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How 'genius' honor student Adam Lanza became masked killer
Daily Mail ^ | 12/15/12

Posted on 12/15/2012 8:45:53 AM PST by BunnySlippers

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To: Las Vegas Ron

Thank you kindly, Ron.


151 posted on 12/15/2012 11:15:06 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I think this lady was in deep denial. Kinda like people who own wild chimps or pitbulls. There’s reports in the British press folks knew he was really disturbed. I don’t doubt them. No one has rage li8ke this without showing some red flags.

I’m going to say something no one on this site wants to hear DO...this is a watershed moment for gun control. If someone wants a gun buy it now. The 2nd amendment is going to be amended.


152 posted on 12/15/2012 11:15:41 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Travis McGee
My idea for a poster:

Top panel: Three armed guards loading money bags into an armored car:

Caption: ARMED ... Because they value their livelihood.

Bottom panel: Israeli school teacher with rifle slung across shoulder while watching children.

Caption: ARMED ... Because they value their loved ones.

Many mass-murderers kill themselves or give themselves up without challengin armed responders because they don't want to suffer grevious wounds, prolonged recuperation after extensive surgery, or life imprisonment while confined to a wheelchair. That is why these cowards choose to attack the unarmed and helpless in gun-free-zones.

153 posted on 12/15/2012 11:15:59 AM PST by William Tell
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To: BunnySlippers
7th grade. Sorry if that doesn't fit your world view.

/johnny

154 posted on 12/15/2012 11:16:01 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gilbo_3

Hmmm, not too smart. You cannot punish a corpse.


155 posted on 12/15/2012 11:16:37 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Blackirish

I agree with you BIG TIME. Going to my gun shop next week.


156 posted on 12/15/2012 11:18:16 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Actually, it’s irrelevant.


157 posted on 12/15/2012 11:19:26 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Blackirish

The second amendment won’t be amended. That’s not going to happen. Most of the state legislatures have to approve a constitutional amendment and that’s not going to happen in the foreseeable future.


158 posted on 12/15/2012 11:20:27 AM PST by socialism_stinX (The national government is always the most dangerous organization in every country.)
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To: BunnySlippers

Good. Sorry. Later...


159 posted on 12/15/2012 11:20:40 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: socialism_stinX
A drunk driver killed 26 people when he drove the wrong way on I-71 in Kentucky and hit a schoolbus, back in the 1980s I think it was. I think most of those killed were children but older than the ones killed yesterday in Connecticut. Of course the driver didn't intend to do it, but his victims were still dead. Having laws against driving drunk didn't stop him.

Adam Lanza may have killed more children deliberately yesterday than the 9/11 terrorists did--there were a few children on the planes which were hijacked, but the people in the Twin Towers and the Pentagon at the time were virtually all adults--were as many as 20 children among the victims on 9/11?

Before that you have to go back to the attack on the Branch Davidian compound in 1993...but Bill Clinton wasn't pulling the trigger at close range to kill the children like Adam Lanza was. I don't know what the breakdown was for the Oklahoma City bombings, how many were children and how many adults.

160 posted on 12/15/2012 11:22:21 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: BunnySlippers
Then why did you tell the other poster he couldn't debate if it's irrelevant? Because you don't have facts.

You have emotion, and are willing to strip me of my rights in the hope that you can keep some of yours.

I find appeasers to be abhorrant. Take your appeasment elsewhere. It won't sell in a nation of free men.

/johnny

161 posted on 12/15/2012 11:23:52 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: chris37

I agree with you. At the very least, teachers and school administrators should be armed with Taser guns with a 15-foot range and laser sights so they at least have a chance at disabling an armed attacker. In fact, I’ve read that a high-powered Taser gun is actually more effective than a gun at disabling a person quickly. Teachers should be trained in how to use a Taser gun and then hand-cuff the attacker quickly while he’s disabled. Amazing as it sounds, however, Taser guns are actually illegal in many of the liberal states. The liberal mentality never ceases to amaze me.


