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NSA Whistleblower: Everyone in US under virtual surveillance, all info stored, no matter the post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuET0kpHoyM ^

Posted on 12/02/2012 1:42:05 PM PST by Orange1998

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuET0kpHoyM


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 666; bigbrother; echelon; emails; nsa; projectechelon
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Basically every email is collected for later use. No wonder Bill Clinton boast he only sent two email as President.
1 posted on 12/02/2012 1:42:12 PM PST by Orange1998
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To: Orange1998
Well then.....Uncle Sugar Sux!!

Store that one.

2 posted on 12/02/2012 1:44:58 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: servantboy777

Our Government has long been showing signs of a paranoia. Our Government needs to be confined for it’s own safety and the safety of others.

Our Government is absolutely insane.


3 posted on 12/02/2012 1:46:28 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Orange1998

To some, Geroge Orwell’s “1984” wasn’t a cautionary tale, but a handbook.


4 posted on 12/02/2012 1:48:44 PM PST by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free.....)
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To: Orange1998

Not for nuthin. As much as I loathe the Kenyan regime...

...Bush and his buds signed off on lots of this crud.


5 posted on 12/02/2012 1:49:34 PM PST by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Orange1998

Obama is the worst president in the history of the USA. He needs to resign. Wished I could say more.


6 posted on 12/02/2012 1:50:59 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Orange1998
Etc.

NSA Whistleblower Details How The NSA Has Spied On All US Citizens Since 9/11

Whistleblower: NSA is watching all of us

National Security Agency whistle blower (4 videos)

7 posted on 12/02/2012 1:51:20 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: BCR #226
Our Government has long been showing signs of a paranoia.

It isn't really insane. In fact, it is almost perfectly rational. No matter how nobly its founding principles, every government (every bureaucracy, for that matter) at some point becomes motivated solely for its own continued survival. It is not bound by the principles of liberty, freedom, equality, etc. etc. etc. It is bound only to self-perpetuate.

8 posted on 12/02/2012 1:52:17 PM PST by newheart (The greatest trick the left ever pulled was convincing the world it was not a religion.)
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To: Orange1998

can you say OVERWHELM the system?


9 posted on 12/02/2012 1:56:08 PM PST by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Orange1998
FR progress. A few years ago, guys like this were called traitors on here. Maybe Obama is good for something.

Shep Smith had a good one the other day. “Why aren't the people worried that we will become another Greece worried that we're becoming another East Germany?”

10 posted on 12/02/2012 1:56:08 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Orange1998

I believe that the government collects every email written. Here’s why.

The government consists of bureaucrats who are constantly looking for a reason to maintain their little kingdoms inside the divisions and departments of the state. Collecting every email sounds like the sort of ditch digging make-work that the state used to do with an updated technological twist. It sounds more impressive than it is, in other words. I would imagine that there are trillions, maybe more, of emails sitting in some computer somewhere. How does the state sift out what it needs from that? And those who are actually involved in some kind of nefarious activity aren’t going to put in their address line, “Cocaine shipment at the docks with tonight’s freighter.” How does the state sift through code words, idiom, nuance, and hint that people use to communicate?

So it sounds like government appropriations in a supersized effort to look like something important is happening, when actually it’s a huge cluster chasing stupidity with money down the toilet. In that way it makes sense.

And if really bad guys wanted to get around this, they’d write notes on paper.

Like Clinton did, no doubt.


11 posted on 12/02/2012 1:57:30 PM PST by redpoll
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To: Orange1998
Tor and GPG.
12 posted on 12/02/2012 1:59:56 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: BCR #226

Not only insane, too expensive, too intrusive, too controlling, too big.


13 posted on 12/02/2012 2:03:14 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Orange1998

Now you know why the General and his cupcake used the “Draft” cutout and never sent emails to each other.


14 posted on 12/02/2012 2:03:14 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Orange1998

The combination of voyeurism and the obsessive compulsion to collect the personal information of everyone at all times indicates two things.

1) Extreme boredom. There is not enough of a real threat to keep them occupied, so they deal in imaginary threats, then theoretical threats, then just voluminous mountains of utterly useless data. Why? Because it is there, and needs to be spied on.

2) Inefficiency. This indicts not just the intelligence community, but the entire government. They cannot deal with the major issues and real threats, so they focus on minutiae and data worth little more than randomly generated nonsense.

The East German Stasi was somewhat like this, keeping enormous dossiers on its citizens, filled with information like toilet paper consumption, routes to and from work, when they would eat lunch, etc. And even though they had coerced half the nation to inform on the other half, it still amounted to nothing.

The bottom line is that the United States 16 major intelligence agencies, its 100+ federal police agencies, and its other horribly bloated bureaucracy are unsustainable and need to be seriously pruned. Not just because they are overgrown and inefficient, but because the US needs some amount of what they are supposed to be doing, which they are not because they are messing around with trivia.


