Advisors to Obama: 'Accommodate' China, embrace global warming
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Posted on 12/11/2012 4:38:42 PM PST by Behind Liberal Lines
America’s carbon-dioxide emissions are actually falling. In fact, they have not been this low since 1992. And while no single factor can account for the entire shift, much of the credit goes to something environmentalists often detest: hydraulic fracturing, or fracking.
Among power sources, the worst source of CO2 emissions by far is coal. Natural gas generates half the CO2 per kilowatt-hour, and in the past few years natural gas has displaced coal to a remarkable degree. This year gas-fired electricity generation equaled coal-fired generation for the first time. According to the Energy Information Administration, that trend will continue as shale gas production rises from 5 trillion cubic feet in 2010 to more than 13 trillion cubic feet in 2035. Fracking made this possible—by opening up the Marcellus shale deposit in Pennsylvania and many others. Twelve years ago, shale gas made up 2 percent of the U.S. supply. It now makes up 37 percent.
All of that was achieved without government direction—and in the face of considerable environmental resistance.
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This is great news! Somebody go tell the left that it worked. We got our global warming under control. Their efforts paid off and we have seen no warming in the past 10 years. We can stop pushing for carbon taxes and such and die in peace. The planet will survive after all.
Congrats. What's next?
What CO2 problem?
the problems are lower heating bills, longer growing seasons, more robust plant growth, those kinds of things.
What CO2 problem?.....exactly my sentiments....just another democrat argument with a flawed premise.
I am surprised that the Green Nazis have not made an issue of carbonated soft drinks like Coke and Pepsi with all those bubbles of greenhouse gas being released into the atmosphere.
Soft drinks are loaded with sugar (carbon, hydrogen, oxygen molecules) which are even more evil than carbon dioxide molecules.
There is no so-called “CO2 Problem”.
It is an atmospheric gas.
Why certain people and organizations think it is a problem is a mystery to me.
It is an atmospheric gas.
Why certain people and organizations think it is a problem is a mystery to me.
Nothing like a little methane to get your attention. These folks also enjoy the ability to open their faucets and light up. Free dead fish floating in the water are so much easier to catch.
Fracking may give access to more methane, but it has its consquences. Check the story at this link to see how it has destroyed a productive cattle ranch including the animals and ranchers.
Adding my agreement...there is no CO2 problem. It's a damn made up hoax.
Another contributing factor to the dropping of the earth’s CO2 content is the fact that Moslems are killing each other and Christians and Jews in ever greater numbers than before, thus reducing carbon footprints.
Name a place:
Nigeria, Mali, Libya, Egypt,Thailand;India;Pakistan; Afghanistan; Iran; Syria; Lebanon; Gaza; Yemen; Somalia; Kenya; Philippines;Indonesia (somewhat reduced).
Other places with major killings include the Congo, So. Africa (the top murder country per capital in the world other than Pakistan);Red China (lots of people being killed that you never hear of); No. Korea;Venezuela (another rising crime capital of the world); Colombia; Mexico; El Salvador; Guatemala.
Chicago; Philadelphia; Wash. D.C., Baltimore, Detriot, Houston, LA, etc. Here Obama’s sons are doing the carbon footprint reduction program. Just read the police crime reports in the paper every day and you will see what I mean.
This is a semi-sarcastic/satiric post but there is a lot of truth behind it. That is the tragedy for America, and for the world.
Just imagine, you could rig a small dome over the methane leak, power a small generator and hook it to a line sync inverter and get paid for free electricity.
One ladys fear is another mans treasure.
Use of government regulations to restrain competition, as usual.
Using government to subsidize a product and/or eliminate competition by regulation has been a way to profit for a very long time. Hence, the major stockholders of the companies who stand to profit from this racket have been making fat donations to green groups for over fifty years. The NGOs and foundations launder the money and support the "scientific" justification they seek.
The level of risk depends upon how deep the target strata are and the permeability of the structure above.
Wouldn't it be great if we could have clean, nondangerous nuclear energy with no waste, as per the work of Andrea Rossi and others?
