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For 2016, Bush vs. Clinton
CNN ^ | November 27, 2012

Posted on 12/04/2012 2:29:34 PM PST by MinorityRepublican

Jeb Bush in 2016?

(CNN) -- For all of our post-2012 election talk about the changing culture, the changing demographics and, perhaps, a changing party, preliminary thoughts out of D.C. about the 2016 election have us headed toward not much change at all: Clinton vs Bush ... again.

I am as intrigued by the prospects of these two juggernauts, Jeb and Hillary, locking ideological horns as I am repulsed by the thought of half of my life being dominated by two family names. One, Clinton, has risen from the ashes after the White House. The other name, Bush, is so toxic that the past two Republican nominees avoided saying it in public, opting instead to skip their combined 12 years in office and head straight back to Reagan.

Face it, Hillary has baggage, but Jeb has Bush, and that, moreso than his record as governor of Florida or ideas for the future, will determine, at least at the beginning, how he is received. That explains why more than a few conservatives were not thrilled to hear that he was thinking of running.

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KEYWORDS: aarrrggghhh; bush; clinton; gingrich; gingrichistheanswer; hillary; insanity; jebbush; really; seriously; stupidity; stupidparty; yeswecan

1 posted on 12/04/2012 2:29:42 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
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To: MinorityRepublican
The Saudi-owned press is choosing our candidate. Again.
2 posted on 12/04/2012 2:30:33 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("The more numerous the laws, the more corrupt the state." - Cornelius Tacitus, Roman Senator)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No!


3 posted on 12/04/2012 2:32:12 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

No more Bushes for me. Period.


4 posted on 12/04/2012 2:33:35 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ha - Dole - McCain - Romney and now Bush Jr against Michelle la belle with Van Jones as VP.


5 posted on 12/04/2012 2:35:36 PM PST by spokeshave (The only people better off today than 4 years ago are the Prisoners at Guantanamo.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

My worst f&%$ng nightmare.


6 posted on 12/04/2012 2:38:07 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!


7 posted on 12/04/2012 2:39:38 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give WAR a chance.......)
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To: tennmountainman

No more Bushes for me. Period.

Trust me. If Jeb Bush gets the nomination, you will again be bullied into voting for him like everyone bullied people here to vote for Romney. In 2009, FREEPERS were saying, “No way will I vote for Romney” and look what happened. They got on the Romney train and never looked back. They cycle is the same every single time.


8 posted on 12/04/2012 2:40:13 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wow, someone actually thinks there will be another presidential election in our lifetime?


9 posted on 12/04/2012 2:40:34 PM PST by nomobs
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To: napscoordinator

I hear what you are saying and it was true for sometime for me, as well.
However, since I believe this country has passed the point of no return
anyway, I will handle the paid Jeb Clampett Bush brow-beaters here.
I will not vote for another Rino under any circumstance. I’m done.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 2:45:29 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: tennmountainman
I've never said I will not vote for a RINO presidential candidate. Before now.

I will not do it again.

11 posted on 12/04/2012 2:47:41 PM PST by skeeter
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To: MinorityRepublican

NO.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 2:47:46 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (In the game of life, there are no betting limits)
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To: MinorityRepublican

too soon for another Bush to run (no matter how good this one may possibly really be)....

Hillary has turned off the majority of voters with her sellout of America as Sec of State... it won’t avail her much to try to excuse herself by pleading she was “just following orders,” that would make for a piss-poor campaign slogan

result of a Hillary vs Bush election?
massive voter turn-off and a nose-dive in legitimate votes
enabling
voter fraud to win again, only this time by a larger margin

Hillary in the White House (Billy probably then goes back to Arkansas as a single man)

TIME FOR THE R party to nominate someone who is salable to the voters and who will actually wage a real campaign for a change!


13 posted on 12/04/2012 2:47:46 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: tennmountainman

I believe this country has passed the point of no return
anyway

I fear you are correct. I just can’t believe that we got this bad. Why can’t intelligent people see the direction we are going and it is not good. I do believe it sucks that President Bush had the beginning ONE MONTH of badness before the election....I know it was over 4 years ago, but not matter how much I argue with people that it was the Democrats in Congress or that Obama has made it worse, the fact is, that people only see Bush’s ONE bad month before the election.....SO FRUSTRATING!


14 posted on 12/04/2012 2:53:58 PM PST by napscoordinator (GOP Candidate 2020 - "Bloomberg 2020 - We vote for whatever crap the GOP puts in front of us.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

Please, dear God,no more Bushes, no more Clintons, and no more RINOs! I am fairly confident that as the GOP goes on, they will give us candidates that will make GWB and Romney look like Tea Party conservatives.


