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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 9 December 2012
Various driveby media television networks ^ | 9 December 2012 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 12/09/2012 4:56:19 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

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To: bray

Great Point, except there are no free markets anymore. The bigger problem is nobody understands the free market since it hasn’t been taught for about 50 years. It only exists in a small percentage of people’s daily lives.

Pray for America


I used to say “open markets.” I guess it would probably be more accurate to say “regulated markets.” All the same, while taking your point, I’d rather use an idealistic phrase from our side than an invective variation on it from theirs.


51 posted on 12/09/2012 8:09:29 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Alas Babylon!

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
—John Adams


One of my fave quotes too, AB.

If we ever get a chance to repair to new land and start over, we need take only a copy of the Constitution, a Bible, some scratch pads and pens—throw them down on a table, grab a seat, and say, “Hey, let’s get it so nobody can monkey with it this time.”


52 posted on 12/09/2012 8:12:16 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: bray

One of the amazing things about the attack which was very severe is it didn’t really bother me too much. Sure I dealt with the failure aspect but I only had about 200 come to my websites which most were the same clowns and only had around five phone calls from loons.

That was pretty mild but, I couldn’t put my wife through it.


53 posted on 12/09/2012 8:12:29 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: From The Deer Stand

Sir, you have just insulted snakes.


54 posted on 12/09/2012 8:12:51 AM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: PaleoBob

You are absolutely right and I should have said free markets since it is an ideal people understand. The bigger point I was trying to make is the manipulation from the media complex and the choice between man and God.


55 posted on 12/09/2012 8:15:03 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: PaleoBob

WOW!

Why didn’t you go to work for them? How about now...ha?


56 posted on 12/09/2012 8:18:13 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: PaleoBob

This brings us to the point of the financial collapse. If it does collapse there is only one economic system which can survive without massive gummit control and that is capitalism. It would rise out of the ashes just as it always does and thrive until we reform the gummit regulations.

The collapse theory relies on government surviving and then becoming a dictatorship. That may not happen since it needs a host to survive and the host will have been killed.

Pray for America


57 posted on 12/09/2012 8:20:04 AM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: PaleoBob

If Christie has half a brain he should become an independent. I would never vote for him for fat boy dog catcher,much less a higher office!! NO traitors!No fat basturd from NJ or no powelll.


58 posted on 12/09/2012 8:21:01 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I used to think that Heritage was a good group then I learned they went for obamacare and other stuff I could never support.


59 posted on 12/09/2012 8:22:57 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: bray

Good point & I have same hope - it may be our last chance to save America


60 posted on 12/09/2012 8:24:12 AM PST by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Debbie Stabenow on ABC provided the first real laugh out loud line I have heard in a long time, when she argued that a hige cost savings will come from reducing the Medicare overpayments to insurance company.

For the last year plus, I have been directly involved in the refunding of overpayments from insurance companies, Medicaid accross several states, and Medicare. If Debbie thinks that reducing overpayments is going to be a major reduction in spending, somebody needs to explain to her that overpayements are already being refunded. And the government cashes the checks. Is she saying that the refunds are going into a special slush fund instead of being recycled through the Medicare process?

61 posted on 12/09/2012 8:27:38 AM PST by Bernard (Clinton Era Tax Rates, Clinton Era Spending Levels)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Debbie Stabenow on ABC provided the first real laugh out loud line I have heard in a long time, when she argued that a hige cost savings will come from reducing the Medicare overpayments to insurance company.

For the last year plus, I have been directly involved in the refunding of overpayments from insurance companies, Medicaid accross several states, and Medicare. If Debbie thinks that reducing overpayments is going to be a major reduction in spending, somebody needs to explain to her that overpayements are already being refunded. And the government cashes the checks. Is she saying that the refunds are going into a special slush fund instead of being recycled through the Medicare process?

62 posted on 12/09/2012 8:27:42 AM PST by Bernard (Clinton Era Tax Rates, Clinton Era Spending Levels)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

WOW!

Why didn’t you go to work for them? How about now...ha?


I didn’t have the credentials. That’s PhD City. I was just a slug reporter.


63 posted on 12/09/2012 8:29:41 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: PaleoBob
I do wish that someday we could all meet in a room and agree to stop using the word “capitalism”—and refer to free markets instead.

Right! I'm long since there.

I've gotten myself in trouble even right here on FR for making that very point. My contention was that "capitalism" is a derogatory invective coined by Marx to demonize Economic Freedom.

A freedom that has been slowly withering from constant attack for over 100 years, right here in the US.

64 posted on 12/09/2012 8:33:02 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: rodguy911

Rod, I just did a casual search and did not see anything where Heritage backed obamacare. Maybe AARP? (for sure!).

