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Obama: Look at Michigan to See How Unions Built America’s Middle Class
Cybercast News Service ^ | December 10, 2012 | Fred Lucas

Posted on 12/10/2012 5:28:25 PM PST by Olog-hai

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To: Olog-hai

Yeah, has odumba driven through Detroit lately? To think, this simpleton is in the WH.


101 posted on 12/11/2012 7:07:49 AM PST by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: Olog-hai
Obama: Look at Michigan to See How Unions Built America’s Middle Class

We're lookin'.

No thanks.

102 posted on 12/11/2012 7:25:18 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: cripplecreek

Forget DC. If you’re going to see change in America it’s going to happen at the state level. No doubt the union goons will try to recall Governor Snyder next year. Michigan will be the next battleground in the fight for American freedom.


103 posted on 12/11/2012 7:25:50 AM PST by dowcaet
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To: dowcaet

They’ve already tried to recall Snyder at least twice. The first time they couldn’t collect even half the signatures required. The second attempt was dropped the day after Scott Walker defeated the attempt in Wisconsin.


104 posted on 12/11/2012 7:29:53 AM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hoodat
I heard the producers of the recently released RED DAWN remake wanted to shoot in Detroit because they could save tons of money in set construction. The city already has that post apocalyptic war zone look.
105 posted on 12/11/2012 7:42:54 AM PST by ExSoldier (Stand up and be counted... OR LINE UP AND BE NUMBERED...)
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To: ExSoldier

I hear they’re doing a remake of Robocop. You KNOW they’ll shoot that one in Detroit.


106 posted on 12/11/2012 8:18:40 AM PST by Hoodat ("As for God, His way is perfect" - Psalm 18:30)
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To: Lazamataz
Latest on Michigan:

MI Politician Says Of Right-To-Work Effort: ‘There Will Be Blood’:

“We’re going to pass something that will undo 100 years of labor relations and there will be blood, there will be repercussions, we will re-live the battle of the overpass,” said state Rep. Doug Geiss (D-Taylor).

The battle of the overpass was a bloody fracas in 1937 between union organizers and Ford Motor Co. security guards. Walter Reuther was famously thrown down a flight of stairs and another union organizer was left with a broken back.


107 posted on 12/11/2012 9:02:02 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: PapaBear3625
They might get their wish.

Unintended consequences, you know.

108 posted on 12/11/2012 9:35:43 AM PST by Lazamataz (LAZ'S LAW: As an argument with liberals goes on, the probability of being called racist approaches 1)
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To: Lazamataz

What poster #97 said about the MEDIA needs real action. If we want to take America back, it means REAL SACRIFICE on all our parts by NOT WATCHING ANY OF THE MAIN STREAM MEDIA - no football games, no special shows, etc and BOYCOTTING some main advertisers...


109 posted on 12/11/2012 12:04:27 PM PST by princess leah
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To: corlorde

I’ve been to Manila and have actually seen worse. Along the railroad tracks there were houses built out of cardboard.I was there during the dry season. I imagine the wet season didn’t do the those houses any good. Out in the boonies people lived in primitive huts on stilts covered with coconut tree leaves. Those I would prefer to the shanty towns.


110 posted on 12/11/2012 1:02:51 PM PST by Starstruck (Washinton is presently building a diving board on the fiscal cliff)
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To: Olog-hai

Long, long past time for the revolution!

Who will head up our valiant fight against the forces of evil?

The Lone Ranger is dead. Superman died of an overdose of Krypton, Batman was boogered to death by Robin, Captain Marvel turned out to be not too marvelous, Catwoman is working the streets, Wonder Woman is living on the isle of Lesbos. OMG. Who’s left?


111 posted on 12/11/2012 1:12:58 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: BenLurkin

Merry Muslim, Detroit.

A class act once upon a time now governed by classless imbeciles.

No UAW workers live within the city limits.


112 posted on 12/11/2012 1:14:49 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: IbJensen
The Lone Ranger is dead. Superman died of an overdose of Krypton...

Can't be...I saw new movie trailers for both of them today...looked pretty alive to me. :-)

113 posted on 12/11/2012 1:16:34 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Walter made many trips to Moscow where he received his marching orders. He also, at the end of WWII, infamously journeyed to Europe to incite the troops in order to get them back to CONUS.

The Soviets didn't want a large American army left in Europe with all their battle paraphernalia. We watered it down, sent the troops home and Walter achieved a coup for his Soviet masters.

The UAW and ALL unions operating in the USA are anti-American at the top and mostly uninterested members paying their dues at the bottom.

114 posted on 12/11/2012 1:21:21 PM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: cruise_missile

The last time I was thru Detroit and Flint they resembled Berlin in 1945. The 8th Air Force built that. Are those guys still using Michigan for practice? Obamuzzie apparently don’t get around much to keep making up the meally mouthed krap that he comes up with.