162 posted on 12/15/2012 11:25:26 AM PST by socialism_stinX (The national government is always the most dangerous organization in every country.)
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To: chris37

‘Gun free zones’ are neon sign ‘defenseless victim’ zones. And that’s why I’m armed everywhere I go, including the bathroom.


163 posted on 12/15/2012 11:27:08 AM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’ll fight my way. You fight yours.

But you won’t take my arms.


164 posted on 12/15/2012 11:30:19 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

When people who play Mario Kart start tossing banana peels all over the roads, and kids who play Farmville start cutting down forests and cultivating land all over the place, then perhaps I’ll think video games play a role.


165 posted on 12/15/2012 11:30:58 AM PST by Capt. Canuck
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To: Blackirish
I think this lady was in deep denial. Kinda like people who own wild chimps or pitbulls. There’s reports in the British press folks knew he was really disturbed. I don’t doubt them. No one has rage li8ke this without showing some red flags.

I wouldn't be at all surprised.  You could easily be right.

I’m going to say something no one on this site wants to hear DO...this is a watershed moment for gun control. If someone wants a gun buy it now. The 2nd amendment is going to be amended.


I'm not convinced of it.  When these issues come up, Democrats have sometimes surprised me with their responses.  Note the federal assault weapons ban that was allowed to expire.

Here the guy didn't even use an 'assault weapon'.  When all is said and done, there's very little grounds to do anything here.  What are they going to do, banish all handguns and rifles?  Will they banish all semi-automatics?  Will they ban anything other than a single-shot weapon?

And what would they base any of this on, related to this situation?

How do you defend yourself against two or more armed men with a single-shot weapon?  Either we have a right to protect ourselves or we don't.

Democrats from hunting states are headed into a buzz saw here.

166 posted on 12/15/2012 11:32:04 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: BunnySlippers
But you advocate forcing me to keep mine unloaded and locked up. That's a pretty leftist/fascist concept.

Not to mention that you can't make me, regardless of the laws you want passed.

/johnny

167 posted on 12/15/2012 11:33:57 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: BunnySlippers

Yep .... gun control is coming. 20 little kids at once is too much for the nation to handle. It won’t happen overnight but 20 years from now we will look back and see it was this moment where it started.


168 posted on 12/15/2012 11:35:13 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Mmm ... you’re not paying attention. You’re smart, you’re responsible. Let’s keep guns in the hands of smart responsible people.

[I just know you will not agree].


169 posted on 12/15/2012 11:38:45 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: DoughtyOne

I’m not saying I’m for gun control or that it will work. But you know the left ...they are nothing if not patient. They will exploit this like the war on woman or global warming. Did you ever think it would come to the point where a Sandra Fluke could get the federal government to mandate the Church to buy condoms?


170 posted on 12/15/2012 11:41:08 AM PST by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I was thinking out loud, which in my own case has nothing to do with, and is quite apart from my fearlessness. I like my idea better than the inaccessibility of gun locks and safes where no one can get to them. There are disadvantages enough to choose from in all cases.


171 posted on 12/15/2012 11:41:53 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: socialism_stinX

Tasers should be in the array of weapons of school security personal, along with many others.

If people are looking for a way to “prevent this from ever happening again”, then it is time to fortify the Hell out of schools, as well as other fish in the barrel type soft targets sought out by these cowards.

If we refuse to defend our weakest targets, then we are going to be hit again. It is just a matter of time.

I want armed, armored men around the schools. Every school. I want those men supported by plain clothes security systems operators. I want hardened classrooms, with steel doors and locks. I want steel plates in walls. I want an emergency firearm in a box in the classroom accessible by the teacher via access code.

I want the schools to have greater defenses than banks or even jails.

If people want to address this problem in a serious way that will have visible results, then this is the way. Other typical solutions of taking freedoms of those who did nothing are simply power grabbing politicians, and I will not go along with that at all.

