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Is Western Intervention In Syria Imminent?
Reason.com ^ | 12/6/2012 | Ed Krayewski

Posted on 12/06/2012 3:11:01 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

The NATO Alliance announced earlier this week that Patriot missles will be deployed in Turkey...

The USS Eisenhowser was reported to arrived in the area yesterday off the Syrian coast in the Mediterranean. It holds 8,000 soldiers and eight fighter bomber squandrons.

The U.S. Senate... has voted for the Pentagon to present military options available on Syria...

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(Excerpt) Read more at reason.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: assad; cvn69; eisenhowser; israel; lebanon; obama; syria; syriawar; turkey; usseisenhowser; waronterror; wot
Lots more info there at the link. A good read. A must read.
1 posted on 12/06/2012 3:11:05 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; All

Go to Google News and Google “French troops Syria” or “British troops Syria”


2 posted on 12/06/2012 3:12:02 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Obama owns Harry Reid, who owns the Senate, so if Obama wants to help the Muslim rebels that is what will happen. He has already been caught running guns to them, got some people killed over it.

Obama is a strategic part of the Muslim Brotherhood.


3 posted on 12/06/2012 3:20:46 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Every good Hitler needs a SA. The Muslim Caliphate is the violent fall guy for the New World Order pukes. When they are done terrorizing the people into submission, they will be vaporized in nuclear fires so the NWO pukes can be the hero.

Then they will give their power over to a super leader...


4 posted on 12/06/2012 3:28:44 PM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Installing the mofobros everywhere.


5 posted on 12/06/2012 3:51:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Venturer

“Obama is a strategic part of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
That’s right. The MB gave up OBL in exchange for control of the ME. They’re having trouble with Syria so BHO is going to use our military to open the way. It will be interesting to see what deal he made with Putin to allow this.


6 posted on 12/06/2012 3:57:37 PM PST by MCF
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

“French troops Syria” or “British troops Syria”
The Brits and French are going just to make it look NATO and for practice. We’ll do the heavy lifting.


7 posted on 12/06/2012 4:01:52 PM PST by MCF
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

What Putin needs to do is expose Obama’s perfidy in a reverse of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The Russian Ambassador to the UN takes recon photos of ex-Libya arms being unloaded in Turkey. They display photos of CIA personnel teaching New Syrian Army troops how to load, prepare, and fire chemical-tipped weapons in Turkey for deployment in Syria against Syrians. THAT could slam the brakes on World War III that Barry and Hillary are orchestrating.


8 posted on 12/06/2012 4:01:59 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

If they send the 75,000 military in there to secure the chemical weapons, most of those will return with nerve disorders.


9 posted on 12/06/2012 4:15:50 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: MCF
It will be interesting to see what deal he made with Putin to allow this.

Speculated earlier in the year that Obama would let Putin complete his invasion of Georgia, but that seems like a weak deal now. Putin will want much more. Iran is more or less solid right now. The US has pulled many of its assets out of the Persian Gulf to positions off the Syrian coast. So if Iran wants Iraq, they could take it fairly easy now. The question is, what will Putin want.

10 posted on 12/06/2012 4:21:40 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Russian and US talks have failed.

Syria fighting rages as diplomats fail

In Dublin, talks among US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, her Russian counterpart Sergei Lavrov and UN peace envoy Lakhdar Brahimi failed to make any major decisions.

Brahimi said all three agreed the situation in Syria was "very, very, very bad".

11 posted on 12/06/2012 4:31:43 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

It is according to if obama’s side is winning or losing.


12 posted on 12/06/2012 4:50:29 PM PST by sport
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Look up RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT. We’re going in, but why? Look up THE INTERNATIONAL CRISIS GROUP. See who is on their board. George Soros. This guy is a genius. He runs several countries while only costing him a few billion dollars. He gets us to do his dirty work by buying a few politicians. Poor Syria. They are the battleground over oil.


13 posted on 12/06/2012 5:18:09 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
Actually, the US and NATO are fighting a proxy war for their masters. The House of Saud. Just read the Saudi editorial below. And then ask yourself, is the US/NATO really running this show ?

The dying serpent’s venom

14 posted on 12/06/2012 5:40:40 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

In a con game, the Grifter will often let the Marks believe that they are in charge. The Grifter plays on people’s arrogance and ignorance and naïveté. The Saudis are cutthroat when it comes to oil, but I wouldn’t bet much on their smarts in international affairs.


15 posted on 12/06/2012 5:49:02 PM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

It is already a fact.The kenyan is running weaponry to the jihadists


16 posted on 12/06/2012 5:59:51 PM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: MCF

Not one of our military people should be sacrificed for the Arab heathens! Not one!!!


17 posted on 12/06/2012 7:03:23 PM PST by abclily
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To: blueunicorn6

In a post nuclear age, a World War has no Grifters and no Marks. There will be no winners.


18 posted on 12/06/2012 7:44:53 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

Actually, given the US control of the Western World after WWII, the winner of WWIII runs the table: they get to create the ‘new reality’, and if they’re ruthless, it could last a very, very long time, think thousand year timeframe.


19 posted on 12/06/2012 8:49:56 PM PST by Hoosier-Daddy ( "It is not our job to protect the people from the consequences of their political choices.")
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Sometimes I think this entire Sarin gas being mixed by Assad is just an excuse to get us involved. After all the story broke from NBC news.


20 posted on 12/06/2012 9:18:01 PM PST by Wiggins
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To: justa-hairyape

‘The question is, what will Putin want.’

I think the simple answer to this is, he’ll want to keep the Russian naval base at Tartus. It’s enormously strategically important, being Russia’s only permanent naval base in the Mediterranean, or indeed anywhere outside the former USSR.

