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U.S. Republicans say, "No way" to ceding debt limit power
Reuters ^

Posted on 12/05/2012 5:18:50 PM PST by Sub-Driver

U.S. Republicans say, "No way" to ceding debt limit power Photo 7:36pm EST

By Rachelle Younglai

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Republican lawmakers took a firm stand on Wednesday against an Obama administration proposal that would make it easier for the president to increase the nation's debt limit, worried it would undercut their leverage to cut government spending.

Republicans introduced a non-binding resolution in the House of Representatives that, if approved, would put the chamber on record opposing the plan, and a Senate Republican began circulating a letter to President Barack Obama saying it was critical that Congress' role in setting the limit not change.

As part of its opening bid to Republicans in talks to avoid the "fiscal cliff" of $600 billion in tax hikes and spending cuts set to hit the economy at the start of 2013, the administration proposed allowing the president to initiate hikes in the debt limit, which now stands at $16.4 trillion.

If Congress denied the request, he could then veto the decision. It would take a super-majority in both the House and Senate to override the veto, meaning the increase would almost certainly move ahead.

The White House wants any fiscal cliff deal to include a borrowing cap hike to avoid a repeat of last year's bruising debt limit fight, which unnerved markets and led to the loss of the nation's top-tier credit rating.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
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Go read the constitution...........
1 posted on 12/05/2012 5:18:58 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
...worried it would undercut their leverage to cut government spending

Yeah, that leverage has worked REAL well so far. Why, if their "leverage" were undercut, who knows what spending might be. It might even zoom out of control.

2 posted on 12/05/2012 5:31:58 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Sub-Driver

Obama says on debt ceiling: he won’t play that game.


3 posted on 12/05/2012 5:48:25 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Don't mean to bother... but you have some sarcasm that dripped onto your shirt. ;)

I hear you. If we're relying on Republican 'self control', we're on our own.

/johnny

4 posted on 12/05/2012 5:52:13 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sub-Driver

The GOP will cave. They don’t want the fiscal cliff to be blamed on them. Elections have consequences.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 5:53:59 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum

“”The GOP will cave. They don’t want the fiscal cliff to be blamed on them. Elections have consequences.””

They can have members talk to the press incessantly every time an accusation of “it’s the GOP’s fault” is uttered from the WH. Have congressmen/women available at all times to refute the WH... Fight fire with fire!! Let the American people know the WH is lying. Strong language is called for.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 6:02:52 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

And do you think the press will cover that? Will they even cover the GOPs response?


7 posted on 12/05/2012 6:08:32 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Best solution — do nothing


8 posted on 12/05/2012 6:18:41 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: redgolum

“”And do you think the press will cover that? Will they even cover the GOPs response?””

If they pick the right people, yes! Greta is the only one left who has any fire left in her!!! I don’t know if she’s available to pick up interviews the minute they need to be covered but it’s worth a shot. She does show up in the Capitol for interviews so she’s around..

You’re going to ask - how many people watch Greta? There’s that!!! Those who aren’t interested in hearing the truth certainly don’t tune her in...

The congressmen/women have to call ALL members of the media and let it be known who did and didn’t show up for the TRUTH!!


9 posted on 12/05/2012 6:31:07 PM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush
Hannity just showed interview with people on the street, about 10. They did not know what the "Fiscal Cliff" was.

Some thought it was about 10Ft deep, didn't know where it was, and other such nonsense.

Now they are really going to be stumped when axked about the "Debt Ceiling".

10 posted on 12/05/2012 6:37:45 PM PST by annieokie
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To: Sub-Driver

Once upon a time, it would’ve been political suicide to even think about asking for such dictatorial powers. Amazing how things have changed.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 7:20:41 PM PST by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: redgolum

“The GOP will cave...”

No they won’t. The dems have all the power, EXCEPT FOR THE DEBT CEILING.

Refusing to cave on the fiscal cliff means massive tax increases for everyone which is against all that republicans believe.

Refusing to cave on the debt ceiling means massive spending cuts for everything which is against all that democrats believe.

Fiscal cliff = advantage democrats
Debt ceiling = advantage republicans.

The presidency is a powerful office in the US. When the democrats held congress and the repubs the presidency, The debt ceiling has traditionally been used to attach all kinds of stuff to it providing a congressional check on presidential power. The repubs must hold on to it to do the same.

This is also why Obama is adamant about the repubs giving it up. It is why the repubs ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT GIVE THIS UP.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 7:34:50 PM PST by staytrue
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To: Sub-Driver

Wouldn’t this be unconstitutional to start with?