It wouldn’t be worth the effort vs the personal health hazard. The hydrocarbon content of the air in the Bayou Corne area is making residents ill. A salt dome containing 1.5 million barrels of liquid butane will be liberated to the open air fairly soon. Asphyxiation or explosion is the anticipated consequence.
What about the Sun usage problem. America is using more than it’s fair share of the Sun!
Statement based on a eia/epa government published table. The source for the statistics are not provided. It is hard for me to understand how the oxidation of coal based carbon is different than oxidation of natural gas carbon. But then biochemistry was something I didn't study.
I think it has to do with impurities, etc.
Interesting that you are willing to rely on NBC citing something called the “Food & Environment Reporting Network”.
I don’t know about the latter but I’m very well acquainted with the horses—t coming out of NBC.
Maybe you are an expert at this, which I am not. But I have lived most of my life in the Bakken area and I’ve seen reports of disastrous claim after claim which even Obama’s own EPA cannot manage to substantiate...and believe me, they are trying.
The Bakken zone is a couple miles below the acquifers tapped for water wells. Does that mean there isn’t sometimes surface damage or spills caused by careless workers? Hardly.
Does it mean that methane doesn’t sometimes cause problems, sometimes with drilling activity nearby (and sometimes not)? No again.
Does my argument mean that yours is entirely meritless? No, no, it doesn’t.
But you, like I, have to be cautious about accepting every claim as genuine and seeing causal relationships where they haven’t been proved.
(pinging thackney as he has far more expertise than I and I am always interested in his view)
Bayou Corne is a collapsed Salt Dome Storage Facility and has ZERO to do with hydraulic fracturing in a production well. The storage facility was created by leaching out the salt and there is NO WAY anyone would consider fracturing a hole designed to KEEP the oil/gas in. Fracturing is done to let the oil/gas/water out.
Check this link for current videos of the situation and pictures prior to the sink hole opening.
>> Natural gas generates half the CO2 per kilowatt-hour
> It is hard for me to understand how the oxidation of coal based carbon is different than oxidation of natural gas carbon
1) Natural gas is 25% hydrogen by weight (Coal is around 3 percent hydrogen). Much of the energy released by burning NG is from the oxidation of hydrogen.
2) Modern natural gas electric plants use the highly efficient “Combined cycle” design, which converts about 60% of the chemical energy in the NG into electricity. Coal plants do not use combined cycle, and typically get about 40% conversion.
Add those factors together, and it’s not hard to see that per mole of carbon, methane can yield about twice as many watt/hours as coal.
The “problem” is that there isn’t a one world government.
That’s the “problem with CO2”.
Exactamento. Gas and electricity generated on-site back out utility power and gas, and you can actually go negative-balance and get paid retail for the gas and electricity you produce. This does happen in some locations, such as southern Ohio, where people sometimes have old, capped-off wellheads in their basements or yards that have just enough residual natural-gas pressure on the casing that they'll flow to a stove or furnace.
Item, if you must sequester CO2 in volume, the best place to do it is in a partially- or mostly-depleted conventional oil reservoir or a high-carbon shale (like the Eagleford in central and south Texas or the Bakken in Montana and North Dakota) that is known to produce liquid hydrocarbons. The CO2 mobilizes kerogen and bitumen in the shale or sand reservoirs enough that it can be migrated, captured and produced.
CO2 flooding is a secondary-production technique practiced for generations now in older oil fields like those being rejuvenated by massive-frac technology in the old Paleozoic trends of the Ohio Valley.
There are fracking operations going on all over the area surrounding Bayou Corne. Apparently they didn’t get the message that fracking isn’t a good idea. Too late. Seismic activity initiated by the fracking and methane pressure from under the salt domes is breaking them apart.
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BS Hydraulic Fracturing is not related in any way. There is not any substantial claim of such.
It is leaking out everywhere, and if the planet is elventy billion year old, it would have leaked out long ago. Don't you just wish to get a glimpse into an organic chemistry book from the 24th century...
Advisors to Obama: 'Accommodate' China, embrace global warming
Global Warming on Free Republic
Thank you for the explanation. Now I can more readily accept the gov’s numbers. Let’s get fracking!
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