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After Fatal NYC Subway Shove, Asking: Were There No Heroes {Naem, Umar Abbasi}
New York Times ^ | 4.Dec.2012 | Michael Wilson and Daniel Krieger

Posted on 12/05/2012 7:49:33 AM PST by Cronos

The question of the day in New York City on Tuesday — what would you do? — rode on a wave of outrage over a harrowing act the day before. A clearly agitated man pushed a 58-year-old stranger onto the track of an oncoming subway train in Midtown Manhattan.

The man, Ki-Suck Han of Elmhurst, Queens, was struck and killed.

... One law enforcement official said that the suspect, originally from Africa, Naeem Davis was a peddler and was on the street working when he was taken into custody. The official said that detectives were trying to determine a motive.

..The freelance photographer who took the pictures, R. Umar Abbasi, defended his actions in an interview. “I’m being unfairly beaten up in the press,” he said at his apartment...

Mr. Abbasi said he was wearing a 20-odd pound backpack of camera gear for an assignment, and was standing near the 47th Street entrance to the platform when he saw the man fall on the tracks. “Nobody helped,” he said. “People started running away.”

“I saw the lights in the distance,” signaling a subway’s approach, he said, so he started firing off flashes on the camera — 49 times in all, he said — as a means of warning the driver.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: gatheringintel; newyork; waronterror
The man who pushed an innocent man to death was Naeem Davis and the photographer who took photos instead of saving the mans life was Umar Abbasi...
1 posted on 12/05/2012 7:49:37 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos
“I’m being unfairly beaten up in the press,” he said at his apartment...

Of course. Once the victim was hurled on to the tracks, only one person actually tried to take action and prevent a tragedy.

Of course the press is all over the SOB who tried to do something. The press wants people to be sheep and accept all bad things with nothing more than a whimper. To take action? That just makes our masters angry.

2 posted on 12/05/2012 7:55:26 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Republicans have made themselves useless, toothless, and clueless.)
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To: Cronos

They should pass a law making it illegal to push people off of subway platforms. That would stop it!

/sarc


3 posted on 12/05/2012 7:55:26 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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but what does Bob Costas think of all this.....


4 posted on 12/05/2012 8:02:00 AM PST by raygunfan
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To: rarestia

We need to ban pushing... falling... standing... subways...
but let’s not blame the obamanite that pushed the poor guy.


5 posted on 12/05/2012 8:02:27 AM PST by baddog 219
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To: rarestia

They should abolish the railway so many people die falling on the tracks.


6 posted on 12/05/2012 8:02:51 AM PST by THE_RAIDER
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Why are we importing half-mad “street peddlars” from savage Africa? Who thought the killer would contribute to our society? From his name, I would guess Nigeria, the worst of the worst. You can’t walk here from Africa. Some State Department Consul gave this bozo a visa. You can’t get on or off the plane without one.


7 posted on 12/05/2012 8:03:15 AM PST by Godwin1
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To: rarestia
I must disagree with you. It is not pushing people that off subway platforms that kill people. It is the subway platforms. Subway platforms are deadly and should be banned. Or at the bare minimum should be licensed and very tightly regulated.
8 posted on 12/05/2012 8:04:44 AM PST by Tupelo (Hunkered down & loading up)
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To: rarestia

I say if there wasn’t a train coming down the track, this guy would be alive today. Get rid of all subways and make the world a more peaceful place
/s


9 posted on 12/05/2012 8:04:53 AM PST by shadeaud (We need to learn to know what our enemies are truly creating)
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To: rarestia

“Asking: Were There No Heroes”

No.


10 posted on 12/05/2012 8:05:26 AM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Cronos

In NYC and others people are constantly told NOT to intervene. City officials tell people “Dont be a hero”, “let the cops handle it”. Then they wonder why there are no heros.


11 posted on 12/05/2012 8:07:27 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cronos

Like there aren’t enough crazy people in NY, now we are importing them from Africa.


12 posted on 12/05/2012 8:09:54 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Cronos
Another Obama-son venting his black rage against the white man system. I bet Colin Ferguson would get off today with the mentality of the culture.
13 posted on 12/05/2012 8:11:26 AM PST by THE_RAIDER
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To: THE_RAIDER

I wonder what would be the effect of banning Arabs?


14 posted on 12/05/2012 8:12:55 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: Godwin1
The story doesn't tell us if he was illegal or not.

There's some sort of human smuggling going on from the African countries too. (Obama’s relatives- uncle and aunt are good examples). Hopefully, they didn't give this guy a visa, but who knows in this crazy government.

15 posted on 12/05/2012 8:15:08 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: Cronos

I think if it were a woman, several men would have tried to help.


16 posted on 12/05/2012 8:15:53 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Cronos

If this were a private company instead of a government entity, OSHA would be all over them.

