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Obama: Look at Michigan to See How Unions Built America’s Middle Class
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 10, 2012 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 12/10/2012 5:28:25 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai
Obama: Look at Michigan to See How Unions Built America’s Middle Class

Judging by the long-term results, that headline should read,

Look at Michigan to See How Unions Destroyed America's Middle Class!

No need to take it on faith.
Just drive or fly to Detroit and see for yourself!

51 posted on 12/10/2012 7:25:42 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: RobertClark

Obama says it has nothing to do with economics and everything to do with politics eh? Sort of like the sound economic policy of getting the rich to “pay a ltlle more” to solve the 16 trillion dollar debt.


52 posted on 12/10/2012 7:28:50 PM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Olog-hai
Hey screwup...
DETROIT!
'nuff said.

53 posted on 12/10/2012 7:30:35 PM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Olog-hai
Who writes this stuff for him?
Many, if not most of them are ex-union thugs.

What they’re really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money.
I'd like to ask those insane union screamers just two questions :

If you hire someone to do a job for you, who ultimately decides what the work is worth?

If you are hired to work for someone else, who ultimately decides what the work is worth?

54 posted on 12/10/2012 7:31:54 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: Slyfox
Private enterprise built the original Michigan middle class.

Actually, with respect to America, the middle class was already there. It was just known by a different name.

Back in the age of aristocracy, the term "middle class" wasn't used at all. The division was between the High and the Low. The High were royalty, aristocracy, knighthood and gentry. The Low were commoners.

But as society progressed through the Middle Ages and afterwards, a third class developed. Distinctively, they were people without the authority to lord it over others but also beholden to none. Unlike the peasant, they were free.

It's this class that was the original middle class. In America, they were known as "yeomen farmers" because America started off agricultural. A yeoman farmer was not wealthy or powerful, but he owned his own land and answered to no man: he only answered to the law of the land.

When you see this, you'll realize that America began as a middle-class nation. Those yeoman farmers had signature middle-class virtues like diligence, forethought and courtesy. They also had a surprisingly high literacy rate long before the first public school opened.

[For the last, you can thank Protestantism. Sola scriptura doesn't mean a lot if you don't know how to read Scripture. Consequently, the Protestants saw literacy as a religious duty except for slaves. The Catholics, of course, followed suit.]

So you could say with a lot of accuracy that America was always middle class. The yeoman farmer, and his analog in the trades, put the drop on the notion that the American middle class is peculiarly modern. The liberals who like to claim the unions built the middle class are like the EPA ideologues who like to claim that the EPA is responsible for the clean air in the countryside.

55 posted on 12/10/2012 7:31:54 PM PST by danielmryan
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To: Sarah Barracuda

visit? i think you meant to say they have a full time staff there bowing all day.


56 posted on 12/10/2012 7:38:19 PM PST by BrianE ("Dead at 25 buried at 65 the average American" - Benjamin Franklin 1776)
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To: Hoodat; cripplecreek

That fourth one is actually in Manila


57 posted on 12/10/2012 7:41:12 PM PST by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: publius911
Look to Detroit for the future..

100 Abandoned Houses (this one will really break your heart to see these once-beautiful homes)

Michigan Central Station:

Farwell Building:

David Whitney Building:

More: March and Meffre photography

Abandoned neighborhoods in depopulated Detroit

100 Abandoned Houses (this will really break your heart to see these once-beautiful homes)

58 posted on 12/10/2012 7:41:25 PM PST by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: hattend
What? That is an actual picture? Good GOD!

First time I saw that I thought "photoshop." Reminded me of Favelas in Brazil.*

* A favela is the term for a shanty town in Brazil, most often within urban areas. In the late 18th century, the first settlements were called bairros africanos (African neighborhoods...) and they persist, little changed, to this day.

59 posted on 12/10/2012 7:44:08 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius 6961, formerly jennsdad)
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To: NVDave

That’s all true - but at the same time Marxism, socialism, and to some degree communism (like the UAW early founders) but no mention of overt racism:

Enter Mayor Coleman Young.

This assclown stoked hatred towards whitey unlike anyone else, ever.

His timing was perfect to set up Detroit to be sacked up there with Rome and Alexandria.


