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U.S. Terrorism Agency to Tap a Vast Database of Citizens (Big Brother lives)
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 12/12/12 | Julia Angwin

Posted on 12/13/2012 6:45:08 AM PST by TonyInOhio

Top U.S. intelligence officials gathered in the White House Situation Room in March to debate a controversial proposal. Counterterrorism officials wanted to create a government dragnet, sweeping up millions of records about U.S. citizens—even people suspected of no crime.

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The rules now allow the little-known National Counterterrorism Center to examine the government files of U.S. citizens for possible criminal behavior, even if there is no reason to suspect them. That is a departure from past practice, which barred the agency from storing information about ordinary Americans unless a person was a terror suspect or related to an investigation.

Now, NCTC can copy entire government databases—flight records, casino-employee lists, the names of Americans hosting foreign-exchange students and many others. The agency has new authority to keep data about innocent U.S. citizens for up to five years, and to analyze it for suspicious patterns of behavior. Previously, both were prohibited. Data about Americans "reasonably believed to constitute terrorism information" may be permanently retained.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 1984; bloodoftyrants; communism; corruption; democrats; donttreadonme; fascism; govtabuse; marxism; nctc; obama; obamasfault; orwellian; rapeofliberty; tyranny; tyrant; waronliberty
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Welcome to 1984. You'll learn to love Big Brother, too. Or Else.
1 posted on 12/13/2012 6:45:08 AM PST by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

“Data about Americans “reasonably believed to constitute terrorism information” may be permanently retained.”

Reasonably is subjective.


2 posted on 12/13/2012 6:48:55 AM PST by ILS21R (Everything is a conspiracy. No? You're living in one.)
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To: TonyInOhio

Today, Dec 13, 2012, the Taliban is the friend
of the US gov’t, and the US people who support
the US Constitution are its new enemy.


3 posted on 12/13/2012 6:51:55 AM PST by Diogenesis (Vi veri veniversum vivus vici)
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To: TonyInOhio

But don’t let our military operatives criticize the Taliban...


4 posted on 12/13/2012 6:53:25 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Diogenesis
Yeah, yeah... we got it.

Question is; Now what?

5 posted on 12/13/2012 6:54:29 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: TonyInOhio

It can’t happen here! Why we...........never mind.


6 posted on 12/13/2012 6:56:28 AM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Four more years of destructive non-leadership of America. Pray for our country.)
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To: TonyInOhio

People drawn to careers in government are all about control; it’s their meat and drink, their whole raison d’etre.

They believe they are in a better position to know what’s good for you than you are, yourself, and their aim is to force their beliefs on all others.

It’s a form of mental illness, but it’s extremely prevalent these days, unfortunately.


7 posted on 12/13/2012 7:03:49 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: ILS21R

99% of the posters on FR could reasonably be considered a threat to the current systemic abuse of citizen’s rights perpetuated by the Federal government.

That pretty much covers them I would think.


8 posted on 12/13/2012 7:09:58 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: TonyInOhio

Yes; I get it. Up is Down, Black is White, Tea Party is Bad, OCCUPY ANYWHERE is Good, Union Thugs can beat you black and blue if you’re a Conservative, and IT IS YOUR FAULT, Etc. - Mr. Teleprompter says one thing today, another tomorrow; and take your pick which thing you WANT to believe.


9 posted on 12/13/2012 7:12:28 AM PST by Twinkie
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To: TonyInOhio
Tied with this:
TSA Travel Surveillance
And talks about grabbing guns, the Feds seem to really be trying to close the noose around the necks of the American citizen.

Scary? Possibly. Question is, if things start to look like a coup d'etat, who is going to step forward and put the proverbial bell on the cat?

10 posted on 12/13/2012 7:26:40 AM PST by Tench_Coxe
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To: TonyInOhio

So much for the First and Fourth Amendments; but, then, everyone knows the constitution is dead, anyway, and of little save historical interest.

One wonders if the Founding Fathers ever envisioned an American government which would simply ignore the constitution at its whim...?


