Skip to comments.Bozell: 'Time for Conservatives to Start Looking for a New Home'
Posted on 12/04/2012 1:29:55 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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You gotta love a Freeper who lives his tagline. You're settling for a mediocre party that stands for nothing except that which our enemies allow.
No one expects a third party to win elections out of the box. But today's Republican Party can't either. The idea is to confront the Republican Party with the loss of influence and power that will surely follow -- necessarily -- by the revolt of its base.
We want their attention. That's how you gain control -- not by working from within a party structure that is built for conservatives to fail.
The vote for Speaker is non-denominational, is it not? The RATs will gladly toss in with the RINOs to pull a Boehner on us.
Damn, guess some people around here are starting to a heaping helping of the treatment Ron Paul supporters and libertarians got all year. Well, a lot longer than that, actually. But yeah...this is how it feels. It’s gonna sting for a little while. Walk it off.
Oh, B.S! It's a different age, a different time now than it was 20 years ago. There's no use standing up and fighting the stupid party any more rinos have won!
The tea party formed for just this reason!
Col West, Sarah and others like them who have balls and can call a spade a spade.
This wussy care about their own power cowards need to be forced out
Here in Indiana, a fairly typical heartland state, the party espousing that platform got 1.9% of the popular vote in 2012.
So we put the two logos together, A Chicken in a Cave.
That could be their anthem, sung to the tune of ‘Turkey in the Straw’.
I get a kick out of the false conservatives who blame the people not the failed leaders and successful greedy opportunists. No one has ever done well blaming their own supporters.
Given a real leader, like Mr. Reagan, the conservatives will come together and can change America for the better.
Would tend to get in the way of the feeding frenzy at the treasury.
Chicken heading straight for the cave.
Sums up Bonehead, McConnell and the RINO/GOPe, perfectly.
I never voted for either party for a while, but I think Obama and people like him are an exception. See my problem with your line of thought is that conservatives are easily divided and conquered by the most simple of differences. It’s not the parties fault that we’re not proactive and putting in OUR leaders into the republican party. We got Mitt...because we lack the will. I don’t play the victimization role of the left. WE.....ARE THE ones to blame!
But again, I would rather have Mitt than Obama and I wouldn’t want a third party to interrupt conservatives from really influencing the republican party.
On a sideline note, how much of the conservative base was talking about the housing bubble and medical/medicare/medicaid cost here or anywhere for that matter (before it happened)? I was talking about medical arena for sometime and predicted that eventually we’d have to make a chose. But most of the conservative here got fixated on far less important topics in the long-run and I truly think our lack of will is what is to blame. If most of us paid attention and actually acted more than talked, then we wouldn’t be in this mess...and I’m willing to take some of that blame. Are the rest of the freepers that willing? Are you?
Hell of a GOOD idea. That seed planted now would grow into something IMMENSE by 2014 and probably be UNSTOPPABLE in 2016.
All it takes is LEADERSHIP. America's Conservatives are waiting for someone to STEP UP.
Thing is self restraint, fiscal sense, and such do not win elections. People want other peoples money. They don’t want to earn it themselves.
It's called Stanton's Law: "After our guy is elected, he stops being our guy."
“How about the Conservatives in the House mobilize to vote out Boehner from his leadership position?”
Thats what I’m thinking. We need to get rid of the problem children and just get the party back on track.
Agree completely. I will no longer put any faith or expectations in amy political leader. My faith is now placed on Christ alone where it should have been all along.
“How about the Conservatives in the House mobilize to vote out Boehner from his leadership position?”
To what end? The next gop leader will be as bad or worse. The weeper is merely a symptom of the underlying problem.
Did you sit out this election?
“As Ross Perot showed, with essentially unlimited money and a ton of MSM publicity, a third party can pull in a solid 19% and lock in Dems solidly.”
So what? Even when the gop wins, they act to expand the scope of socialism. When they lose, they do the same. The Dems are already locked in.
“You either make the republican party more conservative or nothing. “
Then it’s going to be nothing. The gop isn’t interested in becoming more conservative.
The title is misspelled.
DEAD! THEY'RE ALL DEAD!
Except this time, they really ARE all dead. I guess all we can do is warm the benches, strengthen the Statehouses, but then I come across this graph
I left the Republican Party a few days after the defeat. Boehner does not have the ability to resist the democrat arguments. He must be turned out because he is burned out. We need an angry Speaker of the House.
Your statement is what the "Reform the GOP" types apparently cannot see.
The current GOP is driving the country off a cliff at 50mph, while the demos are going 100.
So what is the difference??
Gonna hold their feet to the fire, are ya?
I posted this a while back but it definitely applies here considering the insanity I see on this thread...
We also need to make it clear to those who call themselves conservatives that contributing cover and support to the GOP BY THE RANK AND FILE is also very much the problem. And we need a clean break from those types as well.
You have all seen them. Those who call liberal ideas and candidates conservative. Plenty infest every remotely conservative site on the web, including this one.
We can be serious about who and what we are and believe, or we can keep playing this pathetic game.
I have made my choice. Time for many here to man up and make theirs.
We either believe in principle or we do not. And those who do not cannot by definition be conservative.
“Did you sit out this election?”
No. I voted.
But someone needs to step-up quickly. Sarah Palin, are you listening?
