Disowned for Voting Republican: Part II

Vanity | November 8, 2012 | Behind the Blue Wall

[Behind the Blue Wall]

I think those were fantastic responses!

Thanks!

[Behind the Blue Wall]

You’re probably right, but there are others being cc’d who are more “persuadable”, so to speak.

[GraceG]

[ Cliff Notes: If I don’t vote for Obama, it’s because I’m a race traitor, or worse. My response: stop being a racist and look at the facts. ]

How can you be a race traitor? I mean unless you side with these guys and their plans to take over earth or something...

Because there is only one race, and that is the Human race.

Did you know that there is more genetic difference between two cows in the same pasture than there is between a Inuit in Greenland and an aboriginal in Australia?

It's true!

Humans are all really closely related to each other to the point that all humans aren't even the same species, we are all of the same SUB-species!!!! Homo-Sapiens-SAPIENS!

It's true!

Did you know that what we consider "African" or "Black" are actually several genetically distinct groups of people! There are the Bantu, the San or the Khosian, and many others others that were once considered "black" but are very distinct in both culture and genetics!

It's true!

Some fun facts for you to ponder!

[MadMax, the Grinning Reaper]

Congratulations on another well thought out and written explanation of who you are vis-a-vis your father-in-law.

Please tell him that “symbolism” (i.e. pride in the first black president) isn’t going to get people jobs, feed them, house them, or educate them. Successful businesses that need workers are going to do this, and Romney, in Bain Capital and other positions, did just that.

I’m sure the “good Germans” who liked the Swastika symbol later had second thoughts when they ended up in total ruin, starvation, poverty, etc.

I like your position on nominating or choosing a person because of their varied skills and background rather than focusing on one narrow skill or political orientation.

My father-in-law, after a distinguised career in the military (WW2 combat and Cold War intelligence), got a job in which he headed the logistical efforts for the 1976 Bicentennial celebration in Wash. D.C. He was responsible for housing, transportation, port-a-potties, etc., the whole kit and kiboodle. He did a very good job, yet when he wanted to promote a young black employee in his office up to a higher position with future growth because of his skills and work ethic, it was denied.

My father-in-law, a white guy, recognized the talent that this black young man had in his professional work, and wanted, like you, to promote him, yet the black establishment didn’t want to allow anyone to be a possible challenge to their incompetence. My father-in-law retired a little later, after 20 years. He had had enough of incompetence and corruption.

During his military career, his ability to pick the right people to carry out dangerous missions, or to support him (Iwo Jima, etc) while he went into action, helped ensure that he had a good chance for survival. Color wasn’t even a consideration, but in DC, “color” ruled and this city is still suffering from it (blame most of it on Mayor/Crackhead/convict Council Marion Barry and his supporters (who sound like your father-in-law).

Don’t compromise your beliefs and principles. We need more people who think like you, disregarding color, political affiliations, etc. to pick the best person for the job, to help those who need it despite the establishment’s invested interest in protecting the status quo, and to stand up to those who would politically abuse you for taking a principled stand.

Welcome to FreeRepublic. We have a ball here discussing issues, with a helluva lot of humor you won’t find on the Left, and often we provide ideas and solutions to issues talked about.

Welcome to the “Wonderful World of Free Thinkers”. There is always room at the inn.

[Nuc 1.1]

Very well said. I sincerely wish I reason and write a tenth as well as you. Well done. The only beef, the progressive income tax is a great evil. It is the foundation st one for most of the present government excesses. It is a marxist construct that needs to be expunged from our nation.

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Well if you’d read the whole thing instead of my “Cliff Notes” (not that I blame you!), then you’d have read that I wrote this:

“I don’t believe that there is in reality such a thing as separate “races” such that I could take pride in being a member of one versus another: we are all members of the human race, varying infinitely in color, phenotype, hair texture, culture, etc. “

[Behind the Blue Wall]

the progressive income tax is a great evil.

I'd certainly be in favor of getting rid of it entirely, but if there's an income tax, I think making it entirely flat from the richest to the poorest would be a pretty hard sell.

[Nifster]

I think you did an admirable job explaining to some one who is clearly confused. Your father-in-law ignores facts he doesn’t like. He paints with a broad brush to fundamentally condemn white people in general and particularly harshly to those who do not agree with his world view.

It is too bad that he exhibits that 60s attitude that says if you are a person of color you HAVE to be liberal or else you are just a slave. To bad his plantation is run by the likes of Harry Reid and unions thugs like Trumpka.

My guess is that this will not have a happy ending but I wish you good luck in your efforts. Perhaps he will eventually see the light

[ansel12]

but the topic I'm most interested in is whether there are arguments in there that could contribute to finding common ground between blacks and conservatives.

I know the voting data and the supposed link of blacks and social conservatism and how it fails for republicans, but I think some information is missing.

I still think that social conservatism is the way to reach blacks.