15 posted on 12/02/2012 2:05:06 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Pennies and Nickels will NO LONGER be Minted as of 1/1/13 - Tim Geithner, US Treasury Sect)
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To: redpoll

WIRED magazine months back had the cover story on the biggest NSA farm being built in the desert. Scary stuff. I found it hilarious that Google was ‘concerned’ about govt requests “90%” of the time when they are in cahoots directly with the NSA and even helped create that private airport for Google execs in Florida. That’s why i never subscribed to gmail or use Google docs.


16 posted on 12/02/2012 2:05:23 PM PST by max americana (Make the world a better place by punching a liberal in the face)
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To: Orange1998
If no-one noticed the host is with the channel RT, which is Russia Today. It seems to get the news, that the US refuses to report on, one has to go overseas. I first saw RT on Dish Network at work, and there is only 1 admitted liberal there, by a hardcore prepper.

News and they have some smoking hot hosts.

17 posted on 12/02/2012 2:07:27 PM PST by SledgeCS (Good Men Died. Obama Lied. Impeach the LYING COWARD!!!)
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To: Orange1998

You can be assurd, everybody on this website is under surveillance. We are enemies of the State; a terrorist group with a terrorist website.


18 posted on 12/02/2012 2:11:38 PM PST by Vinylly
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To: Vinylly

lol.

There are some real criminals they should be monitoring out there.


19 posted on 12/02/2012 2:14:34 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Dallas59

You, Sir, for saying what you just said, will soon have a knocking at your door some 2:AM mornining where you will be carried off in chains, never to be heard from ever again.


20 posted on 12/02/2012 2:16:12 PM PST by Vinylly
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To: Vinylly

Indeed. But then I am pretty sure the FBI/CIA doesn’t have a file on me. They likely have a file cabinet by now :-)


21 posted on 12/02/2012 2:16:43 PM PST by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: SF_Redux

It’s not like there are a bunch of bureaucrats having to shuffle through reams and reams of folders. I’ll bet some geek at a computer can retrieve and sort through everything they have about about someone in a matter of seconds. So what if you make it take a little longer.


22 posted on 12/02/2012 2:32:58 PM PST by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Orange1998

Anyone monitoring me would be bored out of their skulls.


23 posted on 12/02/2012 2:34:36 PM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink)
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To: wonkowasright

You snap a picture of some friends or family and the photo goes from your Iphone to the clould and NSA. NSA soft ware scans the faces, location and date time. The files identify all but the some kids..


24 posted on 12/02/2012 2:35:55 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Vinylly

My question - where are all the civil libertarians? When G.W. was in charge, we heard from them on a daily basis and/or reminded of the abuse of the Bush Administration regarding civil liberties.


25 posted on 12/02/2012 2:37:54 PM PST by Mr. Wright (NAACP)
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To: GeronL

Meet your friends face-to-face, at the pub or maybe the shooting range.

They can’t (yet) monitor face-to-face conversations.

Besides, they can only pick off the few, not the many. If they reach the point where they need more to monitor than there are discussing insurrection, then we’ve won, because the insurrectionists be in the majority!


26 posted on 12/02/2012 2:39:59 PM PST by DNME (America is at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system; too soon to shoot the bastards.)
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To: Orange1998

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/

2 Billion dollar data center that permanently records all
emails, text, twitter, cell phone calls, etc. and uses
massive algorithms that tie seemingly unrelated topics
into meaningful messages.


27 posted on 12/02/2012 2:43:52 PM PST by OregonRancher (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints)
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To: Orange1998

This started in the 1990s, but I don’t think PREZBILL was at fault, just a monster that was created and has grown. Every e-mail, phone call, transaction, everything is recorded by NSA.....no one is watching you unless a codeword is triggered....of course it could be political.....PREZBO is not doing this, he is just the recipient....


28 posted on 12/02/2012 2:46:20 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: DNME

bump


29 posted on 12/02/2012 2:47:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Mr. Wright
My question - where are all the civil libertarians?

This guy is a genuine liberal. His column in libertarian though, and is indispensable:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/series/glenn-greenwald-security-liberty

30 posted on 12/02/2012 2:47:27 PM PST by Forgotten Amendments (I remember when a President having an "enemies list" was a scandal. Now, they have a kill list.)
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To: Mr. Wright
They were purged. And, the 'libertarians' lost in the primary.

The WOT took shape. And, because a 'R' was in charge, people looked the other way.

31 posted on 12/02/2012 2:51:20 PM PST by Theoria (Romney is a Pyrrhic victory.)
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To: Orange1998

Store this ! Obummer is a freakin a$$hole !