115 posted on 12/11/2012 1:57:13 PM PST by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: Hoodat

You didn’t build that, the Democrat Party did.


116 posted on 12/11/2012 2:01:09 PM PST by matt04
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To: Moonman62

Agreed. Too bad so many will probable be town down due to decades of neglect following Democrat policies that caused them to be shut down.


117 posted on 12/11/2012 2:20:14 PM PST by matt04
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To: Olog-hai

bump


118 posted on 12/11/2012 3:12:31 PM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama is such a moron. He starts off saying it’s not about economics and then begins whining about...the economics.

But he’s right about it about politics...and the power of government.

To hell with unions, especially public sector unions. They are the #1 reason we are in debt.


119 posted on 12/11/2012 3:13:38 PM PST by Fledermaus (The Republic is Dead: Collapse the system. Let the Dems destroy the economy!)
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To: I Drive Too Fast

They didn’t build that!


120 posted on 12/11/2012 3:14:08 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: cripplecreek

BO is stirring the pot and has a hand in the violence of the Union thugs. Just like he stirs up racism and the poor against the rich. Community organizing at it’s finest from the Pres of the US.


121 posted on 12/11/2012 4:07:35 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: Olog-hai

OK, I have a beef with statements like this, and they’re not just from Uhbama.

Since when is anything related to unions “middle class”? Historically, that’s what they were griping was that they definitely were not getting rich and they were too poor to even make “middle class”. They were “working class” (another presumptuous term that implies the rest of us don’t work) i.e., lower class.

Maybe Uhbama is right - they’ve managed the commie crap of “money for nothing” that they ARE now “middle class” in earnings, thanks to unions getting them more for less.


122 posted on 12/11/2012 5:27:09 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Olog-hai
Labor unions did not build the middle class. The Industrial Revolution, and the resulting manufacturing economy, built the middle class. Labor unions were an artifact of the industrial revolution.

Look at China right now. A dramatic increase in the manufacturing economy is drawing people from farms to the cities, and creating a middle class. It has nothing to do with labor unions.

This is a Cargo Cult mentality. Just because labor unions were around during the rise of the middle class does not mean creating more labor unions will increase the middle class.

123 posted on 12/11/2012 6:42:40 PM PST by magellan
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To: dandiegirl

He won’t like the end result.


124 posted on 12/11/2012 7:08:51 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

LOL. If I owned a Newspaper I would run this as a headline(LOOK WHAT UNIONS BUILT) with a picture of the most “bombed out” area of Detroit Michigan, and a caption under the picture: WARNING TO RIGHT TO WORK STATES - Unions want to export this travesty to your town next.


125 posted on 12/11/2012 7:46:38 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: who knows what evil?

Useless clones.


126 posted on 12/12/2012 4:29:32 AM PST by IbJensen (Liberals are like Slinkies, good for nothing, but you smile as you push them down the stairs.)
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To: NVDave

I was in Detroit some years ago to participate in a fed investigation. We were at the federal building downtown and one of the local FBI guys ordered some pizzas and went downstairs to get the delivery. He was robbed at gunpoint on the steps of the building. One of the DEA guys we were working with said “he forgot the first commandment, never leave your desk without your weapon, even to go to the head.”


127 posted on 12/12/2012 6:42:26 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Carry_Okie
In most manufacturing industries, the impact of regulations is greater than the cost differential of labor.

Attempting to control the means of production by acquiring your competition is considered a tendency toward monopoly, which is frowned on by the Federal Government. If you push ahead with your plan the "Justice Department" will step in and block further acquisitions and perhaps insist that you divest your self of prior ones. This is true if you are talking about bricks and mortar, buildings, capital equipment, &c. It is not true when you are talking about people.

If you buy all the steel mills you are an evil capitalist and a monopolist. On the other hand if you organize all the workers in the steel industry you are hailed as a powerful "Labor Leader" and given a seat at the table by the Government. From your exalted position as a Labor Leader, you can promulgate rules that require a "closed shop". Thus any person seeking to work in the industry you "organized" must join your union and pay dues to get employment.

In this day and age, health and safety conditions are monitored by OSHA. Economic issues will be brought into balance by the marketplace if the artificial influence of unions is eliminated. Gold plated contracts are not paid for by Corporations, those costs are passed along to the end consumer of the product produced. If "Nanny State" regulations drive up the cost of production it only makes the situation worse for the consumer. One only need look at our domestic auto industry to see the effects of both over regulation and union bloat.

Regards,
GtG

PS Will the last person leaving Michigan please turn off the lights?

128 posted on 12/12/2012 10:25:54 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: BenLurkin

That’s the first thing that came to my mind.