Black voters are different than other voters in ways that we don't need to try and figure out, because right now, we are focused on simply winning 30 to 40% of black voters, we need that just to know that life makes sense.

I won't won't worry if the democrats consistently win 55 or 60% of the black vote, that is just normal voting, but I am deeply disturbed to see 94 and 96% numbers, that forces me to question what racial elements are driving them, it shakes my faith in individualism and my confidence in what kind of person I am talking to when I am talking to people who are black, whether they are serving me lunch, or testing my eyesight, or writing tickets.

As a Texan, or a Southerner who has had relationships with blacks, unlike some of what we see from people in many regions of the US, I know what it is like to have a black rancher, or bible thumping conservative black, dress you down for being flaky or having too long of hair, or seeming like an unfocused teen, I also know the arguments I had with my black friends and in black bars.

I think the party leader republicans need to start hanging out with people, blacks, Hispanics, blue collar whites. Republicans need to be actually conservative, real life conservatives.

If someone isn't a racist, then they can argue their point of view, especially on social issues, and the issues of the day with anyone, and everyone.

When I talk to wealthy blacks, well, I'm at a disadvantage, I try to talk taxes and how the fundamentals of economic conservatism sustain the machine of economic growth and equality, and education is a good one also if I have the time, then we end up agreeing on education, but when I talk to guys like me, I'm in my element.

During my life, in whatever state I was living in, when I can sit down in a bar and talk to black guys like me, then they often agree that the democrat party is for sissies and weirdos, not real guys, and it is the social issues that we all agree on.

If you want to win votes from people who no longer even see you, then get into some arguments, go mano e mano with them, tussle, fight, take on their current figure heads and leaders in one on one challenges, see blacks as equals, not 'them', engage the guy, get the juices flowing, remind him of who he is in his heart, I know that the average black welder is not thinking that we need more 'gay' stuff in America.

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Thanks. It’s pretty hard to believe someone with a straight fact could admit that they are supporting Obama because of race, and then turn right around and condemn others for supposedly opposing him based on race, when they are doing no such thing.

I’ve lurked at FR for a couple of years, so I’m pretty well aware of the gem that this place is.

[Norm Lenhart]

Works fine for me. But there may be a problem going the other way.

I too have some Indian...Mohawk on my mother’s side. French Canadian too. On my Father’s side there’s a lot of Euro. Depending on which branch of history you follow, “Lenhart” is an alternate spelling of “Lionhart” as in “Richard The..”. So My blood is a bit blue.

If you go the other way, it’s an alternate spelling of “Leinhardt”, which puts me historically somewhere around Berlin.

So I am eternally undecided if I should look down my nose at people, Rule them, scalp them or simply invade and conquer.

I tell ya windy. It’s not easy being me.

;)

[Behind the Blue Wall]

If you want to win votes from people who no longer even see you, then get into some arguments, go mano e mano with them, tussle, fight, take on their current figure heads and leaders in one on one challenges, see blacks as equals, not 'them', engage the guy, get the juices flowing, remind him of who he is in his heart, I know that the average black welder is not thinking that we need more 'gay' stuff in America.

So very true. My original email was in fact more focused on social issues. My FIL just ignored that completely and I do know why: he is in his heart absolutely a social conservative. Probably if you went down the line, he'd be more socially conservative than 75% of people out there. So he just brushed by all of that completely. But I completely agree that if there were more Republicans/conservatives who were out there "mixing it up" and challenging black people about the actual beliefs and policies that they are lining up behind, we'd see a lot more movement. The GOP-e just cedes the field to the Democrats however, and nobody really challenges the notion that Republicans don't care about or worse don't like blacks.

[Steve Newton]

You know

Some years ago I had thought that the race thing was over. That we had moved beyond that.

I have now determined that race is a problem—too Black people.

In my opinion O has divided this country like no one else ever. It’s a shame.

Every America bleeds red white and blue.

But there are those that still want to claim race for whatever reason.

But now I believe it is not our problem. It is the problem of those that are Black.

We adjusted and grew. Now is the time for all of us to adjust and grow.

[GraceG]

Well if you’d read the whole thing instead of my “Cliff Notes” (not that I blame you!), then you’d have read that I wrote this:

“I don’t believe that there is in reality such a thing as separate “races” such that I could take pride in being a member of one versus another: we are all members of the human race, varying infinitely in color, phenotype, hair texture, culture, etc. “

Yeah I read that which I why I put in the quip about the only way to actually BE a race traitor would be to side with aliens or something!

[ansel12]

As a guy who is pretty much fed up with pansy republicans, I’m starting to think that they don’t even know any blacks, I’m starting to see that Reagan is dead, and that perhaps Romney really is “the republicans”.

Which state are you, or your FIL in?

Here is an old post of mine on republicans.

“”I went to a Young Republican meeting once, taken by a guy that I had helped become a minor player locally, (he could speak in public, and I used to know a lot about politics and talking points and current events and such), this was during an important, earth-shaking period, where we were all in the trenches (1995/1996? or so?), anyway, every guy there of the 30 or so (intimate conference table), were white and male, the only non-white was columnist Joseph Perkins who was to speak to us.

