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Syria Fires Scud Missiles at Insurgents, U.S. Says
New York Times ^ | December 12, 2012 | Mark Landler, Aida Alami, Alan Cowell and Anne Bernard

Posted on 12/12/2012 9:45:46 AM PST by Zakeet

Syrian forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have fired Scud missiles at rebel fighters in recent days, Obama administration officials said on Wednesday.

The move represents a significant escalation in the fighting, which has already killed more than 40,000 civilians in a nearly two-year-old conflict that has threatened to destabilize the Middle East.

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information, said that missiles had been fired from the Damascus area at targets in northern Syria.

“The total is number is probably north of six now,” said another American official, and that the targets were in areas controlled by the Free Syrian Army, the main armed insurgent group.

It is not clear how many casualties resulted from the attacks by the Scuds

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You Freepers don't need to worry because Hussein and Hillary are in charge ... and the Muzzies absolutely love and obey them ... and they would never fill the warheads with chemicals and shoot these things at Israel!

1 posted on 12/12/2012 9:45:58 AM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

Wow!!!!


2 posted on 12/12/2012 9:51:38 AM PST by silentknight
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To: Zakeet
Syrian forces loyal to President Bashar al-Assad have fired Scud missiles at rebel fighters in recent days, Obama administration officials said on Wednesday.

Is Assad allowed to defend himself? I didn't think that was legal... /sarc

3 posted on 12/12/2012 9:52:05 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Soon the "invisible hand" will press the economic "reset" button.)
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To: Zakeet
1) Chemical weapons on the move
2) Scud missiles successfully fired at the enemy

Now, it's just a matter of putting things together.

And then Obama makes his move.

NOTE: Assad doesn't actually have to do anything. But Obama can make the claim and it will be unquestioned, and then we've got boots on the ground and we're fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with al Qaeda, knocking over one of the last secular regimes in the Middle East.

4 posted on 12/12/2012 9:52:37 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
The Caliphate. So close, you can smell it.
5 posted on 12/12/2012 9:53:39 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Zakeet

This makes no sense ... SCUDs against what basically is a light infantry force? Unless they were chemically tipped there is zero military sense here. Those type weapons would be for fix large strategic targets and not for use in a conventional way against light infantry.

So if it happened there’s mre to this than is being reported or the government is pushing something for political ends knowing the word “SCUD” would get a reaction from the public.


6 posted on 12/12/2012 10:00:26 AM PST by Mac94
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To: Zakeet

Um, are these Saddam’s or Assad’s?


7 posted on 12/12/2012 10:00:29 AM PST by KnutKase (VRWC member since 1988)
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To: silentknight
One American official, who asked not to be identified because he was discussing classified information,

So? All sorts of stupid things are classified. I don't think there's anything particularly sacrosanct about classified information. Obama's people probably classified it to try to limit the info getting out to the public.

8 posted on 12/12/2012 10:01:35 AM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Mac94

I have heard of this before.
The pro-Soviet Afghan army did the same when it was in its last days.
Its a desperation move I think. Make some big bangs, even if pointless militarily, in hope of demoralizing some of the opposition. Or shoot with whatever is left, if no better artillery is in range.


9 posted on 12/12/2012 10:07:16 AM PST by buwaya
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To: Zakeet

Depending on how old they are technologically, the warhead has a CEP (Circular Error Probability) of about half a mile. Meaning, it will hit within half a mile of where it is aimed. Explosive warheads are probably in the 2000 pound range meaning it will destroy the building it hits and damage to progressively lesser degrees surrounding buildings.

Two thoughts. He can’t move the missiles into his chosen redoubt so he is using them up so they can’t be used against him when he and the remaining Alawite supporters move to the area around the Russian occupied port. (The rebels are allowing convoys heading to this area to go unmolested to avoid a protracted fight for the capital. But they surely would stop obvious weapons that could be used against them from a distance. Also, the regime has been conducting ethnic cleansing in the region of the redoubt and on the projected new border.) Secondly, the scuds are only a terror weapon with no significant military value. I suspect that the rebels won’t be impressed as they’ve been about as terrorized as they’re likely to be and it will simply spur them to fight harder. But it will probably reduce their numbers for future conflicts with the Assad regime in its new home.