13 posted on 12/05/2012 7:42:23 PM PST by Randy Larsen (Aim small, Miss small.)
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To: Sub-Driver

RINO File.


14 posted on 12/05/2012 8:02:37 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Thank You Rush
Have congressmen/women available at all times to refute the WH... Fight fire with fire!! Let the American people know the WH is lying. Strong language is called for.
My goodness you are demanding a lot of the GOP - if they could muster up this courage, they might even be able to take the WH one of these decades.
15 posted on 12/05/2012 8:55:11 PM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: JRandomFreeper

I’m pleased you could detect it without the “/s” tag!

Not too subtle?


16 posted on 12/05/2012 9:25:12 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Not too subtle?

Oh... I wouldn't worry about that. ;)

You nailed it.

/johnny

17 posted on 12/05/2012 9:33:06 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Sub-Driver

Why are they even acknowledging it. They should ignore the demand or laugh it off. It is not worth passing resolutions


18 posted on 12/05/2012 9:35:53 PM PST by plain talk
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To: Sub-Driver

So he’ll take it anyway.

Who’s going to stop him?


19 posted on 12/05/2012 10:13:18 PM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: staytrue
Refusing to cave on the fiscal cliff means massive tax increases for everyone which is against all that republicans believe.

Prepare yourself for a rude awakening.

Republicans (the people) are not in control the GOPe is, and their agenda is not the same as yours.

I think we will all soon be made aware of the scam that has been pulled on the people.

The Speaker did not come out and say that the President has no power to raise the debt but that power lies with the House and the House alone. He should have but he didn't that means something.

20 posted on 12/06/2012 12:01:35 AM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: Sub-Driver

“last year’s bruising debt limit fight, which unnerved markets and led to the loss of the nation’s top-tier credit rating.”

Yeah, that was the cause. Liars.


21 posted on 12/06/2012 4:07:06 AM PST by Darth Reardon
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To: Sub-Driver

When Bronc0 bammie says “we must have a balanced approach” the responsse should be: “we agree, and want to balance spending and taxes, as a start”


22 posted on 12/06/2012 4:30:08 AM PST by John Galt's cousin (WTF? We couldn't rescue four men in Benghazi? Is our military IMPOTENT? ( /s ))
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To: Sub-Driver

In the end... we know what will happen... the GOP will cave.

But Americans will still blame them anyway when the economy tanks further.


23 posted on 12/06/2012 6:17:21 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: staytrue
It is why the repubs ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT GIVE THIS UP.

This may be a throwaway "concession" for Obama, so he loses nothing.

24 posted on 12/06/2012 6:19:54 AM PST by ScottinVA (I've never been more disgusted with American voters.)
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To: Sub-Driver

I’ll bet the Republicans and Boehner will posture for the cameras and then do nothing if Obama just seizes this power for himself.


25 posted on 12/06/2012 11:45:34 AM PST by MeganC (Our forefathers would be shooting by now.)
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To: Sub-Driver

To anyone suggesting this is a valid concern, the understanding of our nation’s laws and legal framework is obviously lost to you. Go back and read the Constitution of the United States of America.

ALL laws regarding the financing of the government MUST originate in the House of Representatives. That’s one of the reasons why Obamacare is so treasonous: it originated as a Senate bill. That’s not how things work. If Obama is given the ability to do anything unilaterally, then every Representative who votes to give him that power is summarily in dereliction of their duty to the oath they took upon taking office and should be executed or imprisoned for doing so.

All that being said, we live in a banana republic, and if it does happen, it’ll be cloak and dagger type shit that will pass by a narrow margin and we truly will live under a dictatorship.

Obama’s already violated the War Powers act by his assignment of troops in Libya and elsewhere. Going over the head of Congress would not only be impeachable but should immediately cause a streak of brown to form in the pants of every lawyer in this nation, as their ability to do anything will have been ceded to the minds of magistrates and judges appointed by “The Won.”

I’m ready for CWII, folks. I hope you are prepared, physically and spiritually, for what’s coming.


26 posted on 12/06/2012 2:34:19 PM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Red Steel

Obama always plays with a different set of referees and a different set of rules.


27 posted on 12/07/2012 9:27:48 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Sub-Driver

We can be sure that Boehner will follow Obama on every point; after all he can say OH voted for Obama. There may be no formal ceding of the debt limit, but informally, it’s a done deal under Boehner.


28 posted on 12/07/2012 3:29:05 PM PST by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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