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New York fast food workers strike over low wages [want $15/hr]
guardian.co.uk ^ | Thursday 29 November 2012 19.32 EST | Gizelle Lugo

Posted on 12/01/2012 7:15:07 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

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1 posted on 12/01/2012 7:15:15 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin

They either don’t learn, or they want every business to collapse


2 posted on 12/01/2012 7:16:33 PM PST by Teacher317 ('Tis time to fear when tyrants seem to kiss.)
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They either don’t learn, or they want every business to collapse
3 posted on 12/01/2012 7:18:06 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

New York Communities for Change = ACORN

Nothing like a $10 or $15 Big Mac to spur business.


4 posted on 12/01/2012 7:20:56 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Why not just make min wage $1,000,000 per hour? Then we could all be millionaires!


5 posted on 12/01/2012 7:20:56 PM PST by BO Stinkss
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Enjoy the unemployment line....


6 posted on 12/01/2012 7:21:05 PM PST by freebilly
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Why not? It worked so well for Hostess’s employees.


7 posted on 12/01/2012 7:21:38 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

8 posted on 12/01/2012 7:21:38 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: DeaconBenjamin

So a Big Mac, fires and a drink will run what - $10?

Sounds the framework for the “Fast Food Workers Full Un-employment Act”


9 posted on 12/01/2012 7:23:34 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: DeaconBenjamin; All

They could move here to West Texas. Panda Express just opened up and is paying $12 for entry level jobs due to the oil boom.

Restaurants can’t keep people since they just go to the oil field.

Then again, they don’t want to have to do anything to better their situation even though that $12 will go much farther here.


10 posted on 12/01/2012 7:24:12 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Carve your name on hearts, not marble." - C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
"The strike, organised by pressure group New York Communities for Change (NYCC)..."

When I first read this, I thought it said New York Communists for Change.

11 posted on 12/01/2012 7:25:09 PM PST by Waryone
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Since Obama’s re-election all we see is employees striking ... what is this?
With millions unemployed or under-employed they are LUCKY to have a job ...do they not understand this?


12 posted on 12/01/2012 7:25:35 PM PST by softwarecreator
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To: Slings and Arrows

$15 an hour to watch a timer and ask “You want fries wit dat?”

They can be replaced by robots.


13 posted on 12/01/2012 7:26:45 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

These morons crack me up. McDonald’s jobs weren’t meant to be jobs that would support a family. They’re entry level jobs for kids. As you get used to the work environment and your skills/education increase, you leave jobs like this and take higher paying jobs.

If I were McDonalds and the staff voted to unionize, I’d just close the unit.

Then the unions can deal with the out of work former employees.


14 posted on 12/01/2012 7:27:29 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

Attempts have been made to sign them up to a petition demanding that workers be granted the freedom to join a union, and a raise the minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour.


$15 per hour? Why not $25 per hour? Screw that! Let’s go with $50 per hour!


15 posted on 12/01/2012 7:27:57 PM PST by Rides_A_Red_Horse (If there is a war on women, the Kennedys are the Spec Ops troops.)
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To: jonno

Here is your new replacement

16 posted on 12/01/2012 7:28:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Waryone

It did. You just have to read between the lines.


17 posted on 12/01/2012 7:28:52 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Waryone
Imagine McDonalds without dirty, ebonic speaking employees
18 posted on 12/01/2012 7:29:57 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Low-pay campaigners estimated in 2010 that an adult with one child living in the least expensive area of the city needs to make $21.85 an hour to be self-sufficient. It takes over $40,000 a year to be self-sufficient in the cheapest area of New York City? Get out of the city. That's what many companies are paying professionals per year.
19 posted on 12/01/2012 7:31:03 PM PST by mak5
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To: DeaconBenjamin

If any worker making $7 and change honestly and truly wanted to make $15 and change (or more), and happened to have more than 2 neurons in their brain, they’d figure out they needed to perform whatever they were currently assigned to beyond perfection and stand out such that they would be noticed for a promotion to supervisor, management, transfer to the central office and, then, beyond.


20 posted on 12/01/2012 7:32:14 PM PST by C210N (In favor of private rights and public happiness)
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To: DeaconBenjamin

People in Hell want Ice Water.

If you hate your job, go get a different job. If you touch a hot stove, you pull your hand away. You don’t stand there complaining about the pain.

Life sure is complicated when you’re stupid. It’s only complicated for the rest of us because stupid people get to Vote. November 6th turned theory into fact.