Rush promotes them all the time. Probably a aponsor. I think/hope they are the good guys


65 posted on 12/09/2012 8:33:02 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: rodguy911

I used to think that Heritage was a good group then I learned they went for obamacare and other stuff I could never support.


Well, I visited there in the 1980s. It was in the 1990s they toyed with government health care concepts—they’ve never supported Obamacare. Their approach didn’t really take off back then though Rodham probably used it at some point during her kubuki dance as first lady.

Everybody gets something wrong somewhere along the way. Even the best. In any case, the place felt like “home” in a way no other place in DC ever did.


66 posted on 12/09/2012 8:34:46 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: shalom aleichem

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2011/10/20/how-a-conservative-think-tank-invented-the-individual-mandate/

Its here.Back in the late 80’s. Seems they may have had a change of mind as well.My first alert to it was also here on FR.There were a few other issues as well can’t come up with them right now.
You have a good point though.If Hannity and Rush are big supporter they are probably OK.


67 posted on 12/09/2012 8:36:51 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911
as Rush so adeptly says they are useless.

Useless!?

They are the enemy of the American people. Possibly the most dangerous we've ever faced.

68 posted on 12/09/2012 8:37:05 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: PaleoBob

I’ve learned to be very careful here. Every time I think I know something about something I am often proved wrong.I will look and see if there is anything else.


69 posted on 12/09/2012 8:39:27 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

I’ve gotten myself in trouble even right here on FR for making that very point. My contention was that “capitalism” is a derogatory invective coined by Marx to demonize Economic Freedom.


Americans have over time routinely adopted the language of the Left. I do it, you do it, we all do it. The media deluges us with an insane run of metaphors and imprecise language every day—they pick up most of it from government. Even the phrase “the economy” is more metaphor than fact. What is “the economy?”

I could go on.

I always loved that line in All The President’s Men where Deep Throat deplores the inexactitude of the press. I wish I could remember it verbatim. It always gives me a chuckle because it is so very right. And I should know having been the perpetrator so many times myself.


70 posted on 12/09/2012 8:46:12 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: rodguy911

I’ve learned to be very careful here. Every time I think I know something about something I am often proved wrong.I will look and see if there is anything else.


But you’re right on this one. Heritage did pursue single payer health care in white papers and such in the 1990s and I think Newt was advocating it back then too.

I just can’t crucify either for being wrong on this one thing one time long ago, that’s all.


71 posted on 12/09/2012 8:48:49 AM PST by PaleoBob
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To: Alas Babylon!

Hey Bray. After reading your post I found a couple of websites in your neck of the woods writing about this incident. You must have hit some nerves out there. The writings were the typical liberal missive. We Conservatives are brain dead, lead around by the nose by right wing radio and have no clue how the world works. After reading a few of the articles it became apparent that you hit the nail right on the head. They don’t like being called what they really are. Communists. Keep the faith Bray.


72 posted on 12/09/2012 8:53:43 AM PST by animal172 (RIP USA)
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To: rodguy911

Well yea. I found the WSJ attack on a Heritage think tanker for trying to extricate himself from a flip-flop. The old circular firing squad as we have recently witnessed in Oregon, it seems.

The think tanker even cited Milton Friedman as considering individual mandate a good thing.

Hopefully it is where we all are NOW and in which direction we are pointed.


73 posted on 12/09/2012 8:55:50 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: rodguy911

forgot the cite:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204369404577211161144786448.html


74 posted on 12/09/2012 8:57:34 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: rodguy911

Yipes..it is hard to figure out the players.


75 posted on 12/09/2012 9:03:45 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: PaleoBob
Even the phrase “the economy” is more metaphor than fact.

What is “the economy?”

As far as I'm concerned: It's the private property of We The People. The only reason that government can be considered to be participating in the economy, is how much private property they're stealing from the citizens.

I do it, you do it, we all do it.

I do my damnedest not to fall prey to that. I proudly sport an "I don't believe the liberal media" bumper sticker on my tank.

76 posted on 12/09/2012 9:04:28 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: shalom aleichem; rodguy911

yeah, strange...Bill Bennett loves them.


77 posted on 12/09/2012 9:05:54 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: rodguy911

I see the movement of DeMint as being a sign of things to come.

To that end, I am creating a list of planks for the soon-to-be Tea Party. Y’all can contribute your own thoughts for consideration.

FIRST-ANYBODY WHO COMPLAINS THE MEDIA IS BIASED CANNOT BELONG TO THE TEA PARTY!!!

Oh yeah, I know the media is biased and YOU know the media is biased. Let’s not cluck our collective tongues anymore, let’s just all agree that the current Mainstream media is biased and let them have their way. Being biased is NOT against the law. Sitting around and complaining about stuff does no good. DOING something about it is the way to go.

