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How 'genius' honor student Adam Lanza became masked killer
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Posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:53 AM PST by BunnySlippers

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To: BunnySlippers

I think it was pointed out the shooter did not own the weapons, but his mother did. IOW, he may have been crazy, but he didn’t own a gun either. It’s assumed his mother was not crazy, so what would you do? Disarm her or anybody else related to a crazy person, just to be “safe?”


51 posted on 12/15/2012 9:32:15 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Obama considers the Third World morally superior to the United States.)
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To: Travis McGee
But kids didn’t walk into kindergartens, solo, and blast 20 small children. That is 100% new.

The "kid" was 20 years old, IE an adult. Adults killing kids is, unfortunately, nothing new, even if charging into a school is.

BTW, girls play many of these games and watch many of these movies too. Why aren't they charging into classrooms and shooting up the place before killing themselves? Maybe it's time to stop blaming race, religion, political affiliation, etc., and start asking why so many males are doing this?

52 posted on 12/15/2012 9:34:31 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: BunnySlippers

It’s not unusual that the left seizes on this tragedy to urge `throwing the baby out with the bath water.’ They do it every time.
There are 300 million Americans and about 90 million responsible gun owners. About half the country sees the Bill of Rights as negotiable. I don’t have the citation for those figures but believe they are close.
A handful of Americans with mental problems meet irresponsible gun owners and a perfect storm results. Those are the problems right there: mental disease and irresponsibility. Liberalism is a mental disease and liberals—by definition—are irresponsible, fiscally and morally.
If the left wants a cataclysmic storm (def. a momentous and violent event marked by overwhelming upheaval and demolition; broadly: an event that brings great changes) they can keep banging their little drums.
`Gun control’ isn’t about guns. It’s about control. We all know that. And just as Mr. Day-oh! urges his Lord and Savior to jail conservatives, there are many of us who believe liberals should be (clearing throat) controlled.

Thanks for bringing us together, pResident Obama! Rant over.


53 posted on 12/15/2012 9:35:43 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives. "A long train of abuses and usurpations.")
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To: chris37

“Does the federal government have crazy people in it?”
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Ol’ Joe down at the sawmill said, “Iffen sum ubbem ain’t crazy, they shore is some danged good actors.”


54 posted on 12/15/2012 9:36:02 AM PST by RipSawyer (I was born on Earth, what planet is this?)
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To: niteowl77

If you read this thread, which clearly you did not. And you are trying, and succeeding to be a wise*** but I said people are capable of understanding their situation accordingly.

Are you a single parent with a handgun that you leave in a drawer? Is your toddler able to reach that drawer? We have seen this a lot in recent years.

But I doubt you can grasp that nuance.


55 posted on 12/15/2012 9:36:32 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: lurk
Is there something common about random mass killers? Something they share? I guessed it before reading the story, and then yep, there it is, his parents are divorced and the father is out of the home. No healthy connection with a father. It has destroyed our inner cities, and now it is in the burbs. But we’ll look past that and blame the guns.

Bingo. The libs have been attempting to use government-control as a replacement for self-control for 50 years. It fits within their exaltation of the group and the diminution of the individual. We are now seeing the results.

56 posted on 12/15/2012 9:36:36 AM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: RitaOK
that to fire they should be owner coded to fire.

That sure would have screwed up me using my brother's pistol to thwart a robbery, or my daughter using my pistol to kill a rattlesnake.

All of my family knows everyone else's weapons and will use them as required. Don't go throwing a wrench into the works because you are scared.

/johnny

57 posted on 12/15/2012 9:37:53 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Cyber Liberty

Read the thread. I can’t help you beyond that.


58 posted on 12/15/2012 9:37:56 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: chris37
Photobucket Crazy people in government?
59 posted on 12/15/2012 9:38:23 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: BunnySlippers

What do you want to do to daddy?


60 posted on 12/15/2012 9:38:32 AM PST by deport
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To: BunnySlippers
The GOP is going to have to frame this as a “mental health” and “gamer” issue to fight off gun control.

Asperger_syndrome
The selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) fluoxetine, fluvoxamine, and sertraline have been effective in treating restricted and repetitive interests and behaviors.[1][2][48]

Sedative side-effects in school-age children[93] have ramifications for classroom learning. Individuals with AS may be unable to identify and communicate their internal moods and emotions or to tolerate side effects that for most people would not be problematic.[94]

It was not the guns, but the un-managed pharmaceuticals

61 posted on 12/15/2012 9:38:32 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: chris37

The gov’t will decide what is crazy. Being conservative will constitute being crazy. Also the healthcare law will make it mandatory to report gun ownership and anything the the gov’t healthcare workers deem as crazy will be reported and then the guns will be taken away.


