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Teens Ask for Smoke, Kill Woman When She Replies "Get a Job": Cops
NBC 10 ^ | December11, 2012

Posted on 12/11/2012 9:12:36 AM PST by Hojczyk

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To: Hojczyk

Punish them both with whips and red-hot irons! Sorry, there is no such thing as cruel and unusual punishment for what these two have done.


51 posted on 12/11/2012 10:17:38 AM PST by NRA1995 (CNN should be PNN (Propaganda, Never News))
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To: All
Back in 1986, during the Mets hay days, I was walking from Shea Stadium in N.Y. to my car which was parked near a marina. I saw a male black teen maybe around 14 or 15 years old ask an older white male walking nearby with his girlfriend or wife if he had a cigarette. When the white male said no the teen pulled out a knife and said “Then I'll have take your money”. The white guy pulled out .38 cal snub nose revolver and told the teen, “The hell you will”. The teen dropped the knife, started backing away saying “OK I'm leaving Mr. Please don't shoot me? I was hoping he plugged him anyway. They are predators.
52 posted on 12/11/2012 10:19:24 AM PST by Wiggins
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To: Hojczyk

Obama’s sons!


53 posted on 12/11/2012 10:36:24 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: stuartcr
I’m stating that all persons that violently attack you for refusing to let them bum a cigarette are humans.

I strongly disagree. Those types are bipedal animals.

54 posted on 12/11/2012 10:52:51 AM PST by GingisK
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To: GingisK
I strongly disagree. Those types are bipedal animals.

I see all socialists in exactly the same light. Their actions are anti-human, and those of a rival species.

55 posted on 12/11/2012 11:08:17 AM PST by fattigermaster
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To: Hojczyk

Clearly the white woman disrespected the black youths. She told them to get a job and that is the white man’s burden not theirs. Not with Obama in office


56 posted on 12/11/2012 11:17:22 AM PST by shoff (Vote Democratic it beats thinking!)
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To: Hojczyk

57 posted on 12/11/2012 11:36:55 AM PST by Gritty (I enjoy living in the 3rd World. Soon Americans will be able to do so from the comfort of home-FReed)
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To: Hojczyk

Is anyone else getting sick of this world?


58 posted on 12/11/2012 11:38:33 AM PST by Epsdude
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To: Oztrich Boy

If Hussein had sons.....


59 posted on 12/11/2012 11:46:50 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: 2001convSVT

And all the world reverts to the stone age. Or am I being too generous?


60 posted on 12/11/2012 11:49:24 AM PST by mrsmel (One Who Can See)
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To: stuartcr

stuart, please! You are not that stupid, you’ve been here since 1998. If they are going to kill you over a cigarette, they maybe humans, maybe, but they are savages for sure.


61 posted on 12/11/2012 11:57:17 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Puppage
Wow, you just click through their FB friends and you see such a nasty underbelly of American culture.

Beaver Falls PA looks like one of the crappiest places on the planet. Dead end losers at every turn, though they all apparently have computers.


62 posted on 12/11/2012 11:58:14 AM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: GingisK

“I strongly disagree. Those types are bipedal animals.”

“Featherless bipeds”, in Plato’s words.


63 posted on 12/11/2012 12:12:33 PM PST by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: andy58-in-nh
What’s the over/under for jail time for these fine “yutes”? Even assuming a conviction...

90 days for the murder, 10 years for minors attempting to get cigarettes, 20 years for possession of a handgun.

All in all, since they're 13 & 14, they'll be in juvenile hall until 18, then have their records expunged, so they'll get a good criminal education and then REALLY go on a tear once 18 and released.

Mark

64 posted on 12/11/2012 12:12:42 PM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: stuartcr
I’m stating that all persons that violently attack you for refusing to let them bum a cigarette are humans

No, they are ill bred savages with no redeeming value.

65 posted on 12/11/2012 12:17:59 PM PST by Alaska Wolf (Carry a Gun, It's a Lighter Burden Than Regret)
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To: bigfootbob

ok, change it to savage humans


66 posted on 12/11/2012 12:38:35 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: Hojczyk

Black, aren’t they. That’s after reading just the headline. Now to read, and find out if I’m racist, or right.


67 posted on 12/11/2012 12:53:17 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: ExGeeEye; stuartcr
....aaaaaaaaaand, I'm right.

But stuartcr may possibly say I'm also racist.

That's OK. I haven't given a [fornication] about being called “racist” for years.