15 posted on 12/04/2012 2:57:47 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: skeeter

Same here. The paid Bush brow beaters here will be wasting their time
with me.


16 posted on 12/04/2012 2:59:06 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: faithhopecharity

Can Slick actually stay out of the limelight if Hillary is elected? The cameras and adoring crowds are the one thing he craves as much as young, buxom interns.


17 posted on 12/04/2012 3:01:46 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

When is the next flight to........Bora Bora?


18 posted on 12/04/2012 3:01:49 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: MinorityRepublican

There is no chance of a GOP candidate winning a Presidential election again now with 50% takers and increasing and only 50% makers and decreasing paying the bills


19 posted on 12/04/2012 3:04:31 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

Not only that, but should the GOP run this fool, I will vote for his opponent.

I will vote for an Obama 3rd term before I support this man.

I have grown to hate the GOP and their bullsh!t “conservatives”.


20 posted on 12/04/2012 3:09:28 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Freestate316

I think she’ll divorce him? (She sure won’t need him knocking around, or knocking up any more interns).

(Ps: And she reportedly has a very close relationship going with a pretty Arab assistant? Or? ) )


21 posted on 12/04/2012 3:09:43 PM PST by faithhopecharity (--)
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To: MinorityRepublican

An obligatory “Stay out da’ Bushes” for y’all......


22 posted on 12/04/2012 3:13:39 PM PST by Adams (Fight on!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
JB is NOT my candidate.

The GOP-e needs to "stay outa da Bushes".

23 posted on 12/04/2012 3:20:55 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: faithhopecharity

I always looked at them as two sides of the same coin. She seemed like the cold, calculating ambitious one. He, reprehensible as he is, is a skilled politician who most people like personally, but at this point he’d rather play golf and give $250,000 speeches. He could be her press secretary. The WH press corpse would be orgasmic, and he would be the pr man for her administration.


24 posted on 12/04/2012 3:21:45 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: MinorityRepublican
the prospects of these two juggernauts, Jeb and Hillary

the prospects of these two jugheads, Jeb and Hillary...

25 posted on 12/04/2012 3:21:54 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: napscoordinator
In 4 yrs, I plan to be voting in WY.

My "present" vote for POTUS (should "open borders" Bush III be the GOP-e candidate) will not matter.

26 posted on 12/04/2012 3:26:05 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: napscoordinator

The reality is decades and decades of Grand Bargains by the DC crowd
on both sides, past and present have brought us to the brink. No special
interest group is willing to give back what they have gained with these
Grand Bargains. So, the DC hacks on both sides are incapable of making
the hard choices. Power over country.

So what other outcome is left if these hacks are unwilling or incapable
of addressing these issues?

A collapse is the only outcome left. I know it, they know it and the only
thing they will do about it is to raise taxes, not cut spending. The only
thing this will do it delay the outcome, not change the outcome.


27 posted on 12/04/2012 3:26:53 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: chris37

I’m with you. I’m fed up with the 24 year parade of RINOs, and I am at the point of saying I can’t hold my nose and vote again


28 posted on 12/04/2012 3:30:13 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I hope not, but not sure it matters.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 3:33:05 PM PST by pallis
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To: nomobs

Wow, someone actually thinks there will be another presidential election in our lifetime?

&&&
My thoughts exactly.


30 posted on 12/04/2012 3:38:09 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

This is just so freaking sad. Bush? Clinton? There are more than 350 MILLION folks in the US. Let’s assume that only 10% are eligible (yes, low amount)...but that still means 35 million people are eligible to become US President. Are we really down to just two freaking families...Bush and Clinton?

Gak! I thought the last 4 years were trying my last nerve. I do not want Jeb to be my choice.


31 posted on 12/04/2012 3:39:10 PM PST by conservaKate (R got it wrong in 2012. We must get it right in 2014 & 2016.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Ok, NOW we can damn well insist on a CONSERVATIVE!!!

No $$ to the NRC!


32 posted on 12/04/2012 3:43:11 PM PST by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: nomobs; All

Will there even be an election in 2016?

That's a good question, the way 'Our lord and Savior' is going- and if there is, what makes you think the massive voter fraud of 2012 won't get worse?

Will there be another Republican president?

Probably not unless we clean up the voting process.


We can not wait for 2014 and 2016 to regroup and figure out new strategies. By then it will be too late. The Marxist/Muslim usurper will have completed his planned distruction of America. That's what people fail to understand.

We must act NOW.

Start with the election. If we let the Rats get away with this massive voter fraud, we're no better than a bananna republic.

We must keep digging and pounding him every day, in every way we can- phony birth certificate, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, his hidden life, records....





Can't you just imagine this was the scene with Obama and his Commie staff after stealing the election through voter fraud- while Conservatives blame Romney, argue, point fingers, blather on about who to run in four years, 'starting a new party', and try to figure out how to suck up to minorities the 'next time'?



