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Sen. Graham: Obama’s Economic Plan Will Turn US Into Greece
Newsmax ^ | Sunday, 02 Dec 2012 01:03 PM | Amy Woods

Posted on 12/02/2012 10:25:51 PM PST by Olog-hai

Sen. Lindsey Graham said President Barack Obama’s plan to prevent American from going over the fiscal cliff is “a joke.”

“I think we’re going over the cliff,” the South Carolina Republican said Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “It’s pretty clear to me they’ve made a political calculation. This offer doesn’t remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security from imminent bankruptcy.” …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: austerity; lindseygraham; rinos; unemployment

1 posted on 12/02/2012 10:26:05 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

Pretty testeronic talk for a liberal Republican Establishment type guy.

Where was this fine mouthpiece when we had conservatives on the rack during the primary? He was off supporting Romney who never convinced anyone of anything, because he had no core on anything.

What is Lindsey up to? He pops up like quarterly taxes. I prefer a conservative emerging as our leader, but not the McCain, Graham, Ayotte trio trying to shape things with pals across the aisle.


2 posted on 12/02/2012 10:45:15 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama’s plan IS to make the US like Greece. What the heck are the gutless Republicans doing about it. Forget about getting crucified in the media for calling out Obama, the press will do that no matter what the Republicans do. Have some guts Graham, call out Obama and risk your political career. Is it not worth it?


3 posted on 12/02/2012 10:48:48 PM PST by Dapper 26
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To: Olog-hai

If what has been happening in Greece happens in the US economically, our riots will make theirs look like a lunch period elementary school food fight...


4 posted on 12/03/2012 12:37:24 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Olog-hai

Greece has Sugar Daddies in Northern Europe bailing them out.

When we crash, no one is going to pick us up.


5 posted on 12/03/2012 12:52:18 AM PST by Tzimisce (What do you do when every every branch of the government is corrupt and aligned against you?)
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To: Tzimisce

Those aren’t grants; those are loans. And there are some bizarre and draconian terms to those loans as well, chief among them the surrender of sovereignty.


6 posted on 12/03/2012 12:53:59 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: RitaOK
Nearly a full 4 1/2 years ago conservatives who could read and write were warning the world, senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain prominently among them, that Obama was a radical leftist bent on the destruction of the American political and economic system. I remember posting countless times during the course of the election campaign that if John McCain did not "morally" destroy Barack Obama the Alinsky partisan would win the election easily and March on and to do unimagined harm.

John McCain did everything but anoint Obama with oil and blessings. Lindsay Graham has always been McCain's butt boy. These two share a conceit that they are high-minded and clear thinking respecting American foreign policy and they make claim to be fiscal conservatives. they fancy themselves possessed of a high minded bipartisanship, they pride themselves on walking across the aisle and appealing to the better Angels of a liberal's conscience. Benghazi revealed the depths of Obama's contempt for the American system and, consequently, for his own role as commander-in-chief.Obama has no better Angel.

McCain and Graham have had an epiphany as their delusions have been swept away. Obama, gasp, does not share our values, McCain and Lindsey are shocked to learn, in fact he is the enemy of our values domestic as well as foreign. If Obama despises the system he must also have contempt for any idea that he owes the system truth, loyalty or patriotism. Suddenly, it becomes orthodox to criticize Obama.

McCain Graham are not beating the drum now against Obama because he affronted their conservative values, he affronted their personal view of the world and betrayed the good old boy network in doing so. It is simply not done to break their high minded code of conduct at this level. So, the criticism by Graham and McCain is now to be heard.

Four and one half years too damn late and for the wrong reasons.


7 posted on 12/03/2012 1:31:38 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
Four and one half years too damn late and for the wrong reasons.

Exactly what one has come to expect from John Sidney McCain.

8 posted on 12/03/2012 2:03:58 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA; Ignorance on parade.)
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To: nathanbedford

I told all my friends: if you like what the Democrats have done for Cook County, then you’ll love Obama.


9 posted on 12/03/2012 2:30:37 AM PST by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Olog-hai

The Won’s plan is not to turn the US into Greece; it’s to turn the US into Zimbabwe.


