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Federal appeals court strikes down concealed carry ban (IL!!)
www.dailyillini.com ^ | 12/11/2012 | Daily Illini

Posted on 12/11/2012 10:40:13 AM PST by aimhigh

CHICAGO — A federal appeals court has struck down a ban on carrying concealed weapons in Illinois — the only state where carrying concealed weapons is entirely illegal.

The 7th Circuit Court of Appeals announced Tuesday that state lawmakers have 180 days to write a new law that legalizes concealed carry.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailyillini.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: 7thcircuitcourt; banglist; concealedcarry; illinois; liberty; shallnotbeinfringed; sourcetitlenoturl
Wow. Good news, good precedent!!
1 posted on 12/11/2012 10:40:22 AM PST by aimhigh
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To: aimhigh

Another article:
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_22168932/court-strikes-down-illinois-concealed-carry-law


2 posted on 12/11/2012 10:42:08 AM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: aimhigh

It will still be politically manipulated as everything in Illllllinois is in any governmental system.


3 posted on 12/11/2012 10:44:54 AM PST by KC Burke (Plain Conservative opinions and common sense correction for thirteen years. RSC)
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To: aimhigh

They will model their concealed-carry statute on New York City’s rules. Don’t expect “shall issue” CCW to come from this.


4 posted on 12/11/2012 10:47:01 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: aimhigh

A couple of wins today may still be a dead cat bounce but I’ll take it.


5 posted on 12/11/2012 10:48:50 AM PST by plain talk
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To: aimhigh

No worries. Count Obama and the UN will take care of this pesky gun problem once and for all.


6 posted on 12/11/2012 11:17:32 AM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: aimhigh

This means I can wear my shoulder holster after all these years.


7 posted on 12/11/2012 11:23:43 AM PST by sarasota
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To: aimhigh
Hang in there it took 20 months AFTER the legislation for Shall Issue Concealed Carry passed in Missouri for citizens of St Louis and Kansas City were able to obtain permits.

The anti-gun blue cities do not give up without a fight.

8 posted on 12/11/2012 11:29:30 AM PST by TYVets
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To: aimhigh

Woohoo!


9 posted on 12/11/2012 11:32:00 AM PST by Mr. Silverback (Cigarettes are like squirrels: Perfectly harmless until you put one in your mouth and set it on fire)
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To: aimhigh

Now is the time to take on California’s screwy system that makes issuance of CCW permits subject to the political whim of the sheriff a violation of the 14th Amendment equal protection clause. The State can then be forced to come up with a standard that meets Constitutional muster for strict scrutiny as regards “the right to keep and bear arms.”


10 posted on 12/11/2012 11:32:00 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: PapaBear3625
PapaBear3625 said: Don’t expect “shall issue” CCW to come from this.

I certainly do. I see no indication in Heller or McDonald which would allow the government to decide whether any individual had a good reason to bear arms. Such individuals have a RIGHT to bear arms and need provide no reason.

Illinois may attempt to create widespread "sensitive places" and they may attempt to create classes of people who can't get a permit. These issues will have to be litigated again, perhaps, but the vast majority of people are going to get permits.

11 posted on 12/11/2012 11:47:28 AM PST by William Tell
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To: aimhigh

I hope when they fail to follow the prescribed remidy, in 180 days, that they are found in contempt.


12 posted on 12/11/2012 11:50:43 AM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: PapaBear3625
They will model their concealed-carry statute on New York City’s rules. Don’t expect “shall issue” CCW to come from this.

One step at a time. Next step is challenging "may issue".

13 posted on 12/11/2012 12:16:03 PM PST by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: KC Burke

Law abiding citizens should not need a license to carry!!! Period!


14 posted on 12/11/2012 1:01:08 PM PST by tallyhoe
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To: aimhigh

Wow.

I was betting the other way.


15 posted on 12/11/2012 2:15:56 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sarasota
This means I can wear my shoulder holster after all these years.

You weren't before?

16 posted on 12/11/2012 2:25:46 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: unixfox

Only at dinner parties.


17 posted on 12/11/2012 2:52:29 PM PST by sarasota
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To: Repeal 16-17
Here is the decision:
http://www.ca7.uscourts.gov/tmp/NY10P0BS.pdf

Interesting excerpts:
The right to “bear” as distinct from the right to “keep” arms is unlikely to refer to the home. To speak of “bearing” arms within one’s home would at all times have been an awkward usage. A right to bear arms thus implies a right to carry a loaded gun outside the home.

Twenty-first century Illinois has no hostile Indians. But a Chicagoan is a good deal more likely to be attacked on a sidewalk in a rough neighborhood than in his apartment on the 35th floor of the Park Tower.

To confine the right to be armed to the home is to divorce the Second Amendment from the right of self-defense described in Heller and McDonald. It is not a property right—a right to kill a houseguest who in a fit of aesthetic fury tries to slash your copy of Norman Rockwell’s painting Santa with Elves. That is not self-defense, and this case like Heller and McDonald is just about self-defense.

Moreover, there is no reason to expect Illinois to impose minimal permit restrictions on carriage of guns outside the home, for obviously this is not a state that has a strong pro-gun culture, unlike the states that began allowing concealed carriage before Heller and MacDonald enlarged the scope of Second Amendment rights.

A person who carries a gun in public but is not well trained in the use of firearms is a menace to himself and others.

18 posted on 12/11/2012 3:32:45 PM PST by aimhigh ( Guns do not kill people. Planned Parenthood kills people.)
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To: sarasota

What kind of places do you go to dinner?


19 posted on 12/11/2012 3:44:03 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: aimhigh

It will probably have to face the Supremes next.


20 posted on 12/11/2012 4:36:52 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: editor-surveyor

My home. We believe our handguns make a nice fashion statement.


21 posted on 12/11/2012 5:34:46 PM PST by sarasota
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To: PapaBear3625

“They will model their concealed-carry statute on New York City’s rules. Don’t expect “shall issue” CCW to come from this.”

I disagree. Of course Illannoy will do what they can to frustrate the right to bear arms, but the may-issue game is about to die as well; there is a court decision in MD that is turning that game on it’s ear.

More importantly, the culture has shifted. Guns are very popular right now and politicians outside of the bluest areas aren’t interested in getting in the way.


22 posted on 12/11/2012 7:10:19 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Getting in touch with my inner rebel)
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To: PapaBear3625

they’ll make it so expensive and so much paper work there that many will say screw this


23 posted on 12/11/2012 7:35:31 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: sarasota

I have always said the ability to accessorize separates us from the lower animals. :-)


24 posted on 12/11/2012 8:18:29 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt.)
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To: RetiredArmy
"No worries. Count Obama and the UN will take care of this pesky gun problem once and for all."

I disagree, Army. The United Nations will NOT suppress our 2nd Amendment in my lifetime, and I have about 15 years left. With so many guns and ammunition being bought since Obambi took office, it's apparent that The People are getting tired of collectivism, but ready. And no, I don't think a CWII is coming, but a RWII, well...who knows if the States are ready?

I see a blue helmet or a hevlar with a US flag patch on my street to enforce UN law, that's the day I die. Yes, easy to say for a non-combatant aviation Swabbie. Still, I've lived a full life and the day I see them coming for me or mine or my possessions, it's time to check out. Sure I just got put up to the top on some database, but I really no longer care. Hi guys!

25 posted on 12/11/2012 10:30:29 PM PST by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever. It's All I Have Left To Believe In!)
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To: Conservative4Ever

Good one!


26 posted on 12/12/2012 5:43:57 AM PST by sarasota
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