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Map from Barack Obama Voter Fraud 2012


What most refuse to acknowledge is that it was unlikely that ANYBODY could have beaten the voter fraud planned and perpetrated by the Obama machine. They seem to prefer pointing fingers, blaming Romney and blathering on about who to run in 2016 and how to suck up to the minorities.

>Polls indicated that Romney was going to win the election.

>The economy is close to Great Depression era conditions, and unemployment is almost as high as when Obama entered office.

>Economic conditions became so dire after Obama took office it prompted the rise of an entire new movement, the Tea Party.

>Presidents rarely win reelection when the economy is in the tank.

>Mitt knew it too, when he was met by several thousand in that parking garage cheering him when he arrived unannounced at that airport, and he put his hand over his heart and said, 'This is how you know you've won'.

So how did Romney lose a race that numerous reputable polls and pundits predicted would be an easy win, based on historical patterns?

Massive voter fraud.

That and no other reason

Almost every major Conservative website has put out an article charging voter fraud- Breitbart, American Thinker, Atlas Shrugs, WND, The Blaze, Front Page Magazine, Fox News, The Daily Caller, Town Hall, Human Events..


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Col Allen West; "I don't want to see America become like Zimbabwe where people don’t trust their electoral process. If we cannot trust the integrity of the voting system then we are no longer a free republic".

Col West has opened the door.

We must fight election fraud.

It falls on ‘We the People’.

Silence is consent
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These elections are NOT certified yet. The only way to get this investigated, much less recounted or overturned, is through the Secretary of State of each of the five key states: Florida, Virginia, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin. EVEN IF YOU ARE IN ANOTHER STATE you can help. But it won’t do any good to dilute our effort to challenge California or Michigan or other states. Until a major group gets involved to do more, here is the plan: Contact the Secretary of State of the state in question. See contact information below...

Read the rest- Here

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CANADA FREE PRESS: Here

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The website,'Barack Obama Vote Fraud 2012' is keeping a running account of cases of voter fraud and what to do about it:

(Astonishing!) > Visit the site- Here
Obama Voter Fraud on FaceBook- Here

Sign this petition- over 99,000 and counting -cards, email- Here

Sign the ‘We The People’ petition. It has 60,000 signatures and counting- Here

WND List of voter fraud reports Here
ATLAS SHRUGS voter fraud list. Here


Click here and sign the petition for a recount Here-

< Hannity and Col Allan West slam voter fraud Nov 12- Here

Photo of SOMALIANS brought to Ohio voting stations by the busload, 95% of whom did not speak English, and told to vote for Obama, straight Dem ticket- Here

'Human Events', report pollwatcher eyewitness to busload of Somalians at Ohio poll, spoke no English, told to vote Obama Here

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Must watch videos!

VIDEO-- Programmer Testifies About Rigging Elections With Vote Counting- Here

VIDEO- Illegal Aliens Caught Voting and Stealing Elections In Florida In Vast Numbers- Here

VIDEO- MICHAEL SAVAGE: How Obama fixed the 2012 election- Here

VIDEO- Massive voter fraud discovered in April- Here

VIDEO- Whistle blower speaks out about voter fraud- Here



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Voter fraud from Tea Party: Here

The American Dream- 22 Signs That Voter Fraud Is Wildly Out Of Control And The Election Was A Sham: Here

Town Hall : Obama Likely Won The Election Through Voter Fraud: Here

American Thinker: Was The Election Stolen:? Here

WSVN-TV Almost 1K Ballots Found In Broward Elections Warehouse: Here

Pundit Press; In Florida Obama Got Over 99% In Broward County Precincts: Here

Natural News.com: 19,605 to Zero IS Statistical Proof Of Outright Vote Fraud in 2012 Presidential Election: Here

Realville, USA: The Great Election Robbery of 2012? Here

WND: Here's How Touchscreens Killed Romney Votes: Here

The American Dream: Election Fraud? Obama Won More Than 99% Of The Vote in More Than 100 Ohio Precincrs: Here

WND: The Big List Of Voter Fraud Reports: Here

Nachum's List of Voter Fraud: Here

MORE:

Newt Gingrich 360: Here

Appalachian Forums: Here

Before It's News: Here

WND: Here

Political Outcast: Here

True The Vote: Here

Fox News Insider: Here

Human Events; Here

The Will County News: Here

Fox News: Here

WND: Here

Townhall: Here

Breitbart Here

Accuracy In Media The Left's national voter fraud strategy exposed: Here

Thousands of military votes uncounted or missing: Here

Human Events: Here

Front Page Magazine: Here

The Blaze Here

The Daily Caller: Here

Front Page Magazine Here

Military Voter Protection Project: Here

BreitBart Here

Townhall: Here

Fox News Here

The Blaze Here






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The best Obama Exposure site on the net, The Obama File: Here

The United StatesLibrary of Congress has selected TheObamaFile.com for inclusion in its historic collection of Internet materials Here







33 posted on 12/04/2012 3:45:41 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Who hatched THIS stupid idea? Unbelievable!!