Which leads me to plank #2: The Tea Party shall have a Minister of Propaganda, let’s not call it anything else, let us nominate and elect someone whose only job is to each and every day mine the big newspapers, the major media and the Talk shows and rebut each and every stupid talking point those dolts repeat. The Minister of Propeganda (again, we will call it THAT so we have our own like THEY have a bunch and so that every time we mention OUR Minister of Propeganda we imply that they too are ministers of propaganda. Which they are.) will distribute the Tea Party talking points and guests on the major Blogs or Breitbart....that sort...will have rebuttals against the lamestream Ministers of Propaganda.

Finally, for now, I want somebody appointed, maybe under the “transparent gubmint” act, who is in charge of figuring out where all these gubmint numbers they throw at us come from.

Lookie, every time I started a new job, I NEVER took a darn soul’s word for the origins of the numbers on the financial statements, size of payroll, whatever numbers they might spout. Just as soon as they said that income was such and such, or expenses were such...I tell them to let me see.

I print out the General Ledger detail if I had to, and I’d question every number that made no sense to me. In my lifetime I’ve found many, many errors. Never just accept what someone “tells” you is fact.

Because working and figuring and planning based on bad numbers is simply stupid.

For one example, though I’ve got plenty, where the hell do they get those unemployment numbers come from? As I understand, the major payroll services, such as ADP, are major contributors to that report. I want the Tea Party auditor to see how ADP gets their numbers (did payroll all my life, I KNOW how it’s figured) and I want the auditor to take a real close look at what those boobs in the congressional budget office do with the numbers.

It’s time for us to know where they are figured come from and that’s high on my list for the new Tea Party.

Somebody tell Jim DeMint to call me.


78 posted on 12/09/2012 9:06:16 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

The TEAparty already exists in its best form; inside another party.

The quickest way to destroy it would be to turn it into an actual party structure, another one of a hundred “third parties”.

They need to get rid of Boner and replace him with a sharp TEApublican.


79 posted on 12/09/2012 9:12:54 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: ROCKLOBSTER

Mr. Lobster,

I accept your position though I totally disagree with it.

Back when I was a Union Representative (”Well Pat, sometimes the company IS right...” to my queries) the greatest phrase I learned, the phrase that righted a tilted world, a phrase that settles everything and should be used way more often: “WE SHALL AGREE TO DISAGREE”.

Amen.


80 posted on 12/09/2012 9:22:34 AM PST by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/)
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To: Fishtalk

So, what’s wrong with, “The Constitution Party” or “The Taxpayers Party” etc etc etc?

ROSS PEROT!


81 posted on 12/09/2012 9:28:06 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Fishtalk
PS

Regarding unions...the company is ALWAYS right.

82 posted on 12/09/2012 9:30:05 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: bray

and when they said, “fire” I ducked.

NICE!


83 posted on 12/09/2012 9:31:02 AM PST by maica
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To: Fishtalk
FIRST-ANYBODY WHO COMPLAINS THE MEDIA IS BIASED CANNOT BELONG TO THE TEA PARTY!!!

Oh, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with you here...

It has nothing to do with it being legal or not. But the fact is, the media sells THEMSELVES as being nonpartisan and not biased, and that is a big lie.

Maybe it's the word complaining, so I'll say--we shouldn't complain, but rather educate. We need to attack the media over every little lie, smear and innuendo, as well as their ommissions of facts that contradicate the meme they're trying to build. Twist and turn their biased questions like Chuck U. Shumer does. Hog the microphone, don't be little boy blue Milquetoast Mr Nice Guy.

Attack, attack, attack. NEVER surrender. Challenge them every step of the way.

Frankly, when's the last time we did this? Spiro Agnew? I think Agnew did a pretty good job taking the fight to them, if only the majority of conservatives had joined him.

Don't go on their shows. If you do, bring up the bias right away--call them on it. Bring up well published examples that, for example, Accuracy in Media or Rush has EVERY day.

I strongly believe it has been our quiet, no rebuking and rebutting of Left Wing media bias and advocacy that has led us to where we are today--in Obama's soon to be second term.

There's no way this communist should have been elected in the first place if the media had done their job telling the truth about him, and, MOST importantly, Republicans and conservatives alike going absolutely off the f'n handle when they didn't.

Bush didn't defend himself and neither did McCain. We stood by pretty much idily while the excoriate Sarah Palin and Christine O'Donnel, to name a few.

The fact that we DON'T have a vocal sense of outrage anymore is what's doing us in more than anything else, in my humble opinion.

84 posted on 12/09/2012 9:31:16 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Hear here!