11 posted on 12/13/2012 7:35:37 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

They believe they are in a better position to know what’s good for you than you are, yourself, and their aim is to force their beliefs on all others.

Man, you are right on. A perfect description of Nancy Pelosi and others. Mental defects all!


12 posted on 12/13/2012 7:45:34 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: Jack Hammer
One wonders if the Founding Fathers ever envisioned an American government which would simply ignore the constitution at its whim...?

Yes they did. That's why they said the constitution/government would only work with moral, Godly men at the helm. So now we have a country filled with progressive/humanist, mentally defective and morally flawed people and a good portion make up our government.

13 posted on 12/13/2012 7:56:33 AM PST by Bitsy
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To: TonyInOhio

This is what the future holds.

For the entire planet.

For centuries to come.

“But if we fail, then the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science.” - Winston Churchill

We are there.


14 posted on 12/13/2012 8:00:03 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: Resolute Conservative

seems to me the Revolution should commence before 0bama takes delivery of all the 2,500 Assault Vehicles, and gets his morons trained to operate them.


15 posted on 12/13/2012 8:01:42 AM PST by stickywillie (God Bless Lord Monckton)
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To: BenLurkin
“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― George Orwell, 1984
16 posted on 12/13/2012 8:15:04 AM PST by Rapscallion ( OBAMA: You own it now. See if you can govern it.)
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To: Jack Hammer
One wonders if the Founding Fathers ever envisioned an American government which would simply ignore the constitution at its whim...?

Yes.

Yes they did.


17 posted on 12/13/2012 8:15:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: TonyInOhio
Reminds me of that movie, forget the name, with Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis about rounding up Muslims and putting them in pens after a terror attack. Only this roundup won't be under those guidelines, guaranteed.
18 posted on 12/13/2012 8:18:29 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: TonyInOhio

Public Buses Across Country Quietly Adding Microphones to Record Passenger Conversations

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/12/public-bus-audio-surveillance/

Maybe when they take away private transportation I’ll care? Just another brick in the wall.


19 posted on 12/13/2012 8:18:46 AM PST by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: listenhillary; waterhill; ixtl
99% of the posters on FR could reasonably be considered a threat to the current systemic abuse of citizen’s rights perpetuated by the Federal government.

If you have ever posted here, and don't think you are already on list somewhere, you are kidding yourself. F'em.

20 posted on 12/13/2012 8:29:23 AM PST by Envisioning (Call me a racist........, one more time..........)
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*


21 posted on 12/13/2012 8:31:51 AM PST by PMAS (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing)
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To: ExSoldier

The Siege.


22 posted on 12/13/2012 8:39:41 AM PST by EEGator
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To: ExSoldier

The Siege.


23 posted on 12/13/2012 8:39:50 AM PST by EEGator
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To: listenhillary

I am sure they are working hard on eliminating private transportation with the gas prices, police harassment and traffic tickets. And traffic tickets with points is a way to get you license pulled and take the option away.

> Maybe when they take away private transportation I’ll care? Just another brick in the wall.


24 posted on 12/13/2012 8:44:38 AM PST by CORedneck
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To: TonyInOhio

The government profile of Reverend Al Sharpton:

Age: 123
Gender: male
Weight: 4,759 lbs.
Height: 2’13”
Race: Icelandic/Micronesian/Bolivian/African
Income: $13.56/yr
Religion: Nuwambian Jewish Rastazoroastrian
Terrorist Affiliations: MS/NBC, Nabisco, Dunkin’ Donuts

NOTE: This is a raw file, and information within has not been verified. Sources include USDA Entomology Division, the US Railroad Retirement Board, the FBI, and a bunch of stuff we found on the Internet.

Conclusions: 47% chance of being a terrorist, 63% chance of being a drug abuser, high probability of being euthanized as he will be too expensive for Obamacare.

Recommendation: Continue to compile vast amounts of useless data before deciding if he needs to be detained by the military.


25 posted on 12/13/2012 9:00:29 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: EEGator
Yup, that's the one! Thanks.
26 posted on 12/13/2012 9:00:30 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: Jack Hammer
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I guess Hillary was wrong. Dissent is no longer patriotic.