Another thought. The US official didn’t give his name because he was discussing classified information. Are there no US officials with honor and integrity left?


10 posted on 12/12/2012 10:08:52 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Mac94

“SCUDs against what basically is a light infantry force?”

Well, without getting into the whole chemical thing, Comrade Putin launched 8 SCUD’s into an open-air market in Chechnya after taking office. 1999 I think it was.

Iran launched 63 SCUD’s a few years ago — I think they shot them into Iraq. All in one day.

Putin had a few SCUD’s launched against Georgia in 2008.


11 posted on 12/12/2012 10:10:45 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Mac94

Is SCUD slang for potato?


12 posted on 12/12/2012 10:18:34 AM PST by USAF80
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To: Gen.Blather
Another thought. The US official didn’t give his name because he was discussing classified information. Are there no US officials with honor and integrity left?

Military members are always warned never to talk to reporters. They have to be refered to the base Public Affairs office. The reason being reporters love to interview anyone they can find wearing a uniform and claim its an "official" source.

Reporters will call recruiting offices or bases to do telephone interviews. These interviews then become unnamed sources.

13 posted on 12/12/2012 10:28:08 AM PST by USAF80
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To: USAF80

Didn’t America do this back in the 80’s when they sided with Al Queada against the Taliban?

Personally, I am rooting for Assad. Because if he loses, Jordan is next and that means radical Islam will be in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan with Saudi backing and is bordering Israel.

Not good.


14 posted on 12/12/2012 10:31:50 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: Zakeet
Hama Rules

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN

In February 1982 the secular Syrian government of President Hafez al-Assad faced a mortal threat from Islamic extremists, who sought to topple the Assad regime. How did it respond? President Assad identified the rebellion as emanating from Syria's fourth-largest city — Hama — and he literally leveled it, pounding the fundamentalist neighborhoods with artillery for days. Once the guns fell silent, he plowed up the rubble and bulldozed it flat, into vast parking lots. Amnesty International estimated that 10,000 to 25,000 Syrians, mostly civilians, were killed in the merciless crackdown. Syria has not had a Muslim extremist problem since.

I visited Hama a few months after it was leveled. The regime actually wanted Syrians to go see it, to contemplate Hama's silence and to reflect on its meaning. I wrote afterward, "The whole town looked as though a tornado had swept back and forth over it for a week — but this was not the work of mother nature

This was "Hama Rules" — the real rules of Middle East politics — and Hama Rules are no rules at all.

15 posted on 12/12/2012 10:35:57 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: Zakeet
One of the comments at link:

Double standard at work here. When Assad to defend himself fires scud missles into jihadist we condemn him for killing the civilians amongst which the jihadists are hiding. Notice we DON'T Condemn the jihadist for using civilians as shields.

Now when we fire a Drone at a Jihadist is in house etc and have 'collateral damage" we condemn the jihadist for sheltering amongst civilians. But we are the "good" guys and are drone is a "good" drone doing good work.

NOTE THE DOUBLE STANDARDS -- When we do the same thing it is OK and good,but when Assad does it,it is evil and bad. In both cases the targets are Al Quaeda,Jihadists


16 posted on 12/12/2012 10:39:59 AM PST by opentalk
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Personally, I am rooting for Assad. Because if he loses, Jordan is next and that means radical Islam will be in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan with Saudi backing and is bordering Israel.
Not good.

This is a Sunni vs Shiite power struggle and we are backing the Sunni. About five years ago Iran's top Muslim clerics gave their convoluted seal of approval to the offbeat Alewite branch of Islam that controls Syria. Assad's Alewites are only 10% of the population but so far manage to rule Syria and probably loot it for their tribe. Alewites revere Mother Mary and often have her depiction hanging in their house

17 posted on 12/12/2012 10:41:56 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Something like that. More recent was the Bosnian fiasco where we sided with the muslims when the Christians started to beat them down.


18 posted on 12/12/2012 10:44:16 AM PST by USAF80
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To: buwaya
The pro-Soviet Afghan army did the same when it was in its last days.

Wow, I'm impressed someone else had heard of that - SCUDs in Afghanistan have been forgotten. I only found out about it researching a paper I was writing on the Iran-Iraq War.

The Afghan government fired MORE SCUDs than anyone - including Iran and Iraq - have ever fired. If I recall correctly, they lobbed something like 1000+ SCUDs at the Mujahedin.