Actually thought about making up a T-shirt that says “OK, I'm racist. Now what?”

68 posted on 12/11/2012 1:14:36 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: ExGeeEye

???


69 posted on 12/11/2012 1:36:55 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: stuartcr

Looks almost like the Arizona Wildcats hand-sign. I’d be willing to bet that all of those kids pictures flashing the sign aren’t UofA fans.


70 posted on 12/11/2012 1:47:42 PM PST by machogirl (First they came for my tagline, (it's back). 2008, the Decline of America)
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To: Hojczyk

Published: Monday, December 10, 2012, 8:52 a.m.
Updated 2 hours ago

William Bailey watched his fiancee drift toward death in the moments after he says a teenager fatally shot her over a request to bum a cigarette.

“She had this look of peace in her eyes and it scared me to death,” Bailey, 28, said two days after paramedics loaded Kayla Peterson, 22, of Beaver Falls into an ambulance outside the home they shared on 13th Street. “I‘m still in shock. I‘m still expecting her to come through the door.”

Police on Monday were searching for two of the three Beaver Falls teens they say are responsible for killing Peterson, the mother of a 1-year-old girl. They charged Marcus Velasquez, 14, with homicide and other crimes in connection with the shooting, and Todavia Cleckley, 14, and Kyle Goosby Jr., 13, with conspiracy.

They arrested Goosby on Monday. Beaver County District Attorney Anthony Berosh said he intends to prosecute them as adults.

Attorney Michael Santicola is representing Goosby and said his client has never been in trouble, but in the past fought with the two other suspects.

“He is a 13-year-old boy who was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Santicola said. “He‘s been caught up in this thing.”

Relatives at Cleckley‘s home declined comment. No one answered the door at the Velasquez‘ home on Seventh Avenue.

Bailey said he didn‘t know any of the teens but knows their families.

“Family members have come to the house to apologize and give condolences,” Bailey said.

He said he bought cigarettes at J‘s News about 3:30 p.m. Saturday when three teens asked him for one and began following him.

“I didn‘t acknowledge them, I didn‘t look at them, I pretended I didn‘t hear them,” Bailey said. He walked the two blocks back to his house while they followed and shouted at him.

Peterson came out of the house and yelled at the teens to get a job and stop trying to bum cigarettes, Bailey said.

Police said it was Velasquez who pulled a gun out of his waistband and fired, striking Peterson.

“She said, ‘I can‘t feel my legs,‘ ” Bailey said. He helped her to the ground. “She told me she loved me and to love the baby for her.”

Peterson died about two hours later at Allegheny General Hospital. A witness saw Velasquez pull the gun, and Cleckley ran away with him after the shooting, police said. They used surveillance video to identify Goosby as the third teen involved.

“You never think someone is going to pull out a gun and shoot you. Especially not a 14-year-old,” said Peterson‘s stepfather, Wesley Chapman, 50, of New Sewickley.

Facebook photos on a profile under Cleckley‘s name show a young man posing with guns. Beaver Falls police Chief Charles Jones said he didn‘t know who was in the photos but that detectives used Facebook as part of their investigation.

“We‘re using every means available to us to investigate,” Jones said.

Duquesne law professor Wes Oliver said it is becoming increasingly common for young people to post evidence of criminal behavior on social media.

“There really is a more voyeuristic culture now among criminals, who really celebrate their crimes by putting pictures and even videos on Facebook,” Oliver said.

On his Facebook page, Cleckley says he “attended” Beaver Falls Area Senior High School. Santicola said Goosby is a student at Beaver Falls Middle School.

Big Beaver Falls Area School District Superintendent Donna Nugent issued a statement Monday saying two of the three suspects have not been “part of the student body or within the district‘s school buildings for over a year.” Nugent wouldn‘t specify which suspects. She said a letter to parents notified them about the incident and said counselors were available for students. She declined further comment.

Criminal justice experts say it‘s becoming more common for authorities to charge younger people with violent crimes such as homicide.

“I think the reason we see more of these cases brought against younger offenders has more to do with decisions by prosecutors to try these cases in adult court than it does an increase in the numbers,” said John Burkoff, a law professor at the University of Pittsburgh. “That‘s not to say it‘s wrong. I do think there certainly has been increasing sentiment to take the more serious and horrific cases into adult court whatever the age of the offender.”