21 posted on 12/01/2012 7:32:31 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (As they say in China, erections have consequences...)
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To: Waryone

“The strike, organised by pressure group New York Communities for Change (NYCC)...”
When I first read this, I thought it said New York Communists for Change.
_________________________

That’s what I thought. LOL
That’s what it should be.


22 posted on 12/01/2012 7:32:45 PM PST by patriot08 (NATIVE TEXAN)
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To: Waryone

Actually it did...you just have to understand the code words. :-)


23 posted on 12/01/2012 7:33:26 PM PST by Conservative4Ever (I'm going Galt.)
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To: mak5

$21.85 an hour

That is more than I make currently. I live quite comfortably.


24 posted on 12/01/2012 7:44:19 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: DoughtyOne

“These morons crack me up. McDonald’s jobs weren’t meant to be jobs that would support a family. They’re entry level jobs for kids. As you get used to the work environment and your skills/education increase, you leave jobs like this and take higher paying jobs.”

What higher paying jobs would those be?
Manufacturing was dismantled and shipped to a location where labor can be had for pennies on the dollar or skilled tradesman jobs were overrun by illegal immigrants.


25 posted on 12/01/2012 7:45:52 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: jonno
So a Big Mac, fires and a drink will run what - $10?

That is what it'll run you in Europe.

My husband called me from Stockholm the other day. He had a Subway sub, bag of chips and a coke--$15

26 posted on 12/01/2012 7:46:53 PM PST by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: dynachrome

hang on... they claim $21.85 an hour (29 hours?) is the minimum needed to live in NYC and then demand $15 an hour?
...........

Their elevators don’t reach all the way to the top do they?


27 posted on 12/01/2012 7:47:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jonno
>"Big Mac, fires and a drink will run what - $10?

You're gonna bust a 10, and get very little back as it stands right now.

Double their wages, and they will double their prices.

28 posted on 12/01/2012 7:51:09 PM PST by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: snarkybob

BaraqaClaus will put a boot on the fast food chains throats, so that these folks can get the wages they’re asking for. More Social Justice.


29 posted on 12/01/2012 7:53:23 PM PST by Jane Long (Philippians 2:11)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
"Hundreds of fast food workers at New York City branches of McDonald's, Burger King and other big-name chains have staged a walk out in protest of low wages."

Walk off the job? I'd think they meant to quit and just fire 'em! They might think $8.90/hr is low for a no-skill menial job, but $0 is even less.

30 posted on 12/01/2012 7:54:24 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: snarkybob

Even in the food industry, there are higher class places that pay more than McDonalds.

I once knew a waitress that waited tables at a budget restaurant chain. After she had been there for a few years, I suggested she could make more money by brushing up on her skills and applying at a higher class restaurant.

Why do the same amount of work, for tips based on $7.50 meals, when you could be getting tips on $27.50 to $150.00 dollar meals?

I am sympathetic to your argument, because outsourcing is something I’ve been against for the last twenty years.

People need only take a look at our work environment these days, to see what outsourcing has accomplished.

I consider it downright evil.


31 posted on 12/01/2012 7:54:42 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: DoughtyOne

“I consider it downright evil.”

It’s just greed. IMHO that’s what the slave wage pay at a fast food place is as well.
I read this thread and saw the contempt for people struggling to get by.

This is the same forum that regularly bashes welfare recipients and yet here’s a group of people working an honest job for a Corp that is worth who knows how much and it’s somehow offensive that the workers try to get more money.

I hate to say it but the attitude of some of the conservatives here toward struggling workers may be why we’re losing everywhere.


32 posted on 12/01/2012 8:03:20 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: DoughtyOne

A robot won’t spit in your food either


33 posted on 12/01/2012 8:04:59 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BO Stinkss

Careful, Ben Bernanke might hear you.


34 posted on 12/01/2012 8:06:56 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin (A trillion here, a trillion there, soon you're NOT talking real money)
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To: GeronL

Or take a whiz in the secret sauce.


35 posted on 12/01/2012 8:07:33 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: Waryone

“When I first read this, I thought it said New York Communists for Change.”

Dude, it does say that, they’ve just wiggled it around a little bit.

These jobs were never intended to be careers, it’s too bad these people were so ill served by the union teachers who taught them that Mickey Ds is the best they can do, job wise.

I said something anti-union at work the other day, I’ve been having a bad month since Sandy and it just popped out of my mouth. To my amazement the 2 gals I said it too agree with me, strongly. One is pretty libertarian and generally aware an involved, but I’m sure the other is a big lib. But they both had NO USE for unions.

I can see unions for cops, firemen, maybe coal miners and others working risky, life-on-the-line jobs, nobody else.


