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Germany: Image of Islam 'Devastating'
gatestoneinstitute.org/ ^ | 10DEC12 | Soeren Kern

Posted on 12/11/2012 9:39:29 AM PST by bayouranger

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To: lonevoice
Not "image" but the REALITY of moozlums. moozlum credo: I love you...I will kill you and your family. Boom! Slash!
21 posted on 12/11/2012 10:47:33 AM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: bayouranger
From the link:

Ponder the similarities between Islam and Nazism; between Mein Kampf and the Qur'an. Only the Qur'an outsells Mein Kampf (My Jihad) in Islamic countries. What are the consequences of tolerating Muhammad's religious scheme?

Huh, that reminds me - Saddam Hussein and his ilk were all in awe of Hitler.

Well, well. That would sort of explain why Obama and his entire demonRat pack are actively working overtime to squeeze Hitler and Stalin into a nice three piece suit.

I'm just sayin'.

22 posted on 12/11/2012 10:52:24 AM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: demshateGod
Your comment is apt, if you limit it to the actual demagogues & scoundrels, from Robespierre, through Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Hitler, Castro & those I address in articles like World Government & Surrender By Subterfuge. But the vast majority of those who promote "one-world" nonsense, are in the grips of a contrived fantasy; one embraced for a variety of motivations, but nevertheless embraced.

Put another way, most recent products of American & European education have been conditioned to accept what is not demonstrable; rather easily refuted. This also extends to many of the higher ups in Corporate management, whose focus has been narrowed by a complex of factors, not to appreciate the actual dangers--for themselves & their business interests in the very globalism they have avidly embraced.

(Do not take this in the wrong way. I like Washington & Jefferson, strongly support having good trade relations with all nations. But that does not now--and never has meant--ignoring the social, cultural & ethnic needs of your own communities. That distinction is absolutely vital to an understanding of human dynamics.)

William Flax

23 posted on 12/11/2012 11:02:12 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: Da Coyote

There has only been one option all along but there’s the need to explore all others before implementing the obvious one.

Dog meet vomit.


24 posted on 12/11/2012 11:03:19 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bayouranger

“44% of those surveyed answered “yes” to the question, “Do you think there will be serious conflict between the Western Christian culture and the Arab Muslim culture in the future?” In addition, one quarter of respondents say they believe that such conflict already exists at the current time.”

Considering that the majority (IIRC) of Muslims in Germany are Turks - why do they specify “Arab Muslim” in the question? Turks are not Arabs. Persians are ALSO not Arabs.

???


25 posted on 12/11/2012 11:06:42 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: bayouranger
"More than 80% of Germans believe that Islam deprives women of their rights, and 70% say Islam is associated with religious fanaticism and radicalism. By contrast, only 13% of Germans associate Islam with love for neighbors, 12% with charity and 7% with openness and tolerance. "

Pretty much somes up some pretty clear headed thinking!

26 posted on 12/11/2012 11:12:31 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: bayouranger

A rich “multicultural” society that enthusiastically includes Islam will be a poor and Islamic society in only a few generations.


27 posted on 12/11/2012 11:14:55 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: wesagain
Now if they can wrap their thinking caps around this video....it'll be 100% to get islam out of Germany.

Why Should We Fear Islam? Dr. Bill Warner

28 posted on 12/11/2012 11:15:42 AM PST by wesagain (The God (Elohim) of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the One True GOD.)
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To: allmendream
Considering that the majority (IIRC) of Muslims in Germany are Turks - why do they specify “Arab Muslim” in the question? Turks are not Arabs. Persians are ALSO not Arabs.

While it is factual that neither Turks, nor Persians are Arabs genetically, what is equally true is the fact that they are mired in what is nothing more than an Arab supremacy scheme started centuries ago. Islam, at its core is Arab supremacist, and any non-Arab adherent to it is actually working for the eventual subjugation of his/her own people by Arabs...

the infowarrior

29 posted on 12/11/2012 12:03:43 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: infowarrior
Well at one time the entire Islamic world was run by Turks - so like many things the Arabs start - it doesn’t end up working out too well for them.

I just wonder at that formulation and why they felt the need to specify “Arab Muslim” in the question instead of just “Muslim”.

30 posted on 12/11/2012 12:15:37 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism)
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To: Ohioan

I agree.


31 posted on 12/11/2012 12:29:26 PM PST by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: allmendream
Well at one time the entire Islamic world was run by Turks

While that is a true statement, an equally true, and perhaps more telling question would be, "Under whose precepts were the Islamic world being run by those Turks? Turkish precepts, or Arab?"