60 posted on 12/10/2012 7:45:33 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: danielmryan

I come from a family of Michigan farmers and small business owners. The feds only muck stuff up when they don’t stick to what our Founders intended for them to do. Most of my family has left Michigan and are happily voting in red state America.


61 posted on 12/10/2012 7:49:56 PM PST by Slyfox (The key to Marxism is medicine - V. Lenin)
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To: Olog-hai

You didn’t build that!


62 posted on 12/10/2012 7:56:01 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: hattend; cripplecreek

Yeah, I messed that one up. I had wanted to post five pics. I had six URL’s and meant to eliminate that one from the list. I inadvertently deleted another one instead. Incidentally, that pic came up in a search for Flint slums.


63 posted on 12/10/2012 8:04:28 PM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Olog-hai

The Unions killed Detroit by pricing their Labor out of the car market.

Currently the Government Unions are killing us taxpayers by the much higher cost of Government Labor than Private Labor.

Labor Unions and Government see money as a zero sum game. Their job is to keep taking more and more and to be increasingly arrogant about it.

The more harm that Unions and Government can do to business and taxpayers the easier it is for them to strike or propose some hokey ‘Cliff’ to bully, gangster-style, money from us who actually do non-predatory work and pay taxes to the predators in the Unions and Government.

Both Unions and Government are so arrogant that they are offended that somehow they should be held accountable for the great harm that they have done to America.


64 posted on 12/10/2012 8:16:17 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Olog-hai

Unions built the middle class huh. Let’s go ask the steel workers of Pennsylvania how that’s working out for them.


65 posted on 12/10/2012 8:17:10 PM PST by Drill Thrawl (We have crossed the line from independence & liberty to dependency & servitude. We are doomed)
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To: NVDave
But if you’re trying to be a legit, law-abiding business owner... Detroit is the last place in the US where you’d set up shop.

Quicken Loans?

66 posted on 12/10/2012 8:20:32 PM PST by mcenedo (lying liberal media - our most dangerous and powerful enemy)
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To: Olog-hai
"...to see how unions have helped build not just a stronger middle class but a stronger America.”

Henry Ford, and dozens of other "crass, heartless Capitalists" built the American Middle Class in Michigan and elsewhere.

Other than men like that, we would all still be sloping pigs on some dirt poor farm... if we were lucky. Ford and others had the freedom to dream and create, and everyone benefited.

Contrary to popular myth, Unions had zero to do with creating the middle class in this country or anywhere else. Unions only came to be because there was something valuable created, and the extra resources to support it.

Wealth invested (risked) in more efficient production, new ideas and methods and ever higher levels of productivity and value created the middle class.

Unions only came to be because there were excess resources that they could feed upon.

When we reach the point where the Henry Fords of today see investing in new ideas as financial suicide, we are done and the Middle Class will cease to exist.

We, i.e. 98% of us will go back to being peasants relying on our lords and masters for our subsistence while we slop the lord and master's hogs instead of following our own dreams.

I think that is exactly what the Alinski-Obama machine wants to happen. It is far easier to rule over totally dependent peasants than over a free and productive middle class who can make their own decisions.

Remember, from Carl Marx to today, the left never hated the rich. Most of the support for the left from Fredrick Engles 150 years ago to George Sorus today comes from the rich. The left would not exist without funding from the 'rich.'

From Marx to Engles and today's left there real target for destruction is not the rich, but the Bourgeoisie -- i.e. the Middle Class.

Obama talks about helping the middle class. BS. His intention is to destroy it.

67 posted on 12/10/2012 8:24:33 PM PST by Ditto
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To: Olog-hai

Yep, looking at Detroit.


68 posted on 12/10/2012 8:54:20 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Slyfox

Obama so despises the private sector he can not give it any glory.


69 posted on 12/10/2012 9:08:53 PM PST by RginTN
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To: ponygirl

There is some incredible and beautiful architecture in the Midwest, most of it built many decades ago. The above reminds me of the Arcade in Cleveland.

70 posted on 12/10/2012 9:10:30 PM PST by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Olog-hai

I sure am glad he has such a big mouth, since he just keeps sticking feet into it.


71 posted on 12/10/2012 9:13:43 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: molson209

Look on the bright side - the more speeches we force, the fewer executive orders he’s in his office to issue.