I was stunned, amazed. I asked the guys where their wives and girlfriends were, and they said it was a male group only, it was insane at that time of both republican ascendancy, yet of losing ground demographically,

I asked them if they had black and Hispanic buddies at work, if so, then where the hell are they? (I used to be passionate about government and politics) and they mumbled and seemed a little confused, they were shallow, protected, idiots.

Me and Perkins ended up afterwards basically shaking our heads at how maddeningly bloodless and rigid (clueless) the men there were, although they were all relativity young.

I’ve never been a republican, and I can tell you that some of the cliches apply to them, many of them live in little worlds of limited contact with the wider America, and Romney was the ultimate version of that, he was almost straight from that Jason Robards underworld of “A Boy and His Dog”.””

[Norm Lenhart]

I think if someone flipped a switch and whites stopped cowering every time someone screams ‘racist’ we’d be half way to a positive outcome.

The joking exchange above between Windy and I would get me banned and him thrown under the bus of the majority of sites and social situations we live in today.

“Why” that would happen is obvious. Someone would take the dreaded ‘offense’ and the racist charges would fly.

Some know I have a black son in law. And if you look at me on paper, I’m the posterboy for Redneck America. Mountain born, tobacco chewing, truck owning/off-roading hick. With a blond/blue eyed daughter.

I’m the guy that should be donning a white sheet and lynching my son in law. According to the vision of us crafted by the left.

But for some strange reason, I don’t seem to agree with them. And our conversations are rather straight up with no PC/BS.

Come to find out, he despises the Sharpton types worse than I do. Which is pretty incredible as my loathing is boundless.

My point? White America can either deprogram themselves from leftist created fear (of talking to those ‘dangerous’ black people) or not. But if they do, they just might discover that the box the left put us each in is as nakedly transparent as Emperor Obama himself.

Same people. Different views perhaps, but not so ‘very’ different views when you get to the core of it all.

And skin tone has not a tinkers damn to do with any of it.

/rant

[CardCarryingMember.VastRightWC]

[Margaret Thatcher quote]: People on all levels of income are better off than they were in 1979. The hon. Gentleman is saying that he would rather that the poor were poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That way one will never create the wealth for better social services, as we have. What a policy. Yes, he would rather have the poor poorer, provided that the rich were less rich. That is the Liberal policy.

I have long said that the pivotal difference between liberals versus conservatives+libertarians on the issue of wealth is illustrated by this hypothetical example:
If next year, every citizen in the nation was to somehow become 5% richer than they are this year, the reactions would be:

• Conservatives & Libertarians would consider this wonderful news, and rejoice that EVERY SINGLE person is wealthier!
• But the Liberals would consider this an unmitigated disaster, because when they look at the exact same figures the others are looking at, all that they are able to see is that the gap in wealth between the very poorest and the very richest has just increased by 5%. Horrors!! How patently unfair.

I keep hoping that if they eventually come to see the truth in this example, they might have one of those "glass half full vs glass half empty" epiphany moments. But I've not had a lot of luck.

BTW, those of us who've spent 1000's of hours over the years debating liberal relatives/colleagues/eOpponents/etc, have not been able to escape hearing the exact same worn-out worthless cliched Lib talking points, and the exact same cutesy sarcastic "slams" against us, spouted over and over and over again. So it's handy, and even fun, to come up with some good rejoinders against these cliches, and be ready to go with them.

I'd appreciate hearing some good lines that you all have found to be useful retorts. I'll start off by posting a few I use:

LIB: Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
ME: Ghandi was wrong. It is "No Consequences For Eye-Gougers" that makes the world blind.

LIB: Strength Through Peace!
ME: You have it backwards! "Peace Through Strength!"

LIB: Jesus said, "Let they who are without sin cast the first stone" [to justify someone's sin]
ME: But do you know what the very next verse says? [blank expression on their face] He said to the adulteress, "Go, and sin no more!"

LIB: The definition of a [pick one: Puritan, Conservative, Religious Righter, etc] is someone who lays awake at night worrying that somewhere, somebody is having fun.
ME: Really? Well, did you know that a [pick one: Libertine, Liberal, Democrat, etc] is someone who lays awake at night worrying that somewhere, somehow, someone is living a life that is woefully under-regulated by the Federal Government.

One more: This retort isn't in the category of "Lib vs Con," and isn't one I made up, but I can't resist including it. (No, I've never had the guts / chutzpah to use this!):
FOUL-MOUTHED PERP: "F*CK YOU!!"
RETORT: "Oh, I wouldn't do that if I were you. You'd never be satisfied with your dog again".

Well anyway, I'd like to see others' useful retorts!

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Good ones!

[Behind the Blue Wall]

Sad but true.

[octex]

Great read! Thank you for the vanity posting. Your responses to the various statements of your FIL were great!