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Terry Waite Shakes Hands with Hizbollah 25 Years After Kidnap
The Telegraph ^ | 08 Dec 2012 | Robert Mendick

Posted on 12/08/2012 1:42:26 PM PST by nickcarraway

Terry Waite has met the leadership of Hizbollah, the militant group accused of kidnapping and holding him for five years, in an extraordinary gesture of “reconciliation”.

The former hostage spoke for two hours to one of its most senior figures at their stronghold in Beirut, his first encounter with the organisation held responsible for masterminding his kidnapping 25 years ago.

Accompanied by The Sunday Telegraph, he travelled to Lebanon to highlight the plight of Christians who have fled the Syrian civil war.

Mr Waite offered the reconciliation to Hizbollah to help with the Christians’ plight at a secretly arranged, late night rendezvous and told Aamar Moussawi, the senior figure he met: “The past is the past.”

Mr Waite, 73, admitted people would think him “crazy” for pressing for the meeting and that he would now be opened up to accusations of “consorting with terrorists”. But he said it was now time to consign his suffering to the past and to forgive Hizbollah, the Iranian-backed “Party of God”, whose military wing is outlawed in the UK. Hizbollah, in return, described Mr Waite as a “great man”.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appeaser; blithering; blitheringidiot; hizbollah; idiot; iran; muslimterrorist; nutjob; stockholm; stockholmsyndrome; syndrome; terrorist; terrorists; terrywaite; waite

1 posted on 12/08/2012 1:42:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Mr Waite, 73, admitted people would think him “crazy

Well, he got that right.

2 posted on 12/08/2012 1:46:10 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: nickcarraway

The word “idiot” comes to mind.


3 posted on 12/08/2012 1:48:26 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012

Blithering idiot is more specific!


4 posted on 12/08/2012 1:50:44 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment,a Matter of Fact,Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Cementjungle

Looks like that terrorist is smiling from ear to ear.
Waite is an idiot.


5 posted on 12/08/2012 1:52:58 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: nickcarraway
Mr Waite, 73, admitted people would think him “crazy” for pressing for the meeting and that he would now be opened up to accusations of “consorting with terrorists”. But he said it was now time to consign his suffering to the past and to forgive Hizbollah, the Iranian-backed “Party of God”, whose military wing is outlawed in the UK. Hizbollah, in return, described Mr Waite as a “great man”.

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"Crazy", "suicidal", "too stupid to live", "Darwin Award candidate", there are many things we might think of him, and "crazy" is only one of them.

6 posted on 12/08/2012 1:53:24 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: nickcarraway
Mr Waite, 73, admitted people would think him “crazy” for pressing for the meeting and that he would now be opened up to accusations of “consorting with terrorists”.

Yes and yes.

It is not a Christian virtue to forgive evil done against you if the evildoer is continuing to commit evil acts, and your forgiveness enables him to continue doing so. Blanket, unconditional forgiveness is Idiot Christianity, which is to say, not Christian. People always forget the "and sin no more" part.

7 posted on 12/08/2012 1:54:02 PM PST by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Yep.


8 posted on 12/08/2012 1:54:14 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: nickcarraway

I guess Stockholm Syndrome can lay dormant for years.


9 posted on 12/08/2012 1:54:40 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: nickcarraway

Too bad that Ambassador Stevens won’t be able to shake hands with his muzzie kidnappers in 25 years.

Or any of the tens of thousands of people that Hezbollah and the other muslim militant organizations have kidnapped or murdered over the last several decades.


10 posted on 12/08/2012 1:57:01 PM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: nickcarraway
Well, since he knows better than anyone that he cannot possibly change Hizbollah's
way of seeing things or doing things and, therefore, cannot possibly help the people
they're persecuting, I must pronounce him a... MEDIA WHORE!
11 posted on 12/08/2012 1:59:41 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: nickcarraway

“Mr Waite offered the reconciliation to Hizbollah to help with the Christians’ plight at a secretly arranged, late night rendezvous and told Aamar Moussawi, the senior figure he met: “The past is the past.””