Can you imagine what they would do if anyone else had large machines operating in a public area without safety shields and and lockout devices in place? Why are there not fences and gates to prevent this? Look at rides at any amusement park.


17 posted on 12/05/2012 8:24:05 AM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Cronos

Hispanic/white man shoots black hood in Florida in self defense = we are still a racist society and have so far to go and need so many more laws “protecting” minorities.

Possible illegal immigrant black man pushes white/asian man to death on a subway line for no other reason than that he was mad = who cares, just another day.


18 posted on 12/05/2012 8:27:12 AM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: nuconvert

The photo I saw the could have crossed the tracks and there was an open passage way! In his panic all he could think was to get back on the landing! IT is terrible that the pic did not show some citizens helping they guy!
And no one yelled to him to cross the tracks! That said he may have been injured in the fall and could not motivate. Regardless hopefully this criminal will be behind bars forever since Ole Sparky has been decommissioned!


19 posted on 12/05/2012 8:27:32 AM PST by Conserev1
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To: Conserev1
Yes, panic causes all kinds of brain misfirings. He could've crossed the track into an opening but he'd also have to be aware of the third rail, which could have did him in too.

And I could understand someone being wary of pulling him up for fear of being pulled into the tracks. You would need more than one person to accomplish that.

Also, it is very loud in the subway when that train is approaching or if there is another one on the other tracks, so he may not have heard anyone anyways, even if they were yelling.

Yes, Ole Sparky needs to be brought back in NY, it was taken out due to the death penalty law that was on the books being ruled "unconstitutional" by judges a bunch of years back. And of course, the state went so liberal that there is no call to correct that.

20 posted on 12/05/2012 8:38:40 AM PST by b4its2late (A Liberal is a person who will give away everything he doesn't own.)
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To: Cronos

You know, if there were no subways, this man would be alive today. WE NEED SUBWAY CONTROL.


21 posted on 12/05/2012 8:43:39 AM PST by Lazamataz (Islam is a religious form of Nazism.)
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To: edcoil
“Asking: Were There No Heroes”

No.

To be fair, helping that man would have taken some titanium balls. The platforms are high and the subway trains don't creep into the stations.

Trying to signal the train operator was probably the wisest thing to try, although the operator may have had trouble seeing the man on the tracks if his eyes were adjusting from the dark tunnel when the camera started flashing at him.

A horrible travesty, but we should not be punishing those who couldn't figure out what else to do.

22 posted on 12/05/2012 8:45:39 AM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: Conserev1

I wondered if it was a station that had more than 1 set of tracks.
With the sound of the train approaching, being dazed from the fall & people yelling, he may not have understood.

Tragic.


23 posted on 12/05/2012 8:46:11 AM PST by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

“What happened at Fort Hood was a tragedy, but I believe it would be an even greater tragedy if our diversity becomes a casualty here.” the Army Chief of Staff, Gen. George Casey, on ABC


24 posted on 12/05/2012 8:55:01 AM PST by Vehmgericht
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To: Godwin1
"Why are we importing half-mad “street peddlars” from savage Africa?"

They came as part of a package deal with the Kenyan president.

25 posted on 12/05/2012 8:57:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cronos

I know what I would have done.

I would have quickly ripped off my shirt, exposing my cape and the large “S” on my chest. Then I would have yelled to the man, “Who did you vote for? “

If his answer was, “for love of country”, I would have jumped to his rescue.

If his answer was, “Obama”, then I would have asked him, “where can we find your dental records..... ? “


26 posted on 12/05/2012 9:18:25 AM PST by Gator113 (**WHO in the hell gave the damn order to NOT rescue our men in Benghazi?**)
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To: Vehmgericht

How did a man that stupid get to be Chief of Staff.


27 posted on 12/05/2012 9:23:22 AM PST by Venturer
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To: ArGee

I don’t advocate busting anyone’s balls - just there are no more hero’s in New York. Seems they have been cowered by the government.

There is no way to guarantee any saving him would have been successful anyway.

Here is CA, we used to have a “good Samaritan” law that protected you from legal liability if you try to stop and help someone so now if you stop at a car wreck and try to help the victim could sue you. It is silly. I am sure NYC has the same.


28 posted on 12/05/2012 9:26:43 AM PST by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: Cronos

The truth is that Liberals are the least generous, least benevolent people in the country.


29 posted on 12/05/2012 9:31:45 AM PST by Truth2012
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Uh...several months ago an unemployed man on his way to a job interview rescued a child in a stroller who was blown on to the subway tracks by the backdraft of the departing train. New Yorkers rallied to his prospective boss asking that the he hire the hero. He did hire him and everybody had a happy ending.

I would think with your moniker you would have remembered this story.


30 posted on 12/05/2012 9:35:24 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Truth2012

but the ones who most decry the lack thereof when they are in need... (They’re entitled, don’tcha know...)


