Skip to comments.NSA Whistleblower: Everyone in US under virtual surveillance, all info stored, no matter the post
Posted on 12/02/2012 1:42:05 PM PST by Orange1998
Store that one.
Our Government has long been showing signs of a paranoia. Our Government needs to be confined for it’s own safety and the safety of others.
Our Government is absolutely insane.
To some, Geroge Orwell’s “1984” wasn’t a cautionary tale, but a handbook.
Not for nuthin. As much as I loathe the Kenyan regime...
...Bush and his buds signed off on lots of this crud.
Obama is the worst president in the history of the USA. He needs to resign. Wished I could say more.
It isn't really insane. In fact, it is almost perfectly rational. No matter how nobly its founding principles, every government (every bureaucracy, for that matter) at some point becomes motivated solely for its own continued survival. It is not bound by the principles of liberty, freedom, equality, etc. etc. etc. It is bound only to self-perpetuate.
can you say OVERWHELM the system?
Shep Smith had a good one the other day. “Why aren't the people worried that we will become another Greece worried that we're becoming another East Germany?”
I believe that the government collects every email written. Here’s why.
The government consists of bureaucrats who are constantly looking for a reason to maintain their little kingdoms inside the divisions and departments of the state. Collecting every email sounds like the sort of ditch digging make-work that the state used to do with an updated technological twist. It sounds more impressive than it is, in other words. I would imagine that there are trillions, maybe more, of emails sitting in some computer somewhere. How does the state sift out what it needs from that? And those who are actually involved in some kind of nefarious activity aren’t going to put in their address line, “Cocaine shipment at the docks with tonight’s freighter.” How does the state sift through code words, idiom, nuance, and hint that people use to communicate?
So it sounds like government appropriations in a supersized effort to look like something important is happening, when actually it’s a huge cluster chasing stupidity with money down the toilet. In that way it makes sense.
And if really bad guys wanted to get around this, they’d write notes on paper.
Like Clinton did, no doubt.
Not only insane, too expensive, too intrusive, too controlling, too big.
Now you know why the General and his cupcake used the “Draft” cutout and never sent emails to each other.
The combination of voyeurism and the obsessive compulsion to collect the personal information of everyone at all times indicates two things.
1) Extreme boredom. There is not enough of a real threat to keep them occupied, so they deal in imaginary threats, then theoretical threats, then just voluminous mountains of utterly useless data. Why? Because it is there, and needs to be spied on.
2) Inefficiency. This indicts not just the intelligence community, but the entire government. They cannot deal with the major issues and real threats, so they focus on minutiae and data worth little more than randomly generated nonsense.
The East German Stasi was somewhat like this, keeping enormous dossiers on its citizens, filled with information like toilet paper consumption, routes to and from work, when they would eat lunch, etc. And even though they had coerced half the nation to inform on the other half, it still amounted to nothing.
The bottom line is that the United States 16 major intelligence agencies, its 100+ federal police agencies, and its other horribly bloated bureaucracy are unsustainable and need to be seriously pruned. Not just because they are overgrown and inefficient, but because the US needs some amount of what they are supposed to be doing, which they are not because they are messing around with trivia.
WIRED magazine months back had the cover story on the biggest NSA farm being built in the desert. Scary stuff. I found it hilarious that Google was ‘concerned’ about govt requests “90%” of the time when they are in cahoots directly with the NSA and even helped create that private airport for Google execs in Florida. That’s why i never subscribed to gmail or use Google docs.
News and they have some smoking hot hosts.
You can be assurd, everybody on this website is under surveillance. We are enemies of the State; a terrorist group with a terrorist website.
There are some real criminals they should be monitoring out there.
You, Sir, for saying what you just said, will soon have a knocking at your door some 2:AM mornining where you will be carried off in chains, never to be heard from ever again.
Indeed. But then I am pretty sure the FBI/CIA doesn’t have a file on me. They likely have a file cabinet by now :-)
It’s not like there are a bunch of bureaucrats having to shuffle through reams and reams of folders. I’ll bet some geek at a computer can retrieve and sort through everything they have about about someone in a matter of seconds. So what if you make it take a little longer.
Anyone monitoring me would be bored out of their skulls.