No, sir, the past is prelude. We can expect more criminal behavior from them if we refuse to treat them like the barbaric animals they are.


12 posted on 12/08/2012 2:06:31 PM PST by Twotone (Marte Et Clypeo)
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To: nickcarraway

How...loathsome.


13 posted on 12/08/2012 2:07:57 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: miss marmelstein

Just why hasn’t this waite idiot’s family had him committed?????????


14 posted on 12/08/2012 2:14:32 PM PST by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: nickcarraway

Stockholm Syndrome.

These animals are laughing at him.


15 posted on 12/08/2012 2:21:40 PM PST by Venturer
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To: denydenydeny
It is not a Christian virtue to forgive evil done against you if the evildoer is continuing to commit evil acts, and your forgiveness enables him to continue doing so. Blanket, unconditional forgiveness is Idiot Christianity, which is to say, not Christian. People always forget the "and sin no more" part.

This is so patently what God and Jesus did not do that I just have to point it out, lest everyone reading this thread have a wrong impression about God and forgiveness.

If you can't forgive even your enemies and the ones who are actively hurting you, you aren't following the teaching of Jesus who died praying to forgive his enemies.

See references to scriptures: Lk 23:34; Matt 5:44; Proverbs 25:21; Acts 7:60; Rom 12:14; ect.

If God put those conditions none of us would be saved. In principle I'd have to say Terry did a Christian thing, and therefore the right thing. He ended his own suffering by seeking to forgive his enemies thus choosing to give up his own pain before he died.

16 posted on 12/08/2012 2:25:03 PM PST by Bayard
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To: nickcarraway

Stockholm syndrome......sad....unless he had a ring


17 posted on 12/08/2012 2:28:23 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: All

Get your heads straight on what Jesus actually taught about forgiveness. You’re embarrassing yourselves, I’m nearly at the point of calling you to turn in your Christian card if you don’t have this most basic idea down.

See my #16

Who among us is saved if God does not forgive even his enemies. Who does Jesus ask us to imitate?


18 posted on 12/08/2012 2:32:15 PM PST by Bayard
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To: nickcarraway
The Spirit of Neville Chamberlain Lives!!
19 posted on 12/08/2012 2:33:08 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: nickcarraway
Scripture speaks often of believers who readily fall for false doctrines, or are otherwise easily led astray.

The 20th century has any examples of Christians embracing false causes/ideologies. This guy Waite is but one.

20 posted on 12/08/2012 3:11:51 PM PST by fso301
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To: nickcarraway
I have a personal connection to the hostage situation at the same time as his. The hand he is shaking is of the same hand that beat the hostages, that were paid for there keeping them a live, and are dumber then sticks, doing just what they were paid to do. They were servants of a higher calling. an evil calling...
21 posted on 12/08/2012 3:23:18 PM PST by Quick Shot
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To: nickcarraway




22 posted on 12/08/2012 4:08:09 PM PST by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks like Right-Wing extremism.)
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To: nickcarraway

man...these Anglicans in the UKwould a chased the rail cars yelling wait for me

please

what fools


23 posted on 12/08/2012 4:15:36 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Bayard

Turn in my Christian card?

you’re an idiot


24 posted on 12/08/2012 4:17:00 PM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: wardaddy

That was a figure of speech.

Learn your faith and apply it.

That is the best advice I can give to you, but if you want to engage in insults I’m not going to go there.


25 posted on 12/08/2012 4:45:38 PM PST by Bayard
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To: fso301

Scripture also speaks of loving thine enemy. Mt 5:44
Forgiving those who persecute you. Mt 6:14

Guess what this guy actually did. Whose following an example of Christ?

I’m betting on the Anglican at this point.


26 posted on 12/08/2012 4:54:05 PM PST by Bayard
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To: nickcarraway

Let’s not forget WILLIAM FRANCIS BUCKLEY, kidnapped by Hezbollah and later hanged.