62 posted on 12/15/2012 9:39:45 AM PST by Rusty0604
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To: BunnySlippers

Crazy people already aren’t allowed to have guns.

The boy was not concerned with laws. Only those who obey laws are concerned with laws.

I’m sure his mother was a responsible gun owner, she just found it harder to be as responsible for her guns after she was dead.

No responsible gun owner was responsible for those crimes, and no crazy gun owner was responsible for those crimes.

What’s so patheticaly sad about the human mind is that in cases such as this, where a horrible crime is committed and the criminal kills himself, the human mind then seeks to punish those who were not involved at all.


63 posted on 12/15/2012 9:41:18 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: lurk

The parents did not divorce until he was 17.


64 posted on 12/15/2012 9:41:22 AM PST by KansasGirl ("If you have a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."--B. Hussein Obama)
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To: Cyber Liberty

No, you don’t disarm the mother, but clearly, if her son is shown to have had a long history of violent mentally disturbed tendencies...can we at least place some legal blame on her for not securing her weapons?

Just putting it out there for discussion. Individual responsibility is the key...hers as well as this monster son of hers.


65 posted on 12/15/2012 9:42:17 AM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: BunnySlippers
You are making the classic error that conservatives make when dealing with liberals.

You are confusing their text with their pretext. They want to grab your guns. Nobody really cares about these tragedies.

Look at the Monster who "doesn't want his daughter punished with a baby," who's the most radial pro-abortionist in politics-ever--and who coolly ignores the children dying of gun wounds from illegal guns in his old neighborhood in Chicago. Let's count up the children killed in his home neighborhood in 2012. He didn't shed any tears about them...

They will not be appeased by your concern because they are cold blooded ghouls who dream only of more power.

And they long to see us as helpless as possible.

Frankly, this is the popular culture's fault. I'll bet this guy was into the vicious porn on Comedy Central...

66 posted on 12/15/2012 9:42:17 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: BunnySlippers

I’ll say one thing, Dad sure did a GREAT JOB of climbing the corporate ladder. Fantastic - lives in a multimillion dollar home with his new hottie.

Meanwhile, I wallow away at ground level with my kids.

...and would I trade places with him...LOL


67 posted on 12/15/2012 9:42:44 AM PST by BobL (Did you know that the Chinese now buy close to twice as many new cars as Americans each year?)
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To: BunnySlippers
We have seen this a lot in recent years.

Horsecrap. Give me a reference to a number of toddlers getting ahold of firearms and being injured.

/johnny

68 posted on 12/15/2012 9:43:43 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: deport

I cannot help you. Wow that you don’t not understand even that clear issue.


69 posted on 12/15/2012 9:45:24 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: baddog 219

LOLOL :D


70 posted on 12/15/2012 9:47:45 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Rusty0604

Indeed. That is exactly where we are going.


71 posted on 12/15/2012 9:48:33 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RitaOK
that to fire they should be owner coded to fire...

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So, if an intruder invades my home while I am not there and my wife got to one of my weapons, it would be useless.

And, if I bought a used weapon, which I have, some entity would have to change the owner coding. Who would that entity be?

72 posted on 12/15/2012 9:48:33 AM PST by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

A lot. You apparently do not read. All appear to be urban issues. And I pity you.


73 posted on 12/15/2012 9:50:37 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BillyBonebrake
And so many of these weird little ones get their attitude of smug sarcasm from the Daily Show.

Still, fifteen is a little young to give up on him. A lot of decent kids have to go through some obnoxious years.

74 posted on 12/15/2012 9:51:19 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: chris37

By all account he was strange, difficult or weird. As a parent, I might well be concerned.


75 posted on 12/15/2012 9:52:12 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
Give me an annual number. I can find numbers for child drownings, car deaths, etc... give me a number for shootings where children found a firearm. Otherwise, I call horsecrap. Emotional horsecrap, instead of facts.

/johnny

76 posted on 12/15/2012 9:54:14 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BunnySlippers

No we don’t. On the other hand, do we want to allow the left to categorize a broad spectrum of our best and brightest as unfit to own weapons? Ah, no we don’t.

And that’s precisely what they’ll game this to achieve.

If you have an IQ over room temperature, there will be a real danger you’re just too smart and on the verge of being a psycho for you to own weapons.

The Left will never stop until we’re too smart, dumb, rich, poor, politically active, ‘driven’, to own weapons.


77 posted on 12/15/2012 9:54:51 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: penelopesire

Shall we write her a ticket?

The solution to this is to fortify hard targets and make gun free zones illegal.