33 posted on 12/02/2012 2:53:05 PM PST by Renegade
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To: Orange1998
all info stored, no matter the post. . . Basically every email is collected for later use.

This might have me very concerned. Then I reflect on the people collecting it. Will the Feds to be just as effective at using all this information as they are at running the U.S. Postal Service, Amtrak, and the State Department?

What was that expression: "He who knows everything, knows nothing."

34 posted on 12/02/2012 2:54:45 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: Orange1998

Well if they’re accessing these let me state that every democrat holding office in the country today is a bed-wetting nitwit with a mother fixation and graced with the brains God gave grapes. That goes for the moron-in-chief, his brain-damaged second in command and all the munchkins in congress. Every stinking male democrat in office is “equipped” shall we say like a salmon and every female, not that there’s much difference, is ugly enough to scare a blind dog of a meat truck.

Store that.


35 posted on 12/02/2012 2:58:19 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: Orange1998

It is very real

http://rt.com/news/utah-data-center-spy-789/

Send your complaints to ObamaSucks@WH.gov


36 posted on 12/02/2012 2:58:39 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?)
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To: Vinylly
You can be assurd, everybody on this website is under surveillance. We are enemies of the State; a terrorist group with a terrorist website.

I started fighting back 3 1/2 years ago. I attend all the local government meetings, write about them on my blog, and have become a real pain in the ass to bureaucrat types.

37 posted on 12/02/2012 2:59:22 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Renegade

It’s good to know that an archive of my witty and pithy
sayings will live down through the ages, to enlighten
and warn tyrants through all time.

Sic Semper Tyrannosouri !


38 posted on 12/02/2012 2:59:43 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: R. Scott
Anyone monitoring me would be bored out of their skulls.

Ha-ha! Absolutely, and applies to monitoring any of us. Civil servants are lazy and bored at doing real work. They are certainly not working quickly at monitoring anything from us peons, something they would quickly tire of. They are probably playing Solitaire while awaiting their next paycheck.

39 posted on 12/02/2012 3:00:40 PM PST by roadcat
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To: BCR #226

Calling the government insane is being totally unfair to those that are insane. We need another word. But, we cannot, as decent people, repeat it here.


40 posted on 12/02/2012 3:01:19 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: newheart

http://www.homelandsecurityus.com/archives/7178


41 posted on 12/02/2012 3:06:04 PM PST by yadent
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To: RetiredArmy

They can read my emails (although I do believe snail mail is still a nice way to send personal encouraging notes) and
ultimately my JOY is tied to JESUS, OTHERS, and Yourself statement of my beliefs... My salvation and grace lies in the saving grace and sacrifice of Jesus Christ the name which is ABOVE all names, the name at whom every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is Lord!


42 posted on 12/02/2012 3:06:25 PM PST by princess leah
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To: Orange1998

the political party also has a lot of information on everyone. It has admitted as much; the ground game and all that.
All information which could be politically abused by those in power. the party needs to be regulated with respect to this. A person should be able to know what information the party knows about them and be able to demand deletion of personal information.


43 posted on 12/02/2012 3:07:11 PM PST by The Free Engineer
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To: wxgesr

You can bet “freerepublic” is a triggering code word.


44 posted on 12/02/2012 3:08:45 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: princess leah

When we all get to Heaven, I am really going to enjoy that “every knee shall bow and every mouth will confess” deal. All those haters of all ages, having to fess up. Priceless.


45 posted on 12/02/2012 3:09:19 PM PST by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Orange1998

This is true.

FR goes down on key dates or gets slow as molasses, too.

‘Nuf said.


46 posted on 12/02/2012 3:10:56 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Dallas59

NOTICE To Dallas59

You have been counted.
You are Thought Criminal #23382407

Write down your number and report to the local Demokrat Party Kommissar at the nearest mass transit station.

Don’t forget to bring warm clothes and a shovel.


47 posted on 12/02/2012 3:14:47 PM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Vinylly

“John has a long mustache”


48 posted on 12/02/2012 3:15:04 PM PST by mdmathis6 ("Barry" Xmas to all and have a rapaciously taxable New Year!)
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To: bgill

Yep a code word.

Go to Google, search for:

bgill “freerepublic.com”

If you are like me, it will shock you with the number of hits returned.


49 posted on 12/02/2012 3:19:19 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Orange1998

Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826, 3rd POTUS, ) .Jefferson will always be celebrated for articulating the American national creed, the fundamental and universal principles of self-government that he set forth in the Declaration of Independence.

A few quotes:

Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.

To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association—the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.

I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. (Back then!)

Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.

God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure

He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.

To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.

It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parent’s refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father.

... and finally:

I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.


50 posted on 12/02/2012 3:24:49 PM PST by WVKayaker ("Hang in there, America. Fight for what is right." - Sarah Palin 11/7/12)
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