It is a huge job, and it needs to be started now.
the few conservatives left in the House need to vote against Boehner for Speaker
Even Rip Van Winkle had to finally wake up after a long spell.
Yes. And that graph indicates that the fight for conservatives on the national level is already over. This is a one man/woman/corpse, one vote system and so long as the cities are dominant population-wise....which they will be for the foreseeable future...it’s a lost battle.
The good news is that there are huge swaths of area where our side is dominant. I view this talk about the gop to be worse than useless as it diverts attention from the fact that we already have a large portion of the land area under our sphere of influence.
The Divorce is coming. How that salts out and when it happens is orders of magnitude more important to us than which set of cowards and knuckleheads gets to run the gop.
Allen West, Mark Levin, Newt Gingrich to name a few, though I do not believe those men are angry per se, I’ll go with passionate.
We call ourselves The T.E.A. Party!
Yup! So Right.
Please do not forget the right women either.
Just a reminder.
“So what is the difference??”
There is one, but it’s not worth worrying about. The gop is a failed political party and the sooner it’s buried and forgotten, the better off we are.
I think a lot of this is intended to divert attention.
Not entirely true. Look at the people that really did have the will: Ron Paul supporters.
There were several bad calls WRT the primaries that benefited Romney at the expense of Paul; the one that sticks out in my mind is the one where they rules-lawyered their right to delegates (a fair win) and the rules were retroactively changed so that Romney got their delegates. (Add that to the teleprompter-incident at the RNC which accepted a rule-change forcing voters in the electoral college to vote for the assigned candidate and it really does indicate a conspiracy.)
better name—The Liberty Party—our symbol a bell ringing —animal: An American Bison or Rattlesnake. Motto: “Ring out Liberty though out the land.”
Then we get a new party and the ron paul type will go against the conservative. With conservatives Israel is in and drugs are out!
Get em trending on Twitter
Maybe we can rid ourselves of crybaby Boehner in time for fiscal cliff?
infiltrate the D party like the commies did
And here I thought Conservatives were for Constitutionalism and the Rule of Law. The War on Drugs [WOD] is an evil contraconstitutional policy which has legally damaged liberty like no other policy I can think of, it is harmful to most of the guarantees of the Bill of Rights.
I wouldn’t count on the divorce happening any time soon, if it actually does happen. People in this country are notoriously intransigent.
In the mean time, we should recognize that the Republican Party is essentially incapable of winning on a national level and focus on our regional dominance, like you said. Someone - and I don’t know who - should start a conservative third party and get ready to roll with local candidates (and perhaps select House races on the national level, I.E. Alan West) in 2014.
I wish someone would step up to the task. I wish we had a figurehead. I wish people like GOPe media machine hadn’t produced so many Stockholm syndrome conservatives.
And here I thought Conservatives were for Constitutionalism and the Rule of Law.
Conservatives are against the enemy within but not the RP crowd. We have no rule of law now - you lost it all now. SO MUCH for your priorities!
THANK YOU for posting this list. Maybe (and i’m not gonna hold my breath) it will wake up some freepers to the statist tactics of the WOD... I’m constantly shocked at the sheer number of statists here that claim to be conservatives but willingly piss on the constitution because it fits their worldview.
Real freedom means other people get to do things that you may not like. Just as you get to do things that others may not like.
Excuse me, but I was illustrating how the WOD is neither constitutional, nor lawful, nor just... I was not advocating a person, or even a party, but addressing you about that which you said: that conservatives are anti-drug (pro-WOD).
As for Israel, consider this: we have no money. We shouldn't be giving foreign aid to ANYONE, we simply don't have money.
We shouldn't be sticking our dicks into every other country's business, we need to fix what's wrong with our country first.
Let God take care of Israel, not only can He can do it without our 'help', but He says something about the man that fails to provide for his own family being worse than an unbeliever -- does not this also apply to governments?
Our government needs to be concerned about its citizens first and foremost, it cannot continue to make the Citizen of a lower caste than "undocumented immigrants" who are only slightly lower than the political caste in what legal protections they are afforded.
But back to the WOD, it clearly illustrates a contempt for the Constitution and for that which is lawful: By supporting the WOD you are supporting extra-constitutional governance w/o Rule of Law... and without the Rule of Law, the 'rules' are whimsical, lacking any need for rationality, and which are only selectively applied. (IOW, you are ceding to the government power to tyranny in supporting the WOD.)
Example: I generally dislike cigarette-smoke; however, the 'anti-smoking' laws for buildings are exceedingly onerous. -- Liberty means that Bob, owner of Bob's Bar, can make his establishment a smoking establishment; tyranny means he has no choice, but is mandated to make it one or the other.
I like your approach. I would make one small change.
Don’t vote for Pelosi. Instead the conservatives in the House should tell Boehner that they are voting for Allen West for Speaker.
Either he (Boehner) rallies the party behind their conservative choice (West), or the GOP will lose all their chairmanships, when the Dems have the votes to elect Pelosi.
There it is - hardball conservative politics. (Most of us have not seen it before.)
I am now of the thought that we need a bonafide free market fanatical sociopath at the helm.
Anything short of that won't cut it, at this point.
We need a trail blazing, I don't give a &*%$ what anyone thinks, we are GOING to win sort of personality to grab the reins of power.