If you don’t want your kid shot to death while being defensless in a school, then do not send your kid to a defenseless school.

What if instead of a boy with two pistols, 32 mulims armed with machine guns and grenades invaded the school?

Whould people be calling for the illegalization of machine guns, grenades and muslims?

If something means something to you, then defend it and defend it hard. If you’d rather save the cost of defense, then that’s your call and your risk.

We live in a sick world and a sick country.


78 posted on 12/15/2012 9:56:03 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Mamzelle

Agree on the deeper motives. I believe sometime, maybe not this time or the next, there will be a tipping point. I think Conservatives need to be ready.

That, at least is my nature. Do not let them catch you unaware.

I feel I have advanced some issues for consideration. I ‘m sorry you do not agree.


79 posted on 12/15/2012 9:56:48 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: DoughtyOne

DoughtyOne, I have met you a number of times. I know you are smart and thoughtful. When you have time, maybe not now, read the whole thread.

I am fully aware of the slippery slope.

But my fingers are tired. :)


80 posted on 12/15/2012 9:59:23 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
A careless parent is already in line for punishment. There are already laws in place for that; check with a lawyer in your area. Someone who allows a toddler to gain access to a gun and hurts himself or someone else can probably be charged with noncompliance with law, including negligent homicide.
81 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:49 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: chris37

I see your point clearly. It just seems to me that people are being too PC about asking questions about why this mother would be taking her crazy son to shooting ranges? Common sense seems to be out the window these days when it comes to the mentally ill. If we are going to fight the libs from taking our guns, we are going to have to focus on the mental health issue and the rot of society due to their stupid policies. It is one of the ways to back them into a corner IMHO.


82 posted on 12/15/2012 10:01:54 AM PST by penelopesire (TIME FOR OBAMA TO ANSWER FOR BENGHAZI UNDER OATH!!)
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To: BunnySlippers

The answer is to fortify the school.

If the kids mean something to their parents, then the parents should secure them, and I do not mean with door buzzers and cameras, I mean with heavily armed men.

Yes, such security will cost more, so what. The alternative is apparent.

There is no way that I am going to disarm in this society. No way. And I have no intention of further empowering this communist government to control my ability to defend myself or anyone else’s ability to defend themselves from the psychopaths that infest this country and world.

Are you telling me that everyone who is weird or difficult and strange should not have the right to effectively defend themselves from criminals and communists?

If you are scared, then defend yourself. Stop trying to disarm others. You are trading freedom for security, and you will soon have neither as a result of your foolishness.


83 posted on 12/15/2012 10:03:53 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I appreciate your input. And I cannot disagree with anything you have said.

IMO, and I hope I am wrong, someday a rouge president like the one we have now, will capitalize on the fears of the uneducated electorate to make sweeping changes to the Constitution.

I’m trying to have an intelligent discussion about strategy. I hope you can join.


84 posted on 12/15/2012 10:05:18 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Travis McGee

“Then we got the first-person POV combat video games, and kids today are rewired from an early age to visualize and actually enjoy rapidly shooting human-looking “enemies” in front of them.”

I know a man whose son is in 5th grade. This man says his son wants to join the military because he is really good killing people in video games. This man thinks that is just fine, the kid will shine in the military because the kid is so good at those killing games. He says the military has changed and these video games are preparation for that.

Maybe by the time the kid is 18, he will have more sense. I doubt the father will change.


85 posted on 12/15/2012 10:06:39 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Galt is freedom.)
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To: BunnySlippers
I’m trying to have an intelligent discussion about strategy

I'd call it a swing and a miss.

More laws aren't going to stop tragedy.

When you start talking about restricting my right to keep loaded, unlocked firearms, you are wasting your breath.

I won't comply with unConstitutional laws. Period. It may kill me, but I'm ok with that.

/johnny

86 posted on 12/15/2012 10:10:22 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
None of them learned it by playing violent video games

But our children were never taught to kill by making very realistic games out of it like now.

87 posted on 12/15/2012 10:10:37 AM PST by zeebee
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To: BunnySlippers

Okay I will.

BTW, I thought about what such laws could have prevented yesterday.

Once the son decided he wanted to do something like this, he could have overpowered his mom and forced her to open up the gun safe.

Does this mean that nobody with a mentally challenged person in their home should own weapons? And then what constitutes a mentally challenged person?

Somehow we survived not having these sorts of laws for most of our existence as a nation. We also survived not having gun safes.

It seems to me we need to define what has caused this shift, and quit blaming in on easy access to guns. We’ve always had easy access to guns.

I would submit, guns are not the problem, and what we need to focus on is. what is the problem.

I appreciate you not wanting to discuss this right now. That’s okay. I understand where you’re coming from.