Oliver pointed to the case of Wampum resident Jordan Brown, who was 11 when state police charged him as an adult with killing his father‘s pregnant fiancee and her unborn child.

A judge later moved Brown‘s case to juvenile court. Brown, now 15, was found delinquent and ordered held in juvenile detention until as long as his 21st birthday.

“There is a perception that there is a real problem with juvenile violence out there,” Oliver said. “That perception, whether it‘s true or not, is causing people to demand longer sentences for juveniles.”

Bailey, who planned to marry Peterson this summer, said she was devoted to their daughter, Elieonna, 1.

“She really was the rock in our family,” Bailey said. “I don‘t know what I‘m going to do.”

Sherry Chapman, her mother, said Peterson was an outgoing and strong-willed woman who spoke her mind.

“That‘s how she was,” said Sherry Chapman, 44. “She said it to the wrong kids.”

The family planned a funeral Wednesday. Wesley Chapman said the family would help Bailey with their granddaughter.

“She‘s all we have left of her,” he said.

Staff writer Bob Bauder contributed to this report. Margaret Harding is a staff writer for Trib Total Media. She can be reached at 412-380-8519 or mharding@tribweb.com.

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71 posted on 12/11/2012 3:02:22 PM PST by metalurgist ( Want your country back? It'll take guns and rope. Marxists won't give up peaceably.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
CNN is reporting Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others from the black community are calling for a march to stop this kind of violence...

And if ya believe that, you'll believe anything.

72 posted on 12/11/2012 3:51:19 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Oztrich Boy
CNN is reporting Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and others from the black community are calling for a march to stop this kind of violence...

And if anyone believes that, they'll believe anything.

73 posted on 12/11/2012 4:05:36 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: stuartcr

I knoew they were black from the headline. Racist, right? :)


74 posted on 12/11/2012 4:16:18 PM PST by ExGeeEye (I'll give y'all 90 days for the wounds to heal; then we start on 2014. Carpe GOP!)
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To: Mich Patriot

Todavia in spanish = still
Todavia in portuguese = however


75 posted on 12/11/2012 4:18:37 PM PST by Hotmetal (Home from the sandbox.)
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To: ExGeeEye

If that’s what you want.


76 posted on 12/11/2012 5:28:40 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: ExGeeEye

If that’s what you want.


77 posted on 12/11/2012 5:28:52 PM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: bigfootbob; re_nortex

That poster is most certainly that stupid and has been touting racial pollyanna crap long as I’ve been here

i’m guessing skin in game

the usual here


78 posted on 12/11/2012 9:25:16 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: icwhatudo; re_nortex; Pelham; Travis McGee; mrsmel

Blacks are THIRTY NINE times more likely to commit violent crime against whites than vice versa

That is hardly yada yada to those of us who have dealt with such bullshit all our lives...and fought back

it would only not matter to silly naive white people in areas where they have no minority issues but love to lecture those of us who do safely from their low crime areas

or a minority here whistling past the graveyard here for cause and effect...that is long been an ill here...and a group effort

or just a dumbass

so which are you?


79 posted on 12/11/2012 9:31:20 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

Thanks for bringing a much needed reality check to this thread. By the way, my post #49 was pulled when I attempted to cite a source for statistics of black-on-white crime. I subsequently found that linking to a report entitled, “The C*l*r of Crime” is verboten here on Free Republic. I’ve read it from beginning to end and found it well-documented, substantial, statistically-sound and amply footnoted. It’s a real eye-opener and serves as a wakeup call for those racial pollyanna types.


80 posted on 12/11/2012 9:34:09 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex
This sort of savage behavior by American youth is certainly not limited to blacks. There are voluminous examples of equally savage behavior by non-blacks.

Having said that, I believe it is very important for the civilized black community to fully acknowledge the shameful facts and statistics, and to forcefully repudiate such savagery.

Sadly, there are many people who will only pay attention to leadership when it comes from their own race.

Painting an entire race with a broad brush is not constructive, however, and I hope that it something most of us can all agree on. I understand the anger, but we need to be careful not to overgeneralize when such insanity occurs. It's not about color, it's about culture, values, parenting, and the like...

81 posted on 12/11/2012 9:58:09 PM PST by sargon
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To: wardaddy

“Blacks are THIRTY NINE times more likely to commit violent crime against whites than vice versa”

A point was made earlier in the thread that sought to imply that the murder of white people is “overwhelmingly” done by blacks. This is simply not correct. We can talk ratios, percentages, rates vs population makeup etc etc etc but the fact remains the vast majority of whites that are murdered are murdered by other whites.