72 posted on 12/10/2012 9:17:20 PM PST by arderkrag (An Unreconstructed Georgian, Forever in Rebellion.)
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To: Olog-hai

I have yet to see a Union come up with an idea to build anything...except a bigger Union. There is not a creative bone in their combined bodies. There is not one Union that invented anything, took a risk, employed anyone (except Union leaders and staff) or created a successful business. The Unions are simply blood-sucking leeches who live off of and have hoodwinked their captive members into submission and the belief that they are all too stupid to exist without the Union direction and control.


73 posted on 12/10/2012 9:21:12 PM PST by CitizenM (Obama - The architect of the decline of the U.S.)
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To: BenLurkin

74 posted on 12/10/2012 9:28:18 PM PST by MestaMachine (It's the !!!!TREASON!!!!, stupid!)
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To: Olog-hai

The unions destroyed the US auto industry!


75 posted on 12/10/2012 9:29:15 PM PST by dalereed
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To: quantim

I grant your points. I’ve looked at the census and demographic curves, as well as the tax receipts for Detroit. While everything you say is true, and was a contributing factor in the larger picture, there were enough whites left in the city who were holding down jobs, maintaining neighborhoods, serving on boards of this, that and some other thing, running government... until the ‘67 riots followed then (as you so precisely point out), by Coleman Young showed up on the scene.

The ‘67 riots accelerated the rate of white flight, Young effectively said “...And stay out!”

In the history of American urban governance, I can’t think of too many other mayors who were so fundamentally destructive of their cities. David Dinkins was hapless and incompetent, but Young was venal.

Young, BTW, was a UAW hack from way back.


76 posted on 12/10/2012 9:42:12 PM PST by NVDave
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To: Olog-hai

I know it might seem weird to say this, but I really feel sorry for leftists and statists.

Buying votes and power with the promise of big gubmint largesse and checks and benefits is easy. But trying to change human nature is impossible. They are doomed to a life of misery.


77 posted on 12/10/2012 9:45:27 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Zeppelin
“When unions get higher wages for their members by restricting entry into an occupation, those higher wages are at the expense of other workers who find their opportunities reduced. When government pays its employees higher wages, those higher wages are at the expense of the taxpayer. But when workers get higher wages and better working conditions through the free market, when they get raises by firm competing with one another for the best workers, by workers competing with one another for the best jobs, those higher wages are at nobody's expense. They can only come from higher productivity, greater capital investment, more widely diffused skills. The whole pie is bigger - there's more for the worker, but there's also more for the employer, the investor, the consumer, and even the tax collector. That's the way the free market system distributes the fruits of economic progress among all people. That's the secret of the enormous improvements in the conditions of the working person over the past two centuries.” ― Milton Friedman, Free to Choose: A Personal Statement
78 posted on 12/10/2012 9:51:53 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Eric Blair 2084
That echoes what Winston Churchill said about socialists:
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its one inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
You destroy the middle class (bourgeoisie), you will never rise above a certain level.
79 posted on 12/10/2012 9:54:15 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
If somebody has to take the hit for corporations shutting down US operations and moving to third world countries it ought to be "Big Labor".

In most manufacturing industries, the impact of regulations is greater than the cost differential of labor.

80 posted on 12/10/2012 10:07:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Olog-hai

We are preaching to the choir here.

It’s a lot more fun to express those free market views in a liberal forum. It makes their heads spin.

Even suggesting that mandatory seat belt laws is an unnecesary gubmint function will make them think we are from another planet.

We understand how the left thinks. I read the NY Times 10 free articles per month. :-)


81 posted on 12/10/2012 10:12:10 PM PST by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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To: Moonman62
One could do pretty well doing demo work in Detroit, using those beautiful materials and workmanship in new buildings and renovations... elsewhere.

Of course, the work crew would need an APC and guards with automated weapons.

82 posted on 12/10/2012 10:15:24 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Moonman62
There is also Michigan Central Station. Abandoned by Amtrak in 1988; no tracks go there now. (The left’s first target in this country was the railroads.)


83 posted on 12/10/2012 10:18:44 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: cripplecreek

No palm trees in Detroit, even with “global warming”....


84 posted on 12/11/2012 2:50:46 AM PST by fivecatsandadog (Reality ruins everything.)
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To: Olog-hai

“Who writes this stuff for him?”