Nice group.

As for Waite, he was negotiating to get the release of people kidnapped by Huzbullah and was promised safe conduct. They lied and took him hostage.

It appears he still thinks he is bulletproof.


27 posted on 12/08/2012 4:57:38 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: nickcarraway
forgive Hizbollah

So, is he going to forgive the individuals who did it or just the organization to which they belonged?

28 posted on 12/08/2012 5:08:45 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Bayard; denydenydeny; wardaddy; fso301
Rebuke and Repent! There is the key.

Luke 17:3
Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.

29 posted on 12/08/2012 5:23:52 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: donna

If you forgive only those who repent you have not forgiven.

You are correct in one sense: “Let love be genuine; hate what is evil, hold fast to what is good (Romans (12:9).”

Indeed rebuke and correct error, where appropriate. Doing that is actually an act of love. Especially, do so to those from Hezbollah. But you are wrong to say that it has to be conditional for a Christian to forgive. We should be imitators of God (Ephesians 5:1)

If I recall he forgave even his tormentors on the cross.

Romans 12:14

Mk 11:25

Matt 18:21-22 —Notice Jesus never gives a condition here.


30 posted on 12/08/2012 5:57:32 PM PST by Bayard
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To: Bayard

Different Individuals

The repentant offender and the offended — Luke 17:3-4

God and the offended believer — Mark 11:25

Two humans are necessary to obey Luke 17:3-4—one who repents, and the other who grants forgiveness. Only one human (the offended believer) is necessary to obey Mark 11:25. Obviously, the two passages are teaching two different kinds of forgiveness.


31 posted on 12/08/2012 6:37:39 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Cementjungle

Waite is reported as having told Hezbollah “that the Arab Spring had been hijacked by Islamic jihadists who were now causing chaos in Syria as well as in Egypt and Libya.”

I don’t care for either side in these never ending disputes (except Israel), and I don’t want the US involved militarily if it can be avoided. However, IMO Waite is correct on that point.


32 posted on 12/08/2012 7:36:31 PM PST by BIV (typical white person)
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To: Bayard
Guess what this guy actually did. Whose following an example of Christ? I’m betting on the Anglican at this point.

After thinking about it some more, you could be right.

33 posted on 12/08/2012 8:07:22 PM PST by fso301
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To: Twotone
No, sir, the past is prelude. We can expect more criminal behavior from them if we refuse to treat them like the barbaric animals they are.

You can not negotiate with the dragon, placate the Cobra or deflect the knife in the back.

One must know his enemies and be willing to kill him and all that stand with him. If you can not do this, lay down you sword and surrender for he has already defeated you.

34 posted on 12/08/2012 10:10:47 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Cementjungle

Sometimes when you turn the other cheek, your opponent hits you with a baseball bat. Sounds like Waite will never learn and more innocent people will die because he “forgave” his captors.

I have more respect for an enemy who says that they are going to kill me than for a man who gives them cover to do it.

Meanwhile, I’ll try to kill the bastards. The only “other cheek” I’m going to turn is the ones on my ass when I moon their bodies.

Waite deserves to be ignored, period.


35 posted on 12/08/2012 11:15:42 PM PST by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Bayard

You’re passive aggressive
You insult folks yourself then retreat and call foul when folks respond firmly

And you are not a woman i don’t think.....surprising


36 posted on 12/09/2012 12:47:45 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: Bayard

If you recall, He was crucified with two men on crosses at his side. But only one of them was told he would be in Heaven with Him. And He did not save either of them from crucifiction as was entirely within his power to do.


37 posted on 12/09/2012 1:19:38 AM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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To: Cementjungle

C’mon with the remarks - he went through a lot and isn’t capitalizing via current household name-recognition. He had to find some lunatic way to get his name back in the news...(no /s needed)


38 posted on 12/09/2012 3:58:55 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Seems like being a Church of England envoy is the perfect job for that guy.

Thanks nickcarraway.


39 posted on 12/09/2012 8:26:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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