It's basically a terror weapon.

19 posted on 12/12/2012 10:46:45 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: ClearCase_guy
But Obama can make the claim and it will be unquestioned, and then we've got boots on the ground and we're fighting shoulder-to-shoulder with al Qaeda, knocking over one of the last secular regimes in the Middle East.

Not exactly. We will be fighting Assad's forces, while at the same time taking suicide hits from Jabhat al-Nusra. They have already stated after they finish with Assad, Americans are next. This is Iraq on steroids thanks to Obama/Hillary/Huma. BTW - Jabhat has just over run two WMD facilities in the north.

20 posted on 12/12/2012 10:49:35 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Mac94
The problem is that the terrorist insurgents (Jabhat al-Nusra) have overrun at least two WMD faclities in the north. And since our great Fuhrer has decided to label Jabhat a terrorist organization, that gives Assad the green light to fire everything he has at them. So scuds will work in a situation where terrorist have control of a WMD facility and the US/NATO are providing air cover. Which they probably are now in the north. At least within the range of the Patriot batteries.
21 posted on 12/12/2012 10:57:36 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Also the “insurgents” like to take cover in “Christian” neighborhoods so as to conveniently dispose of their mortal enemy through collateral damage.


22 posted on 12/12/2012 11:28:05 AM PST by Sheapdog
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To: Mac94

Talk about taking a hammer to an ant. It’s not like you could direct these things either. They are just V2’s with better gas mileage.


23 posted on 12/12/2012 11:32:27 AM PST by Vermont Lt (We are so screwed.)
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To: Zakeet
Looks like they are using more then Scuds.

Syria Fires Scud Missiles, Burning Bombs and Even Sea Mines at Rebels

24 posted on 12/12/2012 11:46:49 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Zakeet
More news on the continuing escalation of WWIII.

What Syria’s Scud missile launches tell us about the regime’s thinking

Obama Is Not Happy About Syria Using SCUD Missiles Against the Rebels

25 posted on 12/12/2012 11:52:20 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Mac94

I thought it seemed odd too.


26 posted on 12/12/2012 11:57:06 AM PST by PghBaldy (Pete Hoekstra RE: Petraeus scandal - "There's more here than meets the eye.")
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To: Strategerist

IIRC it was mentioned in “The Bear Trap” by some Pakistani ISI fellow


27 posted on 12/12/2012 2:02:06 PM PST by buwaya
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To: justa-hairyape

It does sound like desperation.
Un-aimed use of all the ammo thats left.
I suspect that some of the Syrian regime bases are hard to resupply by now and are running low on effective munitions.
They can choose to blow up the remaining stocks or shoot them off.
They may retreat and consolidate soon.


28 posted on 12/12/2012 2:07:30 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Sheapdog

I just saw on news Obama declaring the US and our coalition now claim the insurgents are adequate diversified and that they represent the Syrian people and not the Assad regime.

unbelievable

Not endorsing Assad but now they are saying we have a responsibility to the insurgents that are the same people we’ve been fighting over there the last 10 years.

F U this administration.


29 posted on 12/12/2012 2:25:18 PM PST by Sheapdog
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To: justa-hairyape
How do we know the “rebels” didn't sneak into Damascus and shoot these scuds at themselves, huh? Isn't this all just a part of the conspiracy to frame Assad and make people think he's a muslim?
30 posted on 12/12/2012 7:45:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Because the Syrians had a very good motive.

Assad fires Scuds to stop Al Qaeda arm seizing chemical arms at Al Safira

31 posted on 12/13/2012 1:34:56 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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Thanks Zakeet.

Syria government ‘losing control’ — Russian official
BBC News | Thursday, December 13, 2012
Posted on Thu Dec 13 20:48:26 2012 by MinorityRepublican
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2968541/posts


32 posted on 12/15/2012 4:22:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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That’s total BS.

Syria government ‘losing control’ — Russian official
BBC News | Thursday, December 13, 2012
Posted on Thu Dec 13 20:48:26 2012 by MinorityRepublican
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2968541/posts

[snip] Separately, Syria denied reports it had fired Scud missiles at rebels. [/snip]


33 posted on 12/15/2012 4:24:54 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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34 posted on 12/15/2012 6:00:28 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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