10 posted on 12/03/2012 2:31:19 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Olog-hai

Obama thinks he can conduct a class for the GOP called Fascist Social Engineering 101.

Obama may actually fail to survive the retribution of the People for what can only be seen as a wannabe dictators conduct.


11 posted on 12/03/2012 2:39:42 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: nathanbedford

Nearly a full 4 1/2 years ago conservatives who could read and write were warning the world, senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain prominently among them, that Obama was a radical leftist bent on the destruction of the American political and economic system.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

And these sources are well worth reading:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


12 posted on 12/03/2012 2:42:10 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Olog-hai
If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got. Pretty well-known position. So WHY is the GOP continuing to use their tired M.O. of compromising, failing to challenge the opposition, being so damned gentlemanly in the face of evil? They need to adopt some the tried and true Dem approaches to getting the country on their side. Use the media. We don't have the MSM to carry our water, so run effective ads telling truths during prime time tv. Use young Republicans and Independents to be the face of the party. Get the word out about the facts of this economic calamity and about Obamacare. Get the public on our side to fight them. Don't just like down and complain about it. Learn.
13 posted on 12/03/2012 4:00:01 AM PST by Heartland Mom ("Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: 1010RD

Quote: “I told all my friends: if you like what the Democrats have done for Cook County, then you’ll love Obama.”

- Bears repeating. (The Dhimmicrats have “done” it in many places; not just Cook County.)


14 posted on 12/03/2012 4:34:49 AM PST by Twinkie (ABORTION is GENOCIDE.)
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To: Olog-hai
The wreck will be epic.


15 posted on 12/03/2012 5:28:18 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Olog-hai

They keep revising those loans and making them weaker and weaker. They already had a principal write down and now forbearing interest for years. Besides verification is zero as to compliance. I have no doubt they’ve cut spending but nobody can say how much.


16 posted on 12/03/2012 5:55:10 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

So long as the chief condition is met—surrender of sovereignty—the rest won’t matter too much. After all, the European Union’s own budget has been rejected by auditors for eighteen years in a row thus far . . .


17 posted on 12/03/2012 6:04:41 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: DuncanWaring

The Won’s plan is not to turn the US into Greece; it’s to turn the US into Zimbabwe.

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Exactly! Which is why I dubbed him Obamugabe some time back.


18 posted on 12/03/2012 6:36:15 AM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: Olog-hai

Ask your typical under-30 type and he would LOVE us to be Greece.

Free tuition, cushy job with prime benefits and part-time hours, semi-permanent vacation, etc.


19 posted on 12/03/2012 6:41:54 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Olog-hai

The kenyan has many times indicated that he desires the US to be Greece.


20 posted on 12/03/2012 7:08:17 AM PST by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINE www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson)
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To: arthurus

Even more I suspect he’d like the U.S. to be Kenya.


21 posted on 12/03/2012 7:16:22 AM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Olog-hai
What he says is true with or without Obama doing anything else.

How about... if the republicans had a clue they would still snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory...

Or even better:

If Lindsey had any testosterone in his body his mother would still be a man before him.

22 posted on 12/03/2012 10:02:18 AM PST by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: nathanbedford

Thank you for your response and your points, with which I certainly agree. You have the oldtimers doing all the squawking nailed.

I have to say, at this point, I am becoming more Libertarian in my rage than I am a strictly conservative Republican.

The conservatives seem to me to have become so rigid and so bloody divisive that they balcanize themselves, becoming easy prey for the Republic party who smells the blood from our quarrels.

We pay the Establishment, work for them, defend them as if they were our mother’s milk, and they take it all, use it, and then mess with us, roll over and leave us. Talk about prostituting ourselves, or talk about being on the plantation, we most certainly are.

Conservative Republicans are not organized. I thought they were going to be a movement, in the Tea Party, but I realized that a lot of their numbers were fiscal Libertarians. The original Tea Party voice brought unity from diverse political philosophies, who were nevertheless able to unify around one or two simple ideas, against the Pelosi driven Obamacare fiscal cliffery and the initial Obama bail outs, resulting from the real estate corruption & collapse, and confiscation of banks and GM.

