How 'genius' honor student Adam Lanza became masked killer

Daily Mail ^ | 12/15/12

[BunnySlippers]

Ms Conte called the ordeal 'sad' for Lanza and his family, and suggested that the violence is a portion of a much larger situation.

'Guns are easy to point to, but it's really a mental health issue.'

[Las Vegas Ron]

Is there anyone who is so psychotic and pathological that you would say, “don’t let that man have a gun”?

Of course, but that is MY subjective opinion.

No, I've, as well as others here, have asked how to define it. And more importantly, who is going to define it.

Who would you trust with the ability to start denying God Given rights to others?

How about a "Rights" tsar?

The real point here us, if you can start taking rights from some because you or a majority think it is okay, especially in view of such a tragedy, then they're really not rights....are they? (FFA 1968 ring a bell?)

[BunnySlippers]

I do not do research on demand. Sorry you do not read the news on a regular basis.

It’s been here on FR and everyone decries the druggie parents. Yet you do not.

[BunnySlippers]

I cannot define it. And I admit it is a difficult issue. Perhaps never surmounted.

[Alas Babylon!]

So, you can’t possible be wrong, is that it?

I disagree, and I’m not wrong. Nana-nana-nyah!

You may as well have the last word (since that’s what this REALLY appears to be what it’s all about—being that you’re right and all). /S

[JRandomFreeper]

I read the news. Enough to know that children having access to firearms is much less of a problem than children left alone in bathtubs.

You can't find any data. So you make your emotional claim.

Anyone willing to give up my freedoms based on their emotion is a petulant facist.

/johnny

[BunnySlippers]

But, the government ... our government, yours and mine, is threatening to take away our arms ... not our bathtubs.

How freaking stupid!!!

[Las Vegas Ron]

I felt under fire BEFORE Obama. During his second term I feel fear for the Constitution.

You mean like, first they came for the crazies but I thought it was a good idea so I supported it.

Then they came for the ones who were of a different political persuasion and found out I was one of them.

But THEY supported it so I guess it was okay...

[BunnySlippers]

I merely I the courage of my convictions. Nothing more.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Bump to an excellent post!

[BunnySlippers]

No, but if you are wedded to that idea ... go with it.

[JRandomFreeper]

And you are supporting that effort. BTW, don't put the banning bathtubs thing away just yet. They've managed to ban toilets that flush and light bulbs that light.

You are basing your willingness to give up MY rights on your emotional reaction to an event. I'll not stand for that.

/johnny

[JRandomFreeper]

the courage of my convictions.

Facts can help. Documented facts, which you seem short on.

/johnny

[socialism_stinX]

Where did the shooter get the first gun that he used to kill his mother? Did his mother lock up her guns properly? If not, she certainly should have kept those guns locked up securely considering the severity of her son's mental problems. Lanza's mother may have enabled this massacre by not locking up her guns securely.

Regarding Mayor Bloomberg's comments: If the killer had instead stolen a UPS delivery truck and killed 26 people by driving it into a classroom, would Bloomberg be calling for tighter controls on commercial trucks? Of course not...instead he's be calling for improved mental health programs and more research into drugs to help mentally ill people. It's so obvious, but I'll say it again: If we make ownership of guns illegal, then only criminals will own guns and criminals of course do not follow the law and will use their guns to terrorize and slaughter the disarmed law-abiding people. Enough said...now settle down Bloomberg and try some logical thinking for a change. Possibly we need a way to prevent mentally-ill people from buying guns, but that has to be done very carefully with a strict definition of who is really mentally ill.

[BunnySlippers]

Hey, my plumber reversed CA law. And I have a closet full of 100 watt light bulbs.

Thank you for reminding me. We have 2 weeks to hoard 75 watt bulbs.

Rage. On your own.

[Las Vegas Ron]

I cannot define it. And I admit it is a difficult issue. Perhaps never surmounted.

Congrats, you have just rendered every argument you have made on this thread...moot!

[BunnySlippers]

Not really. i am merely acknowledging the possibly insurmountable odds.

You do not know g=how to debate.

[BunnySlippers]

Not really. i am merely acknowledging the possibly insurmountable odds.

You do not know how to debate.

[DoughtyOne]

If I was a mother who owned guns, and I am.  I would want to make sure my guns were not going to be used against me if my son was an obvious psychopath. Everyone has to gauge this for themselves. It is an individual judgement.

Yes, I see a duty to protect yourself, and a duty to protect the community as well.  And yes, I do believe folks have to judge these things for themselves.  When all is said and done, we mourn for these kids and adults, and those whose loss of them will be catrastrophic.  I feel a great deal of compassion for them.  None the less, we need to keep things in perspective.

We are a nation of 314 million people.  Of that 314 million, we have about 63 million school age (K-12th) children.  The CIA World Factbook states we have 32,050,686 male and 30,719,945 female children aged 0 to 14.  I believe it is safe to assume that there are roughly the same numbers from 5 to 18.  This year, there will wind up being something like a 0.000063492063% (@40) to 0.000158730159% (@100) chance in one of these kids being harmed during an incident like this.  We simply mustn't develop laws that negatively (restrictively) affect 99.999935% to 99.9998% of our populace, just to remedy a situation that affects so few.

That's not a caliced response.  It's a rational objective response.

Maybe she, as a smart woman, thought he was very normal, well adjusted and reasonable.

I suspect she had a pretty good idea what she had on her hands by that point.  I don't think anyone could forsee things going this wrong or they would have had the kid institutionalized.  (If they could.)

At some point you have to realize that in a population base our size, there is going to be the occasional wing-nut out there.

Was this kid assessed properly?  I'm not convinced, but then can you tell which kid will turn violent and which won't?  Sometimes there are no clear-cut answers.

It's tough to admit to ourselves, but there are some things you can't completely eliminate.  Sometimes life will suck terribly.

As children we had to come to terms with things we didn't like, but had to do anyway.  As adults, this still applies.

We should not accept everything that comes down the pike, but we should be adult enough to determine some things are simply unavoidable, if we wish to remain safe in our own homes, or as we go about our daily lives.  The chances are much greater that we or our family members will be victims of crimes in some manner (and even in this manner), than that one of our kids will die in one of these events.

Gun rights should be expanded to the capable law-abiding citizen, rather than restricted further.

[BunnySlippers]

Straw man.

[Las Vegas Ron]

No, but if you are wedded to that idea ... go with it.

As another poster on this thread pointed out, you meet arguments that illustrate the fallacy of your point with sarcastic dribble.

You're a waste of time, when they come for yours, don't expect a lot of sympathy from those who tried to warn you.