Curious, who commits the majority of violent crime and rapes against white people? Is it blacks or whites?


82 posted on 12/11/2012 10:00:34 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: stuartcr
It's not a question of what anybody "wants."

It's a question of living in "reality" compared to living in PC fantasyland.

If you had children going off, say, to college near a big city, and you didn't teach them the reality about the risk of violence, you would be a bad parent. Imagine a parent living in the jungle telling his kids that panthers and sheep are equally cuddly and equally dangerous. Panthers and sheep. That would be stupid, and doing the child no favors. To put your PC blinders above the safety of your children would be equally as stupid as that.

The NYT, a liberal bastion, does the service of putting out an interactive crime map. I just did this screen capture:

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83 posted on 12/12/2012 5:18:06 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wardaddy

It’s amazing that the PC mindset can even overwhelm a parent’s need to prepare his kids to survive out in the world. A lot of silly college-age kids would be alive, if they were not sent out into the world believing that everybody they encounter on an urban sidewalk is just a friend they haven’t met yet.

Like sending attractive blond female reporters with flowing tresses to cover the riots in Cairo. Incredible, how strong PC is.

But it’s a sign of the times, in a society where we are going to soon send young ladies into all-out infantry ground combat, while millions of healthy young men sit at home playing video games.

The “reality reset” from all of this madness is going to be severe.


84 posted on 12/12/2012 5:26:33 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

One of the tenets of the leftist/humanist worldview is that all people are “basically good” and will act accordingly if only the proper environment is implemented by the elite.

So, therefore, if you don’t treat them like criminals, their inherent “goodness” will manifest and they will be no threat.


85 posted on 12/12/2012 5:38:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: icwhatudo
Curious, who commits the majority of violent crime and rapes against white people? Is it blacks or whites?

What absurd thinking you have. You must have noticed that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton only care when a white person (allegedly) commits a crime against against a black. That they never speak out about black on black rape murder etc. They don't care about that.

Fact is the screaming and racial passions come with crimes that are committed black on white and white on black. This is called inter-racial crime. Fact is that blacks commit crimes against whites (assault murder rape theft) at least ten times more than whites committing crimes against blacks

86 posted on 12/12/2012 5:39:52 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: MrB

And parents that dumb sends equally dumb kids out into the urban jungle every day.


87 posted on 12/12/2012 5:45:02 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Sounded to me that he wanted to be considered a racist, thus my response.


88 posted on 12/12/2012 6:05:59 AM PST by stuartcr ("Everything happens as God wants it to, otherwise, things would be different.")
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To: dennisw

Not sure how its absurd to ask a question while engaging in a discussion. There are websites that simply live off of false claims made by conservatives. Continuing to use false statements simply hurts the cause and makes can cause good points (like the amount of black on white crime vs amount of white on black crime) to be ignored.

When the Tea Party marched on Washington, some conservatives were posting images that were clearly proven to be from the Million Man March. When some tried to make the correction, they were attacked in the same (”jackass”/ “absurd”) manner that seems to be happening here.

Don’t confuse a desire for strong factually correct conservative arguments as some sort of liberal troll attack.

First the claim was made that most whites that are murdered are murdered by blacks which is simply not true.

Then the point was made that blacks are “39 times” more likely to do such and such, and now you are saying at least “10 times”. So we have one factually incorrect statement, and two other statements that vary between factors of ten and 39.

How about someone post or link the latest statistics based on race and we can all see for ourselves that yes, blacks attack whites more than the other way around, and yes whites are responsible for more rapes, murders, etc of their fellow whites than blacks are.


89 posted on 12/12/2012 6:39:06 AM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: icwhatudo
Go look up the statistics yourself. Inter-racial crime and violence is a one way street. I hope you are intelligent enough to see this much at least. But look here to learn something>>>>>>>

 

But in fact, white-on-black crime is a statistical rarity. According to data from the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), an estimated 320,082 whites were victims of black violence in 2010, while 62,593 blacks were victims of white violence. That same year, according to the Census Bureau, the white and black populations in the U.S. were 196,817,552 and 37,685,848, respectively. Whites therefore committed acts of interracial violence at a rate of 32 per 100,000, while the black rate was 849 per 100,000. In other words, the “average” black was statistically 26.5 times more likely to commit criminal violence against a white, than vice versa. Moreover, blacks who committed violent crimes chose white victims 47.7% of the time, whereas whites who committed violent crimes targeted black victims only 3.9% of the time.

