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To: aimhigh

Which is why I only purchase from individuals, cash only. (I’m not convinced, no matter what the law says, that a record isn’t being kept of every background check and firearm transaction by some shadowy government agency. So if the day ever comes where some registration or confiscations scheme is passed, that agency will suddenly “discover” that, oops, those records didn’t get destroyed like they were suppose too and they still have a record of every transaction that went through NICS).


4 posted on 12/04/2012 8:12:14 AM PST by apillar
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To: apillar

By the time the poor souls that have to actually go door to door make it to me all mine will have been lost in a boating accident.

Can you imagine the turnover rate for that job? How many would be “retired” early? If not already happening that would be the spark for CW 2. Our rank and file military won’t support (at least all the ones I know) and most of not 3/4 of police will not. That leaves boot licking feds.


7 posted on 12/04/2012 8:23:27 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: apillar

I agree. I don’t think it unreasonable to assume that a record, electronic or otherwise is created and is kept, regardless of law. However, on the other hand, the admin process for tracing firearms begins with a serial numbered weapon recovered somewhere along the way (crime scene etc) then the manufacturers records indicate to whom it was shipped (distributor) then those records indicate which FFL bought it and the ATFE (which should, by the way, be a convience store) contacts the FFL (if still in business) and the bound book entry indicates when it was sold at retail or otherwise disposed of, then the form 4473 filed by month and year reflects the original retail purchaser. If the FFL is defunct, then the ATFE has to search the 4473s in gov storage, so yes, eventually all 4473s unless destroyed by other unplanned circumstances, wind up in the hands of the federales....

Buying privately is a good idea.

Anyway, that is how the lawful trace system works. They goota have the gun (with serial #) to start with.


10 posted on 12/04/2012 8:32:38 AM PST by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally correct!))
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To: apillar

I share your concern. I have not been as disiplined as you.


12 posted on 12/04/2012 8:37:39 AM PST by Obadiah (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash?)
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To: apillar

Imagine how many other folks are doing the same thing .....:-) The ‘new record’ number is no doubt a good bit understated as to the numbers of folks arming themselves or beefing up their arsenals.


25 posted on 12/04/2012 9:36:10 AM PST by MissMagnolia ("It is when a people forget God that tyrants forge their chains" - Patrick Henry)
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To: apillar

You’re probably right but they have other ways. Unless you pay cash for ammunition there is a record of that. Home insurance companies keep the records also. Sign-in sheets at the gun range. Hunting licenses.

A myriad of ways they can tell.


28 posted on 12/04/2012 9:51:38 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: apillar

Anybody who ever bought ammo or mags with a credit card will also be flagged. They know what weapon goes with what ammo.


30 posted on 12/04/2012 10:29:24 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: apillar

When it all collapses what difference does it make if they have you on record or not? The bullets will be flying every direction anyway. Pick up a gun from a fallen warrior and keep shooting.


36 posted on 12/04/2012 11:58:43 AM PST by crosshairs (Hurricane Barry is 1000 times more destructive than Hurricane Sandy.)
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To: apillar
You are basically right. A user on Market-Ticker seems to have had direct contact with “The List” or so he says and it does make sense. The records are kept by the DMV apparently and tied to your DL making it easy when a LEO stops you and you have a gun. All he has to run is your DL and then has access to a firearms list.
http://tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?singlepost=3080083
Here is the Thread
http://tickerforum.org/cgi-ticker/akcs-www?post=214333&page=1
37 posted on 12/04/2012 12:40:05 PM PST by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: apillar
Which is why I only purchase from individuals, cash only.

Then you cannot purchase anything newly manufactured.

Sure limits what you can have, and how much you will pay for it.

I hate FedGov as much as anybody, but who are they going to find in 2 million firearms transfers per month?

38 posted on 12/04/2012 12:41:51 PM PST by backwoods-engineer ("Remember: Evil exists because good men don't kill the gov officials committing it." -- K. Hoffmann)
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