31 posted on 12/05/2012 9:39:10 AM PST by Dubh_Ghlase (Therefore, send not to know For whom the bell tolls, It tolls for thee.)
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To: nuconvert

There’s a new report that the victim was drunk and engaging with the maniac.

Again, I issue this warning: stay waaaaaaaay behind the yellow line and don’t talk to crazy people. Pretty simple really.


32 posted on 12/05/2012 9:50:32 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Cronos
The man who pushed an innocent man to death was Naeem Davis and the photographer who took photos instead of saving the mans life was Umar Abbasi...

This is a difficult situation for the media: There doesn't appear to be any white people who can be blamed for this.

33 posted on 12/05/2012 9:58:47 AM PST by GreenHornet
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To: raygunfan

If it weren’t for subways, this man would still be alive. ~ Bob Costas


34 posted on 12/05/2012 10:02:16 AM PST by rintense
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To: Cronos

I think they should make a law that requires all subway trains to be made out of Nerf so that they would bounce off of you if they hit you.


35 posted on 12/05/2012 11:13:00 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: miss marmelstein

“I would think with your moniker you would have remembered this story.”

I have been living in upstate NY for quite a while. The moniker is from a professor attempting to describe the cause of the interpersonal problems between me and my colleagues/professors as a graduate student in a southern university. The culture shock on both sides was considerable.


36 posted on 12/05/2012 11:40:04 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Obama being re-elected is the political equivalent of OJ being found not guilty.)
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To: Second Amendment First

the hong kong subway has glass doors that are closed until the train comes in, shutting off the tracks from teh platform<


37 posted on 12/05/2012 11:53:52 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

I can appreciate what you say - the New York attitude doesn’t always sell in other places.


38 posted on 12/05/2012 11:59:37 AM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: Cronos

Installing footholds along the platform walls to make it possible to climb out would make too much sense I gather...


39 posted on 12/05/2012 12:09:45 PM PST by Raebie (WS)
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To: ArGee

“Trying to signal the train operator was probably the wisest thing to try”

Isn’t it amazing how well composed his accidental shots are when he was simply trying to warn the operator with his flash?

If I were warning someone with a flashing light I’d be sure to point it right at them. Makes sense, right? And since the flash is pointing where the camera is focused...I’d expect the operator of the train to be the center of the shot.

Yet they’re so well composed.

Crazy luck, that.

As for punishment...what punishment could there be?

But don’t stand by and watch a man die so that you can get a great shot...and then expect people to like you.


40 posted on 12/05/2012 1:19:28 PM PST by Freeeedooomm
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To: Freeeedooomm
If I were warning someone with a flashing light I’d be sure to point it right at them.

So that, when coming out of a dark tunnel, you can dilate their pupils and they won't see what you're trying to warn them about?

As I think about what was probably going on during the scene, especially how fast those trains pull in, I'm surprised anyone thought to do anything.

41 posted on 12/05/2012 1:42:49 PM PST by ArGee (Reality - what a concept.)
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To: ArGee
"So that, when coming out of a dark tunnel, you can dilate their pupils and they won't see what you're trying to warn them about?

As I think about what was probably going on during the scene, especially how fast those trains pull in, I'm surprised anyone thought to do anything."

My friend...read what you just wrote, especially the part in bold.

Occam's Razor...the photog thought to do what he was trained to do...take pictures.

I don't want to hear some soccer excuse about how he not only had time to think "I'll warn the train driver with my flash! Yeah!" but also "Better not blind him with it while I'm doing it!" as the train bears down on the poor fellow.

Combine that with the perfectly framed pictures and it's obvious what happened.

Next thing you know all the people who had their phones out will claim they were trying to text the train operator to Stop! but they couldn't find the exclamation mark on their phone.
42 posted on 12/05/2012 3:13:36 PM PST by Freeeedooomm
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To: Cronos

That makes sense.

The NY subway system is 100 years old and the city has spent money that should have gone to maintenance on social programs.

Which politician will get elected?

The one who will build a new stadium or the one who pledges to fix the sewer system?


43 posted on 12/05/2012 3:18:19 PM PST by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Freeeedooomm

Exactly.


44 posted on 12/05/2012 3:43:19 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: rarestia

They should pass a law making it illegal to push people off of subway platforms.

We’ll need to set up a commission to study subway incidents, first.

Then negotiate pay and benefits packages for the commissioners.
Since this happened in New York the appropriate union must be involved. Antonio (knuckles) Graziano has already voiced an interest in unionizing commission employees


45 posted on 12/05/2012 4:10:34 PM PST by Joan Kerrey
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

No one wanted to become the next “Subway Vigilante”, thanks MSM. Thanks Cronos.


46 posted on 12/06/2012 6:36:12 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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