For many years and for a wide variety of crimes, this pattern has been among the most consistent findings of criminal-justice research. Nationwide in 2010, there were approximately 67,755 black-on-white aggravated asaults, as compared to just 1,748 white-on-black crimes of the same description. Thus, blacks committed acts of interracial aggravated assault at a rate of 181 per 100,000—fully 201 times higher than the white rate of 0.9 per 100,000. Moreover, blacks guilty of aggravated assault chose white victims 44.1% of the time, while whites who committed aggravated assault selected black victims only six-tenths of 1% of the time.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1628

 


90 posted on 12/12/2012 7:29:54 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: stuartcr

Sounds to me that you want to be considered a PC-uber-alles ninney, thus my response.


91 posted on 12/12/2012 8:33:56 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dennisw

Interesting find. But the PC zombies are impermeable to facts. They would literally send their children into dangerous urban jungles with heads full of Kumbaya, so deep is their PC.


92 posted on 12/12/2012 8:36:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: wardaddy

Figures. Thanks.


93 posted on 12/12/2012 8:57:12 AM PST by bigfootbob
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To: Travis McGee

Stuart is back to “being stuart”... intentionally obtuse.

For a while there, he was OK, but he relapsed.


94 posted on 12/12/2012 8:59:08 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: icwhatudo
First the claim was made that most whites that are murdered are murdered by blacks which is simply not true.

You are correct on this but is an irrelevant point. Also true is that blacks are preying on their own more often than on whites (murder rape assault) but so what because>>>

In the racially charged America of today what makes headlines and gets people angry and making big crusades (like w Trayvon Martin) is inter-racial crime. Not crime within the black race or the white race. And contrary to what the mass media and the black& white liberal race agitators want you to believe, the crime statistics show black on white crime to be way out of proportion to white on black on black crime. 

 

95 posted on 12/12/2012 10:17:31 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: Travis McGee

The mother and father remain living in the nice suburbs where they can vote for Obama or be a liberal Republican and be far away from racial crime.....They can maintain their illusions at no cost to themselves. But it is cruel not to better educate their children on black_on_white_crime. Children who will be living in an urban environment during college and maybe post-college where their friends and jobs are. The parents are plain stupid on this, they don’t want to know any better. The end result being cruelty to their child who is too naive and trusting in his/her new urban environment......Which can get you raped, killed or crippled for life or brain damaged for life.


96 posted on 12/12/2012 10:19:24 AM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: dennisw
In the racially charged America of today what makes headlines and gets people angry and making big crusades (like w Trayvon Martin) is inter-racial crime. Not crime within the black race or the white race. And contrary to what the mass media and the black& white liberal race agitators want you to believe, the crime statistics show black on white crime to be way out of proportion to white on black on black crime.

Very well said and, not surprisingly, I concur 100%.

Another condition that makes the epidemic of blacks attacking innocent whites ("White Girl Bleed a Lot") is the justice system. Both the law enforcement agencies and the judicial system have been so cowed by the relentless advocacy by race hustlers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and their leftist enablers that they no longer administer punishment on an equitable basis. The well-known "document not allowed to be linked here on FR" cites irrefutable statistics revealing that the law weighs less heavily on black criminals. As you alluded to, the extreme burdens placed on George Zimmerman for his well-justified defensive actions are proof that justice has now become a respecter of color.

I'll also add that the Marxist media contributes to this poisoned atmosphere when the world is depicted upside down. Dick Wolf's "Law and Order" series is but one example. Invariably, on "L&O", the villain is a white, heterosexual, Christian male (and often his children go to private school) and the victim is typically a black. The agenda is transparent and utterly divorced from reality.

97 posted on 12/12/2012 12:33:40 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

“document not allowed to be linked here on FR” a publication by JaredT I get it :)


98 posted on 12/12/2012 1:34:40 PM PST by dennisw (The first principle is to find out who you are then you can achieve anything)
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To: dennisw

And that is the result, repeatedly.

Lambs being sent to the slaughter, because their PC-addled parents told them that there were no wolves, just sheep they haven’t sung Kumbaya with yet.


99 posted on 12/12/2012 2:58:39 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dennisw

Not sure what it is you think I am disagreeing with you on.


100 posted on 12/12/2012 3:00:03 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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