129 posted on 12/12/2012 11:26:42 AM PST by do the dhue (WARNING: this site is not liable for the things I say)
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To: Olog-hai

The Kooks from KOS and DU...


130 posted on 12/12/2012 3:18:27 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Of course in this idiots mind the Unions built the middle class but small business no they didn’t build that.... someone else helped them along the way and they must give back...

So we get the real engine of economic growth the capitalist business sector, which did build the middle class, to pay more in taxes which we use in stimulus to bail out our union friends and the unions take the money in the form of dues from the employees and give it back to the Democrats in campaign contributions and PAC’s perpetuating the dependency cycle.

When the unions demand more and more from the businesses and finally wind up collapsing them (see Hostess) than the employees go and get their EBT, Food Stamps and Obamaphone, free Obamacare and section 8 housing, and of course government demands more money to pay for that cost increase pepetuating the cycle in perpetuity.


131 posted on 12/12/2012 3:27:41 PM PST by Typical_Whitey (The political mirage of something for nothing; has ruined many a nation.)
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To: Olog-hai

Are there any middle-class people left in Detroit?


132 posted on 12/12/2012 3:47:46 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Olog-hai

“What they’re really talking about is giving you the right to work for less money. “

Less money than unemployment, or less money than the unions get for their members by keeping others on unemployment?


133 posted on 12/12/2012 3:49:56 PM PST by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Attempting to control the means of production by acquiring your competition is considered a tendency toward monopoly, which is frowned on by the Federal Government.

You have hit upon here the central problem with unionization today: In the aggregate, a badly marketed product of poor quality that costs too much, in other words, a product of government-sanctioned monopoly. The problem is the National Labor Relations Act.

Were unions companies competing in marketing labor services, we would see a VERY different product. Competition would force them to make the most of each employee, building teams designed to meet changing customer demand. Customers might then find it attractive to offload their human resources, benefits management, disciplinary action, and pensions.

In this day and age, health and safety conditions are monitored by OSHA.

Socializing risk management is never a good idea.

Gold plated contracts are not paid for by Corporations, those costs are passed along to the end consumer of the product produced.

This is not completely true in that in a competitive market the producer is to a degree a price taker and because of economic substitution between markets.

If "Nanny State" regulations drive up the cost of production it only makes the situation worse for the consumer.

This is not true in an oligopoly market, which is what most industrial markets are today. Large concerns use the cost of regulation both to kill smaller competition and as a barrier to entry. They do it by having the tax exempt foundations of their major stockholders funding NGOs to do their dirty work. It ends up as a collusion between activists and agencies. Hence, it is no surprise that the owners of Exxon/Mobil and other major oil companies are big sponsors of carbon trading.

One only need look at our domestic auto industry to see the effects of both over regulation and union bloat.

This is a grossly over-simplistic citation. For example, government has used regulation as a way to export production to countries that own large blocks of treasury bonds. In other instances, regulations have killed domestic small businesses at the pleasure of major investors abroad. A classic example is Tyson Foods investing in aquaculture while sponsoring domestic Federal protection of anadromous fish curtailing commercial fishing. So I wouldn't advise such generalizations.

134 posted on 12/12/2012 10:23:41 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Richard Trunka visits the White House daily.

MSNBC only shows up on Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

Van Jones sleeps under Obama’s bed.


135 posted on 12/12/2012 10:26:45 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (They Live, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Carry_Okie
Socializing risk management is never a good idea.

Leaving it to your employer didn't work so well for coal miners! MSHA actually did a decent job of making mines a much safer place to work.

Regards,
GtG

PS Who watches the watchman's daughter?

136 posted on 12/13/2012 8:50:57 AM PST by Gandalf_The_Gray (I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
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To: Olog-hai
"The left’s first target in this country was the railroads"

Which is ODD because NOW they seem EXTREMELY enamored of "high speed" rail and public transportation! Talk about "finger in the wind!"

137 posted on 12/13/2012 9:30:10 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: publius911; Hoodat; hattend; corlorde; cripplecreek
I used to work as a Section 8 clerk in a major city in upstate NY (gov't housing). There's NO WAY the privileged minority class (Obama's sons/Holder's people) would move into a shantytown.

They want everything freshly painted, cleaned, inspected and top notch when they move in as though for royalty. Then they start the destruction process almost instantaneously.

Most don't stay in the same housing for more than a year because they can't stand living in conditions they themselves have created. Even animals know better than to defecate in their living/eating area.

138 posted on 12/13/2012 9:35:19 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: magellan

Yeah the same can be said for Slick Willy who happened to be prez when the Microsoft/Personal Computer boom was taking off; which was directly related to REAGAN policies. Of course Billy Boy took all the credit for THAT economy!