I’m tired of playing this game. The solution is to arm. Peace through strength. Idiots like Willie Nelson can kiss my ass. My guns are for self defense and the defense of those whom I love. At this point I have to view any attempt to take them or any talk of taking them as a direct threat.


172 posted on 12/15/2012 11:42:05 AM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RitaOK
I like the idea of not putting stupid laws in place to restrict the right that God gave us.

No safes, locks, or owner recognition codes.

/johnny

173 posted on 12/15/2012 11:47:18 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Blackirish

No, I didn’t. I still believe that will be struck down upon appeal.

Do I think it’s something we should take seriously? Yes.

I still think folks see this call for more gun control to be contrived.

We shouldn’t ignore it though. We should do our best to counter the efforts.


174 posted on 12/15/2012 11:50:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: BunnySlippers
In your post #20 on this thread: "That means locking them up or rendering them unusable. "

I am paying attention. And all your handwaving doesn't distract me from the fact that you advocate taking my rights to try to preserve some of yours.

/johnny

175 posted on 12/15/2012 11:51:02 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: lurk

“Is there something common about random mass killers? Something they share?”

YES, They all played violent video games. If the government is so set on banning something they should start with violent video games. There is absolutely no redeeming value to these games. They serve to desensitize people to death and killing and to teach them to shoot fast and accurate. The Columbine shooters,the Virginia Tech shooter, the Gifford shooter, the movie theater shooter, the mall shooter and yesterdays school shooter are all described as “gamers”.


176 posted on 12/15/2012 11:53:20 AM PST by Josephat
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To: BunnySlippers

glad you figgured that part out...


177 posted on 12/15/2012 11:54:37 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Read the thread.. I have made it clear that everyone needs to adjust according to their circumstances.

I’m calling you out. You’re drunk, or you are looking for an argument. You are a fool!


178 posted on 12/15/2012 11:57:32 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Gilbo_3

So sad you missed it.


179 posted on 12/15/2012 11:58:31 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

He didn’t own guns Bunny... his mother did. He killed his mother and stole her guns to use in the crime. A perfect example of why gun control simply does not work and never will work.

I’ll put forth this thought. Maybe if we can’t trust a person with guns in society due to mental illness, maybe that person shouldn’t be out in society at all. If a person is such a danger to himself and others, maybe we need to institutionalize that person... for his safety and the safety of others.


180 posted on 12/15/2012 11:58:46 AM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Josephat
They all also used toilet paper.

Correlation does not equal causation.

Governments banning things, any things, always leads to bad results.

It's illegal to kill children. He did it anyway. He's dead.

Making more laws is feeding into the socialist, statist morass that will eventually drown you.

/johnny

181 posted on 12/15/2012 11:59:09 AM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: DoughtyOne
Democrats from hunting states are headed into a buzz saw here.

Serious question. Did Obamugabe win a hunting state?

182 posted on 12/15/2012 11:59:17 AM PST by alrea
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To: BunnySlippers
before you even bother to waste more bandwidth on this, how about we lock up the evil, criminally insane, and leave the rest of the citizenry the hell alone ???

IOW, if someone is *too dangerous* to be in proximity of a firearm, or a gallon of gas or etc, then they shouldnt be sharing the sidewalk with me or my kids...

toddlers with guns dont go on murderous rampages, and no amount of emoting will end tragic/negligent deaths...

183 posted on 12/15/2012 11:59:36 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: BCR #226

I can’t go near this. They may lock me up!


184 posted on 12/15/2012 12:00:18 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Gilbo_3

Possibly. You brought it up.


185 posted on 12/15/2012 12:01:27 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: alrea

The Republicans won 24 states. I would suggest that more hunting states exist in the Republican camp, than do the Democrat camp. Once again though, any Democrat representing a hunting state is sticking his neck out here. And I think that gives us the edge.