The fact of the matter is, that the entirety of of 'Islamic' society is run under Arab precepts, the origin of the people who are operating under those precepts notwithstanding. Sharia is the written codification of Bedouin Arab societal norms, and has been, even as it is now, being forced upon other peoples as 'the perfect society' under the banner of 'the religion of Islam'.

Islam is *not* a religion per se, although it has a religious component. It is a total package of religion, law, and societal regulations. The 'law' and 'societal regulations' stem directly from Bedouin unwritten codes of antiquity...

This is why the repugnant treatment of fully half of humanity (and the percentage goes *up* from this half) is part and parcel of Islam. Bedouin norms in the treatment of their female population have become codified as an essential part of the total Islamic package through Sharia...

the infowarrior

32 posted on 12/11/2012 12:53:57 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: Ohioan

When the people reject multiculturalism, this is the reaction from their “representative” gov’s:

Sunday, November 11, 2012
Punishing Those Nasty Swedish Racists

Sweden, you’ve been bad. So we will punish you by bringing in more immigrants!

This, in effect, is the message propagated by Fredrik Reinfeldt, the sitting Prime Minister of Sweden. “Too many people voted for the Sweden Democrats,” he says, “so we are increasing immigration to teach all those racists a lesson!”

It’s hard to believe, but that’s what the man said. You can’t make this stuff up.

And it wasn’t a leaked conversation from a meeting behind closed doors, or a remark made when a microphone was accidentally left on. Mr. Reinfeldt made his statements in public, to students at the University of Stockholm.

And his party is Moderaterna, “The Moderates” — what passes for a conservative party in Sweden.

By the way: If immigration is such a good thing, and enriches our culture so much, how can it be used as a punishment?

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

The following article was published in Fria Tider on November 6. Many thanks to our Swedish correspondent LN for the translation:

Reinfeldt admits: Migration settlement was a punishment of the voters

In an unusually hard attack on the Sweden Democrats today the Prime Minister revealed, among other things, that the migration agreement with the Green Party from last year aimed to show SD voters that there will be even greater immigration with SD in parliament.

This morning, Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt was a guest-lecturer for students of political science at Stockholm University. (See also Fria Tider’s leader about the lecture). According to the program, he would focus on “the role of politics and how Sweden is affected by the membership in the European Union”, but a large part of the lecture ended up being about the government’s perception of the rapidly growing opposition party: the Sweden Democrats.

Hard to reach SD voters

Among other things, the leader of the Moderates complained that he found it difficult to reach Sweden Democrat voters because they utilize in media channels other than those in which the government’s messages are allowed to stand unchallenged.

“If you believe their description of reality, you sees a very different Sweden. If you listen to it and nothing else, you get a completely different picture of reality, and this makes it incredibly difficult for me to reach them.”

The possibility that they may “reached” through an open debate on the substantive questions was dismissed, however, by Fredrik Reinfeldt, simply because there are too many social problems linked to immigration.

“We do not believe that we can resolve the phenomenon of the Sweden Democrats in an open debate. We must fundamentally understand that there are social problems related to integration and immigration, crime, globalization and the restructuring of Sweden that we have to solve. We must give people hope that these problems can be solved. That’s what we are trying to do.”

The Migration settlement was meant to be a punishment of SD voters. The Prime Minister also provided an interesting revelation in his speech to the students. The agreement with the Green Party, which includes free medical and dental care to persons residing illegally in Sweden, was, according to the Conservative leader, a punishment of SD voters so that they would understand that refugee policy will become even more liberal if you go on voting for the Sweden Democrats.

The message to the voters is that it will not be possible to change immigration policy in a democratic way, because any vote, no matter which party you apply it to, becomes a vote for increased immigration.

“We will isolate them from any influence,” he said, among other things, claiming that it was exactly that he had done when shortly after the election the government concluded an agreement with the Green Party on asylum and migration policy.

“The effect of SD’s entrance into parliament was that we implemented a policy in the opposite direction,” said the Prime Minister contentedly.

These are the words of a man who is comfortable in his position, who has the sense that he is secure inside the redoubt of State power.

Sometimes the Socialists are in control. Sometimes the Moderates are in control. But nothing essential changes; that’s why the Prime Minister can afford to be so smug.

But is he right? Will Sweden always be this way? Or does the growing popularity of Sverigedemokraterna represent a trend that lies outside Mr. Reinfeldt’s control?