I don’t know where “we” went from that first T Party collective push, but the Libertarians stuck together with their one guy and bothered to create some havoc with the Party Est. during primaries, during caucasus, during the convention Rules, ballots, and nominations, and their guy dispensed with the bs to follow— the Libertarian did not endorse or support the socialist, Romney.

The Libertarians are not everything I want in many obvious areas, (Israel) but they happen to be the only stand up and fight organization that I see. I prefer their crude, blunt honesty to the establishment pay to play mouthpieces any day.

This would include Rubio, who fails to convince me that he isn’t entirely Bush groomed, and whom last I heard can’t seem to decide whether he is Protestant or Catholic. (Focus groups will come up with that answer for him.)

Another thing, we conseratives support the Constitution doggedly, except where we disagree with it, like foreign wars policy and monetary rules.

The Constitution is taken painfully rigidly and literally by Libertarians, who are seemingly unimpressed with all the contradictory laws and regulations that have flowed from it, in the name of “justice” and fairness. I’m not impressed either, on that count.


23 posted on 12/03/2012 11:45:13 AM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Dapper 26

people do not understand how “like Greece” works.

like Greece means:

-I got mine oppressive taxation.

-crony capatalism based on who you know and lobbying for regulation exceptions via bribes. (atlas shrugged)

-becoming a “soft power” rather than the current “hard power”

-surrender of sovereignty

-communists like trumpka in charge of other people’s corprations.

-general motors ... no explanation needed.

-free stuff for the citizens where citizens are reduced to slaves or serfs.

-the court system is meaningless, contracts are meaningless


24 posted on 12/03/2012 11:59:42 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Dapper 26

people do not understand how “like Greece” works.

like Greece means:

-I got mine oppressive taxation.

-crony capatalism based on who you know and lobbying for regulation exceptions via bribes. (atlas shrugged)

-becoming a “soft power” rather than the current “hard power”

-surrender of sovereignty

-communists like trumpka in charge of other people’s corprations.

-general motors ... no explanation needed.

-free stuff for the citizens where citizens are reduced to slaves or serfs.

-the court system is meaningless, contracts are meaningless

It is not just the spending, it is the insider power grab that is dangerous. All those insider bankers who went to DC and DEMANDED help because “do you know who we are?” thuggery are just looking to solidify their personal power and are willing to sell a piece to Obama for his place overlooking the parade at the USSR.


25 posted on 12/03/2012 12:09:45 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: RitaOK
Rita:

I too have been suffering eruptions which I call my recurring libertarian virus. Many of us predicted before the election that if Romney lost it would be a very serious blow to the unity of the Republican Party, perhaps resulting in a real third party movement. You are quite right, the tea party has not developed into a political party and even has raised questions about whether it even remains a movement. There is a streak of libertarianism in the tea party movement and that is probably why the tea party has failed to extend beyond issues of taxing and some aspects of spending-Medicare, for example, excepted because it is clearly fundamental to the tea party movement that the spending be maintained for programs they like.

So the tea party brings its own inherent inconsistency which perhaps has prevented it from becoming a longer-lasting movement having a recognizable effect on election of 2012. In may have had its effect on the 2012 election but it certainly was not obvious as it was in 2010.

The age-old question for us conservatives remains: do we try to reform the Republican Party, in effect purge it of its establishment heresies, or do we strike out into a third-party, such as the tea party might have become, or the Libertarian party. By the way, I do not necessarily believe that the failure the tea party movement to become an actual third-party was necessarily a bad thing. It really depends on the answer to the sentence which led off this paragraph.

Whatever the strategy, it is clear that we cannot go on as we have. We really need a William Pitt in the House of Representatives instead of John Boehner but none appears to me anywhere on the horizon. The lesson is clear, and it can be drawn from the fate of Colonel West at the polls or the fate of Michelle Bachmann has been marginalized by the establishment. This tells me that there is no sanctuary for us in the House of Representatives. John Boehner does not appear to have even the tactical sense of a Tip O'Neill. Can you imagine if we had a speaker of the house who was conservative enough to hold and pursue conservative values to the same extent as Nancy Pelosi pursued her mischief?