I’d expect some deal whereby the ‘Free Syrian Army’ agreed to allow the base to remain in place (initially, at least) in return for the Russians agreeing to turn a blind eye to whatever Obama eventually decides to do in Syria.


21 posted on 12/06/2012 11:35:09 PM PST by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: Wiggins

I don’t even believe the report about the gas. This was the necessary pretext.


22 posted on 12/06/2012 11:45:15 PM PST by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The dangerous powers of the world unite as we sit on asses smoking pot and collecting our government checks.

Welcome to Obamaland 2012. :)


23 posted on 12/07/2012 12:07:35 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Zajko
I’d expect some deal whereby the ‘Free Syrian Army’ agreed to allow the base to remain in place (initially, at least) in return for the Russians agreeing to turn a blind eye to whatever Obama eventually decides to do in Syria.

Deja Vu all over again. That was the deal that was supposed to brokered last time, but just a day or two later one of the rebel groups stated they would not allow the base. The force driving this entire intervention is the House Saud. And they are not very happy with the Russians supporting the Shiites.

24 posted on 12/07/2012 12:52:34 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

I’m in Saudi Arabia right now. Papers here are full of ‘bloodthirsty tyrant continues to massacre own people as heroic fighters struggle on for freedom’ -type headlines. As compared to the reporting on the situation in Bahrain (Sunni minority elite, Shi’ite population - i.e. reverse of Syria) which is more along the lines of ‘bands of armed terrorists attack law enforcement forces in streets, as government struggles to maintain law and order’.


25 posted on 12/07/2012 2:22:50 AM PST by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Whatever will assist the Muslim Brotherhood and get more of our troops killed, O’Beelzebub is all for it.


26 posted on 12/07/2012 5:51:20 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: Zajko

Wow. Good luck over there. If you see a bright flash of light, hit the ground. Just kidding. Yeah the old Sunni verses Shiite battle is heating up again. You really must feel like you are living in Orwells 1984 over there (we have always been at war with the Shia).


27 posted on 12/07/2012 9:39:17 AM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: justa-hairyape

It’s not the most fun place in the world to be for a while, but it’s certainly interesting on some levels. It’s actually a lot calmer and more stable here now, than when I first visited back in 2004.

I spent a year in Damascus back in 2007-8, as well - completely different environment, of course, but a fascinating city - far preferable to Saudi on a quality-of-life basis from both a personal and cultural standpoint. At that time, of course. Not so much right now.


28 posted on 12/07/2012 10:26:49 AM PST by Zajko (Never wrestle with a pig. You'll both get dirty, but the pig likes it.)
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To: MasterGunner01

Yes only Holy Crusader Putin can save us! Only Putin can prove that the rebels are planning to gas themselves to make Assad look bad! Down with America! Go Putin! Go Russia!


29 posted on 12/07/2012 12:27:31 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Well, it could also be that Assad's boys and the New Syrian Army will gas each other like Iran and Iraq did for eight years during the 1980’s. The danger for everyone around them is if those chemical warfare shells go outside Syria's borders and things could get dicey very fast. Just sayin’.
30 posted on 12/07/2012 5:07:40 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
So far the Mahdi has played the Syria business pretty cleverly. The US wants to get rid of Iran's only ally in the region for a number of reasons chief among them depriving Syria of a naval replenishment base in the Med. Iran has no real navy but has suddenly decided it is going to build a blue water capability. The US knows the Iranians are going to have some sort of nuclear capability in the near term and nuclear capability plus a blue water navy means developing some sort of asymmetric threat system to use on the US and other infidels (EMP or something like it perhaps). So time to torpedo the Syrian-Iranian axis. The Saudis see things the same way. They are happy to collaborate in rallying the merry men who were shooting at us in iraq a few years ago. Arm them anew and send them off to crusdae against he Alawite heretics. When the Assad regime goes down or compresses into a small corner of Syria and the rest of Syria turns into fragmented chaos the Hezbollah may find themselves between a lot of Sunni with blood in their eye and Israel. At the least the Hezbollah will have to cut a lower profile ant the best they will get the Alawite treatment. A Middle East without Assad, without an Iranian ally and without Hezbollah will be a bit safer a quieter for a while. Of course once Iran gets a nuclear capability all of the Arab states and Turkey will have to have nukes as well and we lknow where that is likely to lead to. But the Mahdi will be out of office by them and it will be someone else problem.

However direct western involvement in Syria is about a hundred times dumber than the US adventure in nation building in Iraq. If BHO signs off on that one he is a lot dumber than I have thought he was.

31 posted on 12/08/2012 4:09:30 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

The situation does not require our intervention because Turkey and the GCC are making progress. The prospect of Chemical weapons may require US very special trained forces for containment.

There is a strategic plan but we have not been provided details.


32 posted on 12/08/2012 4:26:58 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert

Direct US participation of any sort should be off the table. It might be interesting to see how competent the Syrians are to use their chemical weapons. Why all the high moral tone about chemical weapons anyway? Gassing is more inhumane than high explosives? Chemical weapons can be persistent nuisances but that is the problem of those on the ground not us.


33 posted on 12/08/2012 4:31:30 PM PST by robowombat
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To: robowombat

In alliances, it is not necessary for all to have the same capabilities.

Turkey and the GCC are American allies and do not posses the chemical weapons expertise of America. If the weapons are captured, it will be prudent for our experts to take control of them and assure safe disposition.


34 posted on 12/08/2012 4:44:16 PM PST by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....The fairest Deduction to be reduced is the Standard Deduction)
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To: bert
Yes, there are plenty of characters on the ground in Syria who gaining possession of chemical weapons such as Sarin could be a nightmare. Considering how many chemical weapons the Syrians have it is going to be difficult to keep at least some from getting in the wrong hands.
35 posted on 12/08/2012 8:08:18 PM PST by robowombat
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