We’ll find out before long.
Posted by Baron Bodissey at 11/11/2012 10:35:00 PM
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Vince said... 1

Such short sightedness. All I took from that entire article was “The message to voters is that it will not be possible to change immigration policy in a democratic way”. To me those words were sticking out in bright red isolated from the rest of the article. Let’s see when you remove a persons democratic rights and voice what will the end result will be? What a schoolboy error. When you leave desperate people with no voice and no means for democratic change, you are looking at a potentially very dark future. And as we saw from Norway, it only takes one. What lunacy. Regardless of viewpoint everyone has the right to express it.
11/12/2012 2:20 AM
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/11/punishing-those-nasty-swedish-racists.html


33 posted on 12/11/2012 1:01:52 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

I’m not so sure about those explanations for mass, unchecked immigration.

Take a look here as to why ( replace Canada w/ most Western countries):

Slaughtering sheep: The planned destruction of Canada’s sovereignty by mass immigration

Who is an immigrant? According to Webster’s New World Thesaurus: “it is a newcomer, a naturalized citizen and adoptive citizen.”

Salim Mansur is a professor of political science at the University of Western Ontario. He is also a highly respected journalist for the Sun chain of Newspapers. In 2011, he published the sensational smash hit “Delectable Lie: a liberal repudiation of multiculturalism”. In the book, this term is more accurately and cleverly defined.

“In the normal or traditional sense an immigrant is an individual departing his native country to settle permanently in an intended host country, and adopt the customs and values of the host country while giving it his full loyalty.”

There are three myths that continue to confuse and deceive Canadians concerning identity, immigrants and immigration. The first is that Canada’s identity is based on immigration and multiculturalism. The second is that massive immigration compensates for anemic birthrates in order to pay for the pensions of Canadian seniors and to fill a supposed labor shortage. The last is that massive amounts of immigration boost Canada’s economic success and security. These are myths perpetuated over and over again by lawyers, politicians and religious groups. The cold hard facts of reality will easily refute such chicanery. At the end of the day, Canadians and immigrants deserve an accountable, healthy and responsible immigration system that benefits Canada’s own economic self-interests.”

http://www.cireport.ca/2012/01/slaughtering-sheep-the-planned-destruction-of-canadas-sovereignty-by-mass-immigration.html

As for the “guilt”...they need to acknowledge, & remember it but they should never surrender to it.


34 posted on 12/11/2012 1:13:34 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Borges

1. I not sure about their immigration policy, but their constitution is extremely rigid & it’s difficult to ratify since its creation after WWII...although they are trying to find ways to outlaw islam.

2. The EU was designed to collapse in order to create debt which the ECB uses to enslave Europeans & it’s on its way.


35 posted on 12/11/2012 1:19:36 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: ZULU

Don’t pack yet.

Michael Mannheimer:

Each week 7 Germans are killed by immigrants, about 3,000 fall victims to crime with severe injuries.

Since German reunification, about 7,500 were killed by (mostly Muslim) immigrants. And 3 million German were victims of violent attacks by immigrants.

The media have gone to great lengths to obscure the background of the perpetrators: a Mahmut becomes Manfred, Ali becomes Albert, or whatever. Turkish perpetrators are depicted as “young people with a Mediterranean appearance,” Naturalized migrants are basically all “German”. Political hacks and media cover up the largest death toll of indigenous Germans since the Second World War by an alien power. Thus, they are guilty in deceiving their own people. Moreover, with its systematic concealment, by whitewashing, trivialisation, with their constant reference to alleged “individual cases” they have become accomplices of the criminals.

Convert this site:
http://michael-mannheimer.info/2012/01/30/seit-der-wiedervereinigung-wurden-7500-deutsche-von-auslandern-ermordet/


36 posted on 12/11/2012 1:23:35 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bayouranger

I remember in the movie “Conan the Barbarian” some of the protagonists bemoaned the rise of the snake cult towers. I see Islam the same way. It is a sort of bacillus that will destroy western civilization if it is not halted in its tracks.


37 posted on 12/11/2012 2:57:38 PM PST by driftless2
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To: allmendream

Being too PC perhaps?


38 posted on 12/11/2012 4:46:21 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: bayouranger

Thanks. Great site. I can understand some German. Maybe I’ll start posting there also.

Non-Muslims of ALL types from Buddhists to Zoroastrians and everything in between have to unit to step on this snake and kill it - NOW.


39 posted on 12/11/2012 5:31:51 PM PST by ZULU (See video: http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/09/the-first-siege-of-vienna.html)
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To: bayouranger

So, this is global and planned.

Why do the white Europeans, Americans and Canadians believe they will remain in uncontested power once there is a majority of Muslim immigrants whom they themselves imported to change their own country?

It is a global delusion.


40 posted on 12/11/2012 7:04:40 PM PST by reformedliberal
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