27 posted on 12/13/2012 9:01:54 AM PST by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: TonyInOhio
A lady [Mrs. Powel of Philadelphia] asked Dr. [Benjamin] Franklin "Well, Doctor. What have we got, a Republic or a Monarchy?". "A Republic", replied the Doctor, "if you can keep it."-

Sounds like nobody has listened to this warning by Benjamin Franklin...

28 posted on 12/13/2012 9:14:14 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: TonyInOhio

who is the greater terrorist? the one to be most feared?

one who blows his opposition up? or one that gathers info and turns the state’s citizens on each other?

who is the more successful one? that remains to be seen... folk should have a pretty good idea where this is headed.

societal genocide , no, societal suicide awaits us all.

when radicalism and statism merge their databases, what do you get? The DNC or AQ mailing list perhaps?

we live in a brash neutered world.. courtesy of an electorate that can’t spell much less read account balances but they can tweet and text. go figure.


29 posted on 12/13/2012 9:17:56 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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To: TonyInOhio

Nixonian White House enemies list on mutated steroids.


30 posted on 12/13/2012 9:34:46 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: listenhillary

The black boxes for cars are sure to be wired for a sensor that records acoustic vibrations between 100-2800Hz, the speech range.
HF


31 posted on 12/13/2012 9:39:01 AM PST by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: TonyInOhio

TonyInOhio ~:” Welcome to 1984. You’ll learn to love Big Brother, too. Or Else.”

We are already in the world of “1984” with ‘ double-talk ‘ and ‘ double speak ‘ , and headed towards the world of “Matrix “ .


32 posted on 12/13/2012 9:42:35 AM PST by Tilted Irish Kilt ("A Nation of Sheep will beget a Government of Wolves." --- Edward R. Murrow)
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To: TonyInOhio

Great! What the government will discover about my e-mails, Facebook postings and Conservative website comments:

1) I don’t like the democrat party.

2) When I go to the shooting range I get pissed because my wife is a better shot with our GLock than I am.

3) Obama-care will be a cross between the ruthlessness of the IRS and the customer efficiency of the DMV

4) The Georgetown Hoyas still suck.

5) Bone-daddies is better than Hooters.

6) Lloyd Dogget is a crook.

7) I like and support the Fair Tax group.

8) FA Hayek, Milton Friedman and Thomas Sowell are my favorite writers

9) I read a website called stuff black people do not like and rather enjoy it.

10) I get in furious debates with my gay,left wing cousin regarding Dos Equis vs Shiner.


33 posted on 12/13/2012 9:50:51 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: TonyInOhio

Forward!


34 posted on 12/13/2012 10:06:25 AM PST by chessplayer
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To: TonyInOhio

Bush’s fault. Big time.


35 posted on 12/13/2012 10:08:17 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Lazamataz
Yes they did.

OK, so show me that "well regulated" part. I see virtually nothing in the way of citizen logistical preparation on an organized and practiced basis, particularly since the National Guard is nearly completely Federalized. The people can buy all the guns and ammo they want, but if they don't have a way to organize and supply said 'militia of the people,' they've got a losing battle, particularly against an enemy as ruthless as communo-fascists.

It's that Shemitta thingy nobody pays attention to.

36 posted on 12/13/2012 10:15:54 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Carry_Okie
The founders did all they could. They wrote an enduring document that gives us the tools. They cannot make us use the tools.
37 posted on 12/13/2012 10:19:39 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz
The founders did all they could.

Yes, but to what end? Methinks it was a bit more complicated than you perhaps realize.

They wrote an enduring document that gives us the tools.

Albeit with some serious flaws that threaten us with catastrophic import today.

They cannot make us use the tools.

Sounds eerily like Israel and the Torah, doesn't it?

38 posted on 12/13/2012 10:27:19 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: TonyInOhio

KGB is alive and well. f’ em.


39 posted on 12/13/2012 10:27:58 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Carry_Okie
"The founders did all they could."

Yes, but to what end?

To the end permitted by our actions and the state of technology.