85 posted on 12/09/2012 9:52:43 AM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie; rodguy911

Well the point is that whatever the Heritage Foundation internal memos may have said 20-30 years ago about single payer and individual mandate are now being used by the bad guys to discredit HF and call the whole organization hypocrites or flip-floppers.

HF does not abide by those repugnant views now and they are certainly one of the few organizations we can tie our line to - at this time - until they start to drift from their morings.


86 posted on 12/09/2012 10:03:01 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: ROCKLOBSTER
I suggest the “Fed Up Grand Old Party elements.”

or “FUGOP-e!!!”

87 posted on 12/09/2012 10:03:45 AM PST by Happy Rain (If General Washington had had access to H-bombs, the 2nd Amendment would still mean the the same.)
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To: shalom aleichem

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFICATIONS.


88 posted on 12/09/2012 10:42:47 AM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: Alas Babylon!; bray

Great essay, bray. My only quibble is that the word, “scientists” should be “pseudo-scientists.”


89 posted on 12/09/2012 10:45:49 AM PST by CDB (Time for the "New Media" to write: "All the 'President's' Men: the Sequel--Benghazi-Gate)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

Yeah I know. That’s what is so scary. At the same time I’m not a 100 per center either.If that’s all that there is on them its not the end of the world. Especially when you read the context of it all.


90 posted on 12/09/2012 10:56:29 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I gotta tell ya.Five years ago I thought Bennett was a died in the wool RINO. Today I think he is morphing, changing. He sees all the destruction that rinoism and the liberals have caused and I don’t see him nearly as liberal as before.
Is he as conservative as Hannity, Rush or Levin?Probably not. But, IMHO far different than five years ago.Once again not a hundred per center.


91 posted on 12/09/2012 11:02:10 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: shalom aleichem

After reading the entire story I tend to agree with you.Besides that few organizations are 100% of anyone’s viewpoint. IT’s hard to find anything bad about Heritage in conservative circles.


92 posted on 12/09/2012 11:09:45 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

I think Wm Bennett changed when media had a field day over his gamling tab in Vegas.

What happens there, stays there, unless you’re a Republican.


93 posted on 12/09/2012 11:11:20 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: rodguy911

The main thing is media, and even some friendlies, try to destroy any good thing conservatives can cling to and gather around (e.g. Tea Party = (all of a sudden and inexplicably) Racist??)

They decapitate our leaders (W) and anyone aspiring to be such (Cain, Rubio, Palin, Bachmann, Rush.

They leave the weak pretenders alone (McCain, Mitt, Dole) knowing full well they will not reach the finish line.

We must believe in some people, even if they have some warts and scars. But be wary of the charlatons (I better not cite any examples here).


94 posted on 12/09/2012 11:20:38 AM PST by shalom aleichem
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To: animal172

Yep, it was apparent within hours after it became public that I had hit a home run. Everybody played their a parts exactly as I said they would. The most brilliant part was getting out of the way so my words were all they had to work with which they couldn’t smokescreen.

Pray for America


95 posted on 12/09/2012 12:03:39 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: Alas Babylon!; bray

Excellent rant and I agree with you.

“The mediots are who determine which theories are valid and which need to be rejected and they of course are members of the cult. The media has decided to promote every tenet of their religion from evolution, feminism, veganism, racism, homosexuality, choice, Global Warming, hate the wealthy, communism and every other lifestyle agenda the establishment considers normal. The only miracle is that after forty years of political and cultic brainwashing is the American dream still lives in half of this country’s citizens. After being mocked and vilified for all of these years Conservatives still have the ability to make these elections competitive considering the overwhelming forces standing against them. There are still people willing to stand up and proudly proclaim their faith in God as well as their trust in individual responsibility.”

The same views are being promoted in our universities, which are supposedly repositories of knowledge.


96 posted on 12/09/2012 12:09:00 PM PST by thecodont
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To: shalom aleichem

I remember that you could be right.


97 posted on 12/09/2012 12:50:27 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: shalom aleichem

Exactly, if we don’t learn to fight back and counter the DBM we are in big trouble.


98 posted on 12/09/2012 12:51:58 PM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: rodguy911

I agree with you (therefore let me add, your post is brilliant ..ha).

I learn a LOT from Bennett’s guests and I think he is more and more articulating his conservatism.


99 posted on 12/09/2012 1:35:38 PM PST by Recovering Ex-hippie (Go Galt!)
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To: rodguy911
Every time I think I know something about something I am often proved wrong.

Don't worry about it.

"Only sure way to keep from making mistakes is to do nothing at all", sez the old seer. Nice thing about this joint is that there's a whole mess of smarta$$es around to check your work, but none of us attach blame since we know only too well how often WE screw the pooch.

100 posted on 12/09/2012 2:12:31 PM PST by Unrepentant VN Vet
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