I am not unmindful of the injunction of John F. Kennedy, "first you gotta win." Unfortunately, we lost. We are lucky to have the House, such as it is. John Boehner conducts himself a speaker of the house with an eye on the next election, thinking defensively how can he retained his majority? There is no hope that Boehner will risk his majority in pursuit of conservative principles. There is some hope that Boehner will be forced to pursue conservative principles in order to maintain his majority. In other words, John Boehner should be made to fear us more than he fears them.

To return to a consideration of libertarianism, after the 2006 election I wrote a rather long piece about the necessity of the Republican Party to find its soul. I suggested that time modify the Libertarian approach in which we hope to keep the social conservatives because we are adamant about those social issues in which there is an identifiable victim. Abortion is manifestly an example in which I say we should fight to the death. But the victim test does not necessarily include opposition to gay rights because I do not see a clear connection between permitting gay marriage and the destruction of traditional marriage, this even though I am fully aware of the danger of the destruction of our institutions as intended by The Frankfurt School. In the event, we are going to lose this war against gay marriage and in the process we are going to lose the gay vote. If one goes back to Pat Buchanan's convention speech in 1988 he talks about the fight against gay marriage. We lost both.

Please do not misunderstand me, I would much prefer to pursue social issues if we could do so effectively. I do not advocate a policy of appeasement or surrender on these issues. I do advocate understanding what happened to his election and fixing it and that implies much that we already understand and much that we do not understand. On the other hand, I am an advocate of personal liberty, free speech, free exercise of religion and I oppose its establishment. If that makes me a libertarian, so be it.

There is another consideration, which is that most of us on these threads are interpreting this election fiasco that we just experienced as a class issue, the 47% who are riding free. There is truth to this but there is also another perspective of this election which we must not forget: race overlays the class issue and it is not clear that any concessions to socialism will wean African-Americans or even Hispanics away from the Democrat party. In other words, in aint class, it is race. We do not have data to tell us what happened so we are all free to be geniuses. I am saying that it is now the job of competent mechanics, experts like Michael Barone who, despite his wildly false prediction of the election outcome nevertheless retains the respect of most of us. We need experts like this to tell us exactly what happened in this election. Then we must go about fixing it. Until we have the actual data we are just blowing smoke.


26 posted on 12/04/2012 3:32:06 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

Absolutely agree to every single point. God knows we have lost this war. We have. We have ceded the nation. BUT, as long as we have breath and we repent of our own grave negligence, we claw back as we are able to mount a new effort and must pray for God to send us either Christ Jesus Himself, or He annoint and appoint for us an earthly leader to assist us. Without our Lord at the front of our Christian brothers & sisters, we shall all be martyrs before long.

These are very dangerous people drunk on money and power who are ruthless because they are Godless.

Let us make a pact to try and pray accordingly. God be with you.


27 posted on 12/04/2012 2:51:05 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK
Pretty testeronic talk for a liberal Republican Establishment type guy.

Where was this fine mouthpiece when we had conservatives on the rack during the primary? He was off supporting Romney who never convinced anyone of anything, because he had no core on anything.

What is Lindsey up to? He pops up like quarterly taxes. I prefer a conservative emerging as our leader, but not the McCain, Graham, Ayotte trio trying to shape things with pals across the aisle.

He's hoping to avoid a primary opponent in 2014. It remains to be seen if South Carolina voters buy his new act.

He's going to sound more and more conservative as time goes by. So long as he and McCain don't elope, he may pull it off.

28 posted on 12/04/2012 2:55:04 PM PST by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: nathanbedford

Btw, not to say that we lead with social issues in this evil era, but God will veil us and make us attractive, unassuming in our pursuits, cunning, as a serpent. Apostle Paul said he all became all things to all manner of men in the doing the work of the Lord. This favor only comes with faith and humility of God.


29 posted on 12/04/2012 2:58:37 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: Tau Food

I appreciate your insight and believe the same. It is treachery and the word must get out in SC. We must pray and work for good men, and women, to be raised up to run and that the wicked Graham be exposed for the actor, the ruse and manipulater he is.

Thanks, Rita


30 posted on 12/04/2012 3:04:38 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: RitaOK

Amen


31 posted on 12/05/2012 1:43:23 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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