getting overly complex.

If you are crazy (a wide generic, but fitting term), you should not be left to live in the normal populace left up to your own devices.

How to identify someone who is crazy? Well, as many have pointed out, it needs to come from the observations and willingness of the close friends/family to speak out and alert people, authorities, that can help the ill person.

We also certainly should have institutes and asylums reestablished, rather than checking people out, patting them on the back and sending them back into the populace as ticking time bombs.

I'm not making any connection to Autism here, I'm largely ignorant on the subject, but whatever sub-label you want to give it, I'm of the opinion, crazy is crazy bipolar, schizophrenic, clinically depressed, etc.

Reopening institutes is key, keeping family deeply involved even when such people are committed, and have oversight as to limit the nurse-ratchet types from abusing patients are all steps in the right direction (funny, like a lot of things, we used to do all this before the progressive take-over 50 years ago)

Finally for those that fall through the cracks, as many a freepers have stated, the only defense left is to make sure the innocents have protection of their own, and that the general populace is armed and trained to be armed safely.

48 posted on 12/15/2012 11:13:45 AM PST by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore...)
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To: PLMerite; Gunslingr3
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49 posted on 12/15/2012 11:14:16 AM PST by lonevoice (Today I broke my personal record for most consecutive days lived)
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To: gaijin
And then it runs in time; first it’s bipolar...everyone is bipolar....now it’s ASPERGER’S.

I've seen Asperger Syndrome up close and personal in *two* relatives.Neither of them have ever killed anybody...or even tried to...but,sad to say,they're both very,*very* strange.And spooky for that matter.Just watch Rain Man and remember that both are almost as weird as he was.Brains can malfunction just like hearts,lungs,livers and kidneys.The difference is that when a brain malfunctions the result can be mass murder.

No,I'm not making excuses.I'd want to see him fry just as I hope to see Major Nidal fry.Too bad that CT just repealed their DP...but he might qualify under the Federal DP.

50 posted on 12/15/2012 11:14:28 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Yaelle

What do you think about an Aspie parent raising an Aspie child? I have family in this situation and wonder what you might have to say about it.


51 posted on 12/15/2012 11:16:04 AM PST by Abigail Adams
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To: gaijin
Oops...forgot! The kid's already dead.
52 posted on 12/15/2012 11:16:45 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: Yaelle; Springfield Reformer
Unfortunately two of the biggest obstacles to proper diagnosis and treatment of mental illness reside outside the mental health system. Family members and snake handling, Bible thumping neanderthals who want to blame chemical imbalances and brain dysfunction on the devil do no one any good. They should be avoided by both consumers and providers as they rapidly become part of the problem as opposed to becoming part of the solution.
53 posted on 12/15/2012 11:17:34 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Perdogg
Where is God At Times Like These? A meditation in the wake of a violent atrocity [Prayer Ping]

We need to pray for everyone concerned, the shooter, the children, the adults who died trying to protect them and the parents of the dead.

54 posted on 12/15/2012 11:18:47 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

That should be “family members in denial”.


55 posted on 12/15/2012 11:19:21 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Abigail Adams
What do you think about an Aspie parent raising an Aspie child? I have family in this situation and wonder what you might have to say about it.

Seeing what I've seen of Asperger's that has the potential for disaster written all over it.What I've seen is normal parents with Asperger kids and that's been pretty damn ugly I can tell ya!

56 posted on 12/15/2012 11:19:51 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Benghazi: What Did Baraq Know And When Did He Know It?)
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To: swamprebel
swamprebel wrote:

"A woman with a military style bushmaster .223 M4 carbine, a police model Glock and Sig Sauer, really?

My wife owns an AR-15, a J-Frame, S&W .38, and a Sig P938. I don't find that so unusual...

57 posted on 12/15/2012 11:22:10 AM PST by Magnatron
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To: Magnatron

It would seem that a couple of hours at the local shooting range would be an amazing educational experience for many.


58 posted on 12/15/2012 11:24:31 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Hope and Change has become Attack and Obfuscate.)
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To: Perdogg

We long for an easy solution or answer to this....but there is none. We have over 300,000,000 people in this country. Statistics teach us that they aren’t all going to be the same. Some of them are going to be insane. Why did this guy kill kids? Why do some people cover themselves with their own feces? They are insane. Can we prevent this from happening again? Sure. Build a bulletproof bubble for every school kid. That would prevent them from being shot. But, some high-functioning insane person would figure out how to kill the kids with poison or fire or water. And who would pay for all those bulletproof bubbles? There would be Unintended Consequences.. Every decision we make and every action we take have a cost.
I used to argue for gun control. I don’t anymore. After Waco, I’m way more worried about Democrats than one insane individual. Bill Clinton and the Democrat controlled government planned and executed an operation using American military armored fighting vehicles against American citizens. Innocent children were killed in a government operation that they knew would be risky. We have more to fear from Democrats than from one insane individual.


59 posted on 12/15/2012 11:27:02 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: albionin

A schizophrenic should not be allowed to purchase a gun. Period.


60 posted on 12/15/2012 11:27:57 AM PST by DesertRhino (ofx was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office.)
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