You snap a picture of some friends or family and the photo goes from your Iphone to the clould and NSA. NSA soft ware scans the faces, location and date time. The files identify all but the some kids..
My question - where are all the civil libertarians? When G.W. was in charge, we heard from them on a daily basis and/or reminded of the abuse of the Bush Administration regarding civil liberties.
Meet your friends face-to-face, at the pub or maybe the shooting range.
They can’t (yet) monitor face-to-face conversations.
Besides, they can only pick off the few, not the many. If they reach the point where they need more to monitor than there are discussing insurrection, then we’ve won, because the insurrectionists be in the majority!
2 Billion dollar data center that permanently records all
emails, text, twitter, cell phone calls, etc. and uses
massive algorithms that tie seemingly unrelated topics
into meaningful messages.
This started in the 1990s, but I don’t think PREZBILL was at fault, just a monster that was created and has grown. Every e-mail, phone call, transaction, everything is recorded by NSA.....no one is watching you unless a codeword is triggered....of course it could be political.....PREZBO is not doing this, he is just the recipient....
This guy is a genuine liberal. His column in libertarian though, and is indispensable:
The WOT took shape. And, because a 'R' was in charge, people looked the other way.
Store this ! Obummer is a freakin a$$hole !
This might have me very concerned. Then I reflect on the people collecting it. Will the Feds to be just as effective at using all this information as they are at running the U.S. Postal Service, Amtrak, and the State Department?
What was that expression: "He who knows everything, knows nothing."
Well if they’re accessing these let me state that every democrat holding office in the country today is a bed-wetting nitwit with a mother fixation and graced with the brains God gave grapes. That goes for the moron-in-chief, his brain-damaged second in command and all the munchkins in congress. Every stinking male democrat in office is “equipped” shall we say like a salmon and every female, not that there’s much difference, is ugly enough to scare a blind dog of a meat truck.
It is very real
Send your complaints to ObamaSucks@WH.gov
I started fighting back 3 1/2 years ago. I attend all the local government meetings, write about them on my blog, and have become a real pain in the ass to bureaucrat types.
It’s good to know that an archive of my witty and pithy
sayings will live down through the ages, to enlighten
and warn tyrants through all time.
Sic Semper Tyrannosouri !
Ha-ha! Absolutely, and applies to monitoring any of us. Civil servants are lazy and bored at doing real work. They are certainly not working quickly at monitoring anything from us peons, something they would quickly tire of. They are probably playing Solitaire while awaiting their next paycheck.
Calling the government insane is being totally unfair to those that are insane. We need another word. But, we cannot, as decent people, repeat it here.
They can read my emails (although I do believe snail mail is still a nice way to send personal encouraging notes) and
ultimately my JOY is tied to JESUS, OTHERS, and Yourself statement of my beliefs... My salvation and grace lies in the saving grace and sacrifice of Jesus Christ the name which is ABOVE all names, the name at whom every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that He is Lord!
the political party also has a lot of information on everyone. It has admitted as much; the ground game and all that.
All information which could be politically abused by those in power. the party needs to be regulated with respect to this. A person should be able to know what information the party knows about them and be able to demand deletion of personal information.
You can bet “freerepublic” is a triggering code word.
When we all get to Heaven, I am really going to enjoy that “every knee shall bow and every mouth will confess” deal. All those haters of all ages, having to fess up. Priceless.
This is true.
FR goes down on key dates or gets slow as molasses, too.
NOTICE To Dallas59
You have been counted.
You are Thought Criminal #23382407
Write down your number and report to the local Demokrat Party Kommissar at the nearest mass transit station.
Dont forget to bring warm clothes and a shovel.
“John has a long mustache”
Yep a code word.
Go to Google, search for:
If you are like me, it will shock you with the number of hits returned.
Thomas Jefferson (17431826, 3rd POTUS, ) .Jefferson will always be celebrated for articulating the American national creed, the fundamental and universal principles of self-government that he set forth in the Declaration of Independence.
A few quotes:
Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.
To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of associationthe guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.
I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious. (Back then!)
Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want bread.
God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.... And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure
He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.
To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.
It is better to tolerate that rare instance of a parents refusing to let his child be educated, than to shock the common feelings by a forcible transportation and education of the infant against the will of his father.
... and finally:
I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just.