34 posted on 12/04/2012 3:46:43 PM PST by browniexyz
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To: MinorityRepublican

No way. No more Bush EVER!


35 posted on 12/04/2012 3:47:40 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: MinorityRepublican

The fix is in I guess. This is exactly what happened in 1996 after Dole bellyflopped against Clinton. It was the media that promoted G.W. before the primaries to make a weak opponent for Al Gore. We barely pulled off a Republican win. Not that everything turned out all that well in hindsight but we could have done much better.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 3:48:27 PM PST by webheart (King of the Passive Voice)
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To: patriot08

We need a MASSIVE LANDSLIDE to “earn” a squeaker....

Sadly it seems even a massive landslide would not win either...


37 posted on 12/04/2012 3:50:18 PM PST by GraceG
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yup. although I have been hearing FOR YEARS about this stupid matchup. Where are the Americans? Where are the patriots? When is someone going to stand up to the machine and grab politics away from the minders? Huh? Neither of these two — not Hillary and not Jeb — should even be remote possibilities. Heck, I even read that Moochelle should be the next Prez! This is a girl who can’t even hang on to her Illinois law license!!! Hillary is bang boom in the center of Benghazi and Bush is related to two ridiculous excuses for Presidents. WHY?? WHY CAN’T AMERICA DO BETTER THAN THIS????


38 posted on 12/04/2012 3:56:42 PM PST by browniexyz
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To: MinorityRepublican

39 posted on 12/04/2012 3:57:34 PM PST by Bratch
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To: MinorityRepublican

2016 - don’t bother marking the “President” selection of the ballot.


40 posted on 12/04/2012 4:01:27 PM PST by Little Ray (Get back to work. Your urban masters need their EBTs refilled.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

I voted GOP down the ticket...but for Constitution Party for POTUS...never support a GOP RINO for President. So run Jeb and you wont get my vote...I am more and more coming to the concluding that the GOP national is nothing but DEM LITE...and no MAS!
Freegards
LEX


41 posted on 12/04/2012 4:47:11 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: MinorityRepublican

Gag me.... totally gag me.....


42 posted on 12/04/2012 5:02:29 PM PST by super7man
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To: MinorityRepublican

Wow, the propaganda starts early. Once the constitution dies it doesn’t much matter to me who the puppet is.


43 posted on 12/04/2012 5:17:40 PM PST by marron
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To: MinorityRepublican

Call me when Rand Paul and Allen West team up.


44 posted on 12/04/2012 5:19:34 PM PST by marron
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To: MinorityRepublican

By the time 2016 gets here Ronald Reagan could not win. Stalin would win in a roam. The United Soviet Socialist States of Ameirka will have gone over the cliff and down the toilet. I am not voting for another Bush. I am sick of the Scull and Bones gang.


45 posted on 12/04/2012 5:22:25 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Would finally be enough after 52 years of going to the polls in every presidential election - to make me stay home and not vote....


46 posted on 12/04/2012 6:02:52 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: napscoordinator

“No more Bushes for me. Period.”

Me, neither.

This has got to stop somewhere.

I’m wondering if perhaps the 2008 election represented “the high point” numerically for the number of “Republican” votes cast in a presidential election.

The total was lower in 2012.

Put Bush on the ticket and it may be lower yet in 2016.

It’s no longer a question of whether the Republicans will face a threat from a third party.

They are turning themselves INTO the “third” party.


47 posted on 12/04/2012 7:09:38 PM PST by Road Glide
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To: napscoordinator

I think the Bush family are the ones behind Boehner and McConnell, don’t you? Who else would have the power to pull strings behind the scenes. They have to keep that dynasty going, you know.


48 posted on 12/21/2012 8:38:22 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: tennmountainman

Federal taxes are a shell game, we pay taxes to Washington and then they bribe us with our own money. We pay probably thousands of different kinds of federal taxes that we cannot keep track of how much money we individually pay to Washington. Washington is a big vacuum cleaner just sucking the money out of our pockets. I don’t think the problem will ever be solved in Washington because Washington itself is the problem. The solution is going to have to come from the states. Can the states nullify some of the federal taxes?


49 posted on 12/21/2012 9:02:59 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: cradle of freedom

Don’t know if states can nullify taxes. But good thoughts.


50 posted on 12/22/2012 9:18:29 AM PST by tennmountainman
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