139 posted on 12/13/2012 9:40:29 AM PST by AbolishCSEU (Percentage of Income in CS is inversely proportionate to Mother's parenting of children)
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To: Gandalf_The_Gray
Leaving it to your employer didn't work so well for coal miners! MSHA actually did a decent job of making mines a much safer place to work.

Nineteenth Century fix. Had the mining unions been companies, they would have had the clout to take civil action instead. Put those who commit criminal acts of fraudulent representation of working conditions upon closure of the contract in J-A-I-L. Failing that, fix it by getting rid of judges and corrupt courts at the State level. Further, MSHA is an unconstitutional agency in the strictest sense and has now become abusive of its powers in collusion with larger companies. I've seen it. Let the Federalist system work and the competing industries will find the best balance between risk and oversight.

140 posted on 12/13/2012 10:02:35 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The Slave Party: advancing indenture since 1787.)
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To: Olog-hai

Look how they have killed Michigan.


141 posted on 12/13/2012 11:30:30 AM PST by Monorprise
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To: AbolishCSEU
Take a look at how they want to spend even ten to twenty times the amount on high speed rail than they do even overseas, though. France usually spends no higher than $12 million per mile, and over in California, costs have climbed to almost $100 million per mile for just infrastructure; and in the Northeast, they have some crazy notions to build a parallel high-speed “Northeast Corridor” for close to $250 million per mile.

What kills me is that back in the 50s, most of the private companies were looking at ways to speed up their trains to start competing with airlines and other transportation modes—and the lefties in government shut that all down with their piling on of taxation and regulation. (Remember that private railroads own the whole shebang down to the tracks and right of way, and don’t run on publicly owned and funded infrastructure like road traffic and airlines.)
142 posted on 12/13/2012 1:02:09 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

yes the founding fathers were union and built this country to greatness, shame those dirty money grabbers came over after and ruined the country.

ARF, double sarc.

What am idiot this man is and to think he has never done a damn days work in his life and now heads America which of course we have no idea still 3 months later where he was during the Libya attacks, did he watch live time, did he go to sleep and why he lied and went to Vegas


143 posted on 12/13/2012 4:58:48 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Slyfox

you mentioned forced busing.

I was not around during that time but I;ve never understood why some people thought it was a good idea to get blacks, take them to a white school or area and make them live with whites or go to school with them.

WHy not let them move and go where they wanted on their own free will, why the forced busing.?

My wife is from Boston thankfully I got her out of there and moved south to st augustine north east FL.and worked in south Boston where they had busing there.

The people said that it enevr worked, still does not work and that the policies have destroyed those areas and schools plus brought more drugs and violence .

Is that what happened in MI.?

I’ve been there to Detroit and it;s one of the biggest holes I;ve been to, no offence


144 posted on 12/13/2012 5:04:47 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: traditional1

the left harps on about choice, choice to kill a kid but not choice to join a group and have YOUR wages taken off you and then given to officials which you do not want.

Nah that;s not very corrupt, ARF


145 posted on 12/13/2012 5:07:21 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: molson209

imagine if Bush had acted in this way and was on the road gving speeches but never doing his job, the media would have gone mad but seeing as obama is their messiah the man has not done his job for one day and gets away with it.

Do you know still we have no idea where obama was during the Libya attacks, if he watched, did he go to sleep during the attacks and then off to Vegas.

Not the GOP nor the media has asked these questions


146 posted on 12/13/2012 5:11:18 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: molson209

imagine if Bush had acted in this way and was on the road gving speeches but never doing his job, the media would have gone mad but seeing as obama is their messiah the man has not done his job for one day and gets away with it.

Do you know still we have no idea where obama was during the Libya attacks, if he watched, did he go to sleep during the attacks and then off to Vegas.

Not the GOP nor the media has asked these questions


147 posted on 12/13/2012 5:13:23 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: ponygirl

wow, the building are beautiful it;s such a shame a nice city went to bring a third world crap hole and yet the people of that city made it so and then vote a party which throws a few crumbs out over time.

I;ve been to the city years ago and it was the worst city I have been to in this country


148 posted on 12/13/2012 5:19:09 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: Olog-hai

beautiful buildings left to rot and yet when they built those buildings it had character, today it;s all glass and crap.

after white flight and the left taking over the city went to crap.

The city brings down the state and good luck to the Gov there, he;ll need it dealing with the fools who run Detroit


149 posted on 12/13/2012 5:22:52 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: princess leah

the media need to be taken on, have AD’s naming names, pointing out facts and we have to do this going around the media to the public.

The amount of times I;ve mentioned an issue only to have someone say are you sure I saw the news last night and they never mentioned that.

The GOP and others need to get on their channels, get on live camera and call them out on live camera.

Today Bohner had his press crap and the media were repeating obama’s talking points, it was a joke.

If we had a media obama would still be a community trouble maker in the crap hole region of Chicago


150 posted on 12/13/2012 5:27:01 PM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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