As others have said, we should not be complacent. We need to push back hard here.

Ref: http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/


186 posted on 12/15/2012 12:03:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: BCR #226

I am a mother. I own guns.

If I had a kid who was psychotic I WOULD DEFINITELY consider keeping my guns from my crazy kid. She did not.

It would have saved her life and that of 20 others. So sad.


187 posted on 12/15/2012 12:05:11 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: PieterCasparzen
There is no way to predict who will commit crimes and prevent them from committing the crimes.

Prediction is a lot easier then prevention. As regards the "outbreak" of school shootings several common factors link the episodes.

The perpetrators are seen as loners who "don't fit in". They often adopt a "Goth" style of dress. They are the subject of ridicule from the "social" and "jock" cliques and tend to associate only with other "outcasts". They are secretive and spend an inordinate amount of time playing video games. They are often on the high end of the bell curve but avoid displaying their high intelligence. Most importantly, they are often receiving prescription psychoactive medication(s).

I believe the two most important characteristics are the video games which create a false reality and the psychoactive drugs which have serious side effects (deep depression, suicide, extreme anger). The increase in the number and severity of school shooting incidents correlates with the increasingly common use of powerful mood altering drugs. Not every child exposed to these drugs displays adverse symptoms and in many cases the symptoms only become apparent when the drugs are abruptly stopped and the child is left to cope with withdrawal cold turkey.

This needs further study before we allow politicians to stampede us into blaming inanimate objects for committing mass murder. Dumbing down our children is bad enough, now the new normal is doping them up.

Regards,
GtG

188 posted on 12/15/2012 12:06:26 PM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: TwelveOfTwenty

“BTW, girls play many of these games and watch many of these movies too.”

Girls, unfortunately, are catching up fast. What about that crazed professor in Alabama? Probably murdered her brother in MA as well. Also, many incidents of truly shocking violence committed by adolescent girls (single perp, single victim)


189 posted on 12/15/2012 12:07:04 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: BunnySlippers

Was he psychotic? I haven’t heard that.


190 posted on 12/15/2012 12:07:59 PM PST by bonfire
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To: BunnySlippers
Neither. But you have advocated for restricting my rights in a 'compromise' to try to preserve some of your rights.

/johnny

191 posted on 12/15/2012 12:08:36 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper

all this emoting by our friend has me thinkin...did this evil nutjob shoot his mommy, or have they specified how she died ???


192 posted on 12/15/2012 12:08:36 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: BunnySlippers

Sure, if they want to lose. I’m a gamer - does that mean I’m going around shooting up people?


193 posted on 12/15/2012 12:09:38 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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To: bonfire

If he wasn’t psychotic, was he crazy or dangerous? Which one of those would cause you to be more dead?

Shades of so called silly “hate crimes”.


194 posted on 12/15/2012 12:10:10 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: JCBreckenridge

No, silly.


195 posted on 12/15/2012 12:11:12 PM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Gilbo_3

Yes, don’t you read?


196 posted on 12/15/2012 12:12:28 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

As far as I know he had no history of being dangerous. No record. The only thing I’ve read is that his brother said he was autistic.


197 posted on 12/15/2012 12:12:34 PM PST by bonfire
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To: bonfire

Well, okay. Let’s go absurdist. Everyone, no matter how insane should have a gun.

Now we agree.


198 posted on 12/15/2012 12:15:56 PM PST by BunnySlippers (Yes, they have. Don't you read?I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers; JRandomFreeper

Guys/gals, this was an interesting thread until you got into this petty flamewar. Please knock it off.


199 posted on 12/15/2012 12:18:22 PM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: BunnySlippers

You just said, ‘blame gamers’. That’s dumb. Blame mental illness, and I’m not even sure of that either - this was planned and premediated. There might be nothing wrong with the shooter other than being a psychopath.


200 posted on 12/15/2012 12:19:05 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind. - John Steinbeck :))
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