Take care.


88 posted on 12/15/2012 10:13:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: zeebee
The shooter was an adult, not a chld.

And girls watch many of these same movies and play many of these same games. Why aren't they charging into schools and movies, shooting up the place, and killing themselves.

Let's stop blaming race, religion, games, and everything else, and start asking why so many males are behaving like this.

89 posted on 12/15/2012 10:14:26 AM PST by TwelveOfTwenty (Ho, ho, hey, hey, I'm BUYcotting Chick-Fil-A)
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To: JRandomFreeper

“All of my weapons are loaded and unlocked. I’ll not ever do as you say. An unloaded weapon is a club.”

I’m glad you are on this thread and I completely agree with you. My Ruger handgun came with a huge padlock. If I put that big lock on that gun, I might as well call a funeral director now for an appointment.

If one needs to use that gun to save one’s life, forget it if it has no bullets or has a big lock on it or the gun is in its separate parts.


90 posted on 12/15/2012 10:15:33 AM PST by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Galt is freedom.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

Over all, “crazy people” are no more violent than normal people. What ever happened to blaming the individual involved for his actions. Sociologizing is a lame lefty game.


Well stated......


91 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:40 AM PST by patriotspride
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To: BunnySlippers
If you read this thread, which clearly you did not.

I did indeed read the thread... and saw all of your comments.

And you are trying, and succeeding to be a wise***

I responded to one of your posts with sarcasm. If that makes me a successful wise-ass, then I plead guilty.

but I said people are capable of understanding their situation accordingly.

Okay.

Are you a single parent with a handgun that you leave in a drawer? Is your toddler able to reach that drawer?

My child managed to survive my gun storage regimen and go on to have four Middle East deployments; he was at Ft. Hood when Nidal Malik Hasan took advantage of Uncle Sam's keeping my him - or any other soldier - from getting into his own drawer.

We have seen this a lot in recent years.

Toddlers being hurt by the ignorance and carelessness of adults is one thing, and having a 20 year old lunatic execute his mother and steal her pistols to commit a crime is quite another. I'll credit you in advance with understanding that nuance.

But I doubt you can grasp that nuance.

I guess I'm just a bit thick that way. In any event, only you know how far you are willing to be bullied or cajoled into compliance with whatever the government decides is best for you. If the actions of a psychotic killer are able to be so easily demagogued into making people voluntarily override the Bill of Rights, then the nation deserves what it gets.

Mr. niteowl77

92 posted on 12/15/2012 10:17:58 AM PST by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty
The shooter was an adult, not a chld.

Children today grow up with violent video games that shape their adult lives. Not all can handle it.

93 posted on 12/15/2012 10:19:01 AM PST by zeebee
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To: DoughtyOne

If I was a mother who owned guns, and I am.

I would want to make sure my guns were not going to be used against me if my son was an obvious psychopath. Everyone has to gauge this for themselves. It is an individual judgement.

Maybe she, as a smart woman, thought he was very normal, well adjusted and reasonable.


94 posted on 12/15/2012 10:20:39 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Ok, your opinion. I can accept that.


95 posted on 12/15/2012 10:21:33 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I’m willing to give concessions to try to keep crazy people from getting them and/or securing your guns so crazies can’t get them.

Wow, take away some one elses rights but don't touch mine.

I've yet to see you define crazy, what is it and what if others disagree?

The 2nd Amendment is a God Given right that the Constitution reads "shall not be infringed"

You want to change it, follow the procedures outlined in it. Don't come up with subjective feel good laws that you think will some how leave you untouched at the expense of others.

96 posted on 12/15/2012 10:23:43 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: chris37

Is there anyone who is so psychotic and pathological that you would say, “don’t let that man have a gun”?

If not, then your position is clear. But it denies mental illness. I assume you do not think anyone is mentally ill, right?


97 posted on 12/15/2012 10:25:34 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Is there anyone who is so psychotic and pathological that you would say, “don’t let that man have a gun”?

If not, then your position is clear. But it denies mental illness. I assume you do not think anyone is mentally ill, right?


98 posted on 12/15/2012 10:27:10 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers
I can accept that.

You don't get a choice. I'll not be disarmed by emotional crybabies.

/johnny

99 posted on 12/15/2012 10:27:36 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Travis McGee

Much early warfare involved killing men, women & children - whole villages. It was meant to instill terror and break the will.

I think these shooters have an “I’ll show them” mentality - losers who can’t bear the blow to their ego (as well as other trauma, perhaps) that their life has dealt them. I also think there’s a certain “drag them down to my level”, born envy and jealousy.


100 posted on 12/15/2012 10:28:49 AM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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