"They cannot make us use the tools."

Sounds eerily like Israel and the Torah, doesn't it?

While I wanted to believe 'this time would be different', it appears mankind is doomed to repeat the same mistakes, cyclically, in perpetuity.

40 posted on 12/13/2012 10:42:08 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: TonyInOhio

Forward......into George Orwell’s world.


41 posted on 12/13/2012 10:48:58 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Read SCOTUS Castle Rock vs Gonzales before dialing 911!)
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To: Carry_Okie

>>I see virtually nothing in the way of citizen logistical preparation on an organized and practiced basis, particularly since the National Guard is nearly completely Federalized. The people can buy all the guns and ammo they want, but if they don’t have a way to organize and supply said ‘militia of the people,’ they’ve got a losing battle, particularly against an enemy as ruthless as communo-fascists.

Every year the militias in the US run a live-fire training exercise where around 10 million snipers assemble in the woods with guns, ammo, comms, camo, and full logistic trains. Most folks call it “Deer season”. Did you expect CW2 to be fought marching shoulder to shoulder across open fields against the Redcoats?


42 posted on 12/13/2012 10:52:40 AM PST by vikingd00d (chown -R us ./base)
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To: vikingd00d
Every year the militias in the US run a live-fire training exercise where around 10 million snipers assemble in the woods with guns, ammo, comms, camo, and full logistic trains.

Equine feces. They wouldn't last a year.

Most folks call it “Deer season”. Did you expect CW2 to be fought marching shoulder to shoulder across open fields against the Redcoats?

No. They won't have communications. They won't have transportation. They won't have a command structure. Their logistical depth will suck, especially as regards food. While hunting incorporates valuable skills, the entire landscape is being converted before your eyes to be incapable of sustaining a resistance. Witness what wolves have done to the elk herd in Idaho and Montana. It's coming to your neighborhood sooner than you think and hunters have been stupid enough to help.

Did you expect a liberal idiot? I've written a whole book on this topic. I suggest you get a bit more serious.

43 posted on 12/13/2012 11:38:16 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Lazamataz
To the end permitted by our actions and the state of technology.

With our most potent organizing technology being simultaneously ankle chains. Stalin was right about that rope.

While I wanted to believe 'this time would be different', it appears mankind is doomed to repeat the same mistakes, cyclically, in perpetuity.

LOL, if you read Genesis 1-2-4 very carefully, that is exactly what it implies. The key word is the Hebrew for "finishing" everything He had made. Check it out in a lexicon. It means to wipe out, as in "finishing" a glass of wine. The flood. The Sea of Suf. Two exiles. Revelation. Although what He had made was very good, not so with everything He created.

44 posted on 12/13/2012 11:51:52 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: ExSoldier
..."A Republic", replied the Doctor, "if you can keep it."

Sounds like nobody has listened to this warning by Benjamin Franklin...

That's pretty good, but IMHO, no match for...

"Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters." and "it would end in despotism, as other forms have done before it, when the people shall have become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other."

45 posted on 12/13/2012 11:58:12 AM PST by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Envisioning

F’em indeed - in lead.


46 posted on 12/13/2012 12:20:08 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: Le Chien Rouge
Dear US Government :

I am no longer a patriot to you. You have chosen to usurp the Constitution and become The Enemy. If a significant uprising develops, for instance, led by at least one branch of the military, I will join and try to overthrow you to reclaim America for Liberty, Until then I will continue to watch the decline and be defiant in any way that is legal. Got that ? Signed , Me

47 posted on 12/13/2012 12:22:58 PM PST by KTM rider ( , you'd be lucky to get= $7....LOL !)
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To: Carry_Okie

I am Jack Hinson


48 posted on 12/13/2012 12:25:54 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: TonyInOhio; All

Behold my fellow Freepers the creation & institutionalization of the new & improved GehiemeStaatsPolizie.


49 posted on 12/13/2012 12:33:22 PM PST by Nebr FAL owner
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To: TurboZamboni

             
50 posted on 12/13/2012 12:38:18 PM PST by tomkat (liberty or death)
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