36 posted on 12/01/2012 8:07:49 PM PST by jocon307
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To: Waryone
When I first read this, I thought it said New York Communists for Change.

I'm sure you're not far off.
37 posted on 12/01/2012 8:08:36 PM PST by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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To: snarkybob

I’m a small remodeling contractor, and there are few young, hardworking English speaking Americans who are willing to work hard in the trades. They want to make $25 an hour for standing around. There is always a large group of Hispanic guys in the Home Depot parking lot who will work cheap. I refuse to hire them because I refuse to hire illegals, and I would never bring someone who I don’t know to a customer’s home. For the most part, I work by myself, taking and pricing jobs accordingly. Hispanic labor has driven labor rates down.


38 posted on 12/01/2012 8:12:28 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: rwfromkansas

Where in west Texas? hadn’t heard that story.


39 posted on 12/01/2012 8:14:04 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Kickass Conservative

I hate to say this, but it is not all stupidity, some of it is LAZINESS and it infests even those with high IQs.


40 posted on 12/01/2012 8:16:31 PM PST by jocon307
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Robot learns to flip pancakes

High Speed Pancake stacking with Flexpicker Robots

41 posted on 12/01/2012 8:17:38 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: DoughtyOne

true, but if it were just leaking oil into the... oil... who would notice?

:p


42 posted on 12/01/2012 8:25:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Freestate316

“I’m a small remodeling contractor, and there are few young, hardworking English speaking Americans who are willing to work hard in the trades. They want to make $25 an hour for standing around. There is always a large group of Hispanic guys in the Home Depot parking lot who will work cheap. I refuse to hire them because I refuse to hire illegals, and I would never bring someone who I don’t know to a customer’s home. For the most part, I work by myself, taking and pricing jobs accordingly. Hispanic labor has driven labor rates down.”

I live in Texas and until a few years ago I worked as a cabinet maker. Not a serviceman or one of the guys on a production line putting tenon A into mortise B, but a cabinet maker and woodworker who knew the tools and the materials and how to read a blueprint and all the things associated with woodworking and cabinetry.

I gave it up because the wages were actually falling and this was still in the building boom when I was repeatedly told that I should be happy with $10.50 an hour and that the contractors had to hire armies of illegals to keep their prices low, even tho I never saw the price of anything go anywhere but through the roof.

I remember one job interview where the shop forman was up against a really bad deadline. He told me that he had 15 employees, who BTW were all illegals, but not single one of them had skills.
I told him I was interested and I had been making $15 an hour but was willing to start at $12 an hour.
He told me he could start me at $8.50 an hour with an option for a .50 cent an hour raise after 6 months. Then he said that was still a dollar an hour better than flipping burgers.
I agreed it was a dollar an hour better than a burger flipper made and then suggested he go hire a burger flipper.
He was actually kind of POd that I didn’t take the job.

I’ve certainly seen my share of unmotivated workers, but I’ve seen just that many who did want to learn it and get it right.


43 posted on 12/01/2012 8:35:07 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: snarkybob

I don’t think the majority here are against any one trying to make more money as an individual. It’s the “collective” that would rather put a company out of business (Hostess) than take less and save your own job. Even McDonald’s would pay more for experienced hard working people, but our society is crippled. Too many waiting in line for even lousy paying jobs.


44 posted on 12/01/2012 8:42:16 PM PST by pnut22
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To: snarkybob

I make 11k a year and I live just fine. :)

They want to make more money, they need to get a different job.


45 posted on 12/01/2012 8:48:58 PM PST by JCBreckenridge (They may take our lives... but they'll never take our FREEDOM!)
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To: snarkybob

If I really need help, I can call two guys I used to work for. They are expensive, but are highly skilled. I cant afford to teach someone. I hang cabinets, frame,build decks,and do crown moulding by myself.


46 posted on 12/01/2012 8:52:11 PM PST by Freestate316 (Know what you believe and why you believe it.)
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To: snarkybob
I consider it (oursourcing) downright evil.

It’s just greed.  It goes way beyond that, but that is part of it.

IMHO that’s what the slave wage pay at a fast food place is as well.

I know that some people look at it that way, and I can even understand why they do.  At the end of the day though, there are a lot of reasons why the pay scale is what it is.  It's not slave wages, nor is it the least bit unfair.

Slaves are owned.  They are forced to work for free.  They get room and board.  They are fed.  They are clothed.  End of story.  Referencing wages paid at McDonalds, as slave wages is so incredibly dismissive of what slavery was/is, that it's beneath you to make that reference.

1. People don't have to work at McDonalds.  They choose to.
2. McDonalds is in