Marx.


85 posted on 12/11/2012 2:57:28 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: NVDave

“Detroit is the last place in the US where you’d set up shop.”

Local Metro Detroit news stations have reported that there are people who have found Detroit to be an attractive place to live today. However, they’re mostly multi-culturalist liberals and people seeking a reliable “sanctuary city” among others.


86 posted on 12/11/2012 3:01:58 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Olog-hai

Gee the sky sure looks pretty in that pic...


87 posted on 12/11/2012 3:04:40 AM PST by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: Olog-hai

Look at Detroit. It looks worse than Hiroshima in 1945!

What caused this catastrophe?

Lyndon Bird’s Great Society for starters.

The evil unions who have grabbed for the brass ring and got a lunch pail full of them with some credit due to the auto company management who treated them like spoiled children.

At present the average wage is $137,000 dollars per year with generous breaks for binge drinking and smoking pot!

Now that it looks like the ruins of a city after many bombing runs. It appears that the only people who enjoy it are the arabs that live here by the thousands. It now resembles home to them.

Too bad the cliff isn’t closer to Detroit. A problem could be resolved a bit quicker.


88 posted on 12/11/2012 4:36:21 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: Olog-hai

You are so right. At what point did Barry decide to live in an alternate universe from everyone else?


89 posted on 12/11/2012 4:48:42 AM PST by Delta Dawn (The whole truth.)
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To: Olog-hai

And Detroit is a perfect example...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/search?q=detroit


90 posted on 12/11/2012 4:48:48 AM PST by traderrob6
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To: ilgipper
We now know a great number of imbeciles believe whatever comes out of his mouth...regardless of any factual basis.

Determining truth from lie requires research and thought; something the gimme class has an aversion toward.

91 posted on 12/11/2012 4:49:01 AM PST by liberalh8ter (If Barack has a memory like a steel trap, why can't he remember what the Constitution says?)
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To: traderrob6

“And Detroit is a perfect example...”

Isn’t Dearbornistan also in Michigan?


92 posted on 12/11/2012 5:04:32 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: corlorde
He is still acting and talking like a community organizer.

..any reason to use Air Force One and give speeches

93 posted on 12/11/2012 5:51:03 AM PST by opentalk
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To: Olog-hai

The purpose of unions is to extort businesses into paying union members more than they are worth on the free market. This results in higher pay for members, but reduced employment overall. States with right-to-work have lower unemployment.


94 posted on 12/11/2012 6:03:16 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: BenLurkin

LMAO! That was hysterical!


95 posted on 12/11/2012 6:03:45 AM PST by Personal Responsibility (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act - Orwell)
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To: Olog-hai

Music From the Elegant Ballrooms of Detroit






Would that be including the Hotel and Food-service, and Musicians Unions?

ML/LTOS
(El Kabong)

96 posted on 12/11/2012 6:05:42 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the Darkroom that Develops Negatives.)
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To: ilgipper

“The sad thing isn’t that he says it. We now know a great number of imbeciles believe whatever comes out of his mouth...regardless of any factual basis. For about 2.5 years I thought enough people saw through this crap. Now I am just sad to see that is not the case.”

The true sad thing is the MSM is responsible for representing the American people and they have failed to live up to their jobs.

We should do everything we can to destroy the MSM and create true citizen journalists who will represent the people. We all knew who and what Obama was. The media hid him from the public and using groupthink, racism, sexism and homophobia managed to turn more than half the country against its founders.


97 posted on 12/11/2012 6:13:51 AM PST by EQAndyBuzz (You cant bring something to its knees that refuses to stand on its own)
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To: cripplecreek

Obama’s continued attempt to subvert state rights is an assult on our federal system.

is an “assult” worse than an “insult” or “as*hole” “insult” gives us the “assult”

perhaps we can re institute the 10 th amendment and sanity to our government.

teeman


98 posted on 12/11/2012 6:42:26 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: hattend

No, that has been photo shopped.


99 posted on 12/11/2012 6:54:56 AM PST by madison10
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To: RedEyeJack

Yes, Dearbornistan is just west of Detroit. That’s another great place that went to heck.


100 posted on 12/11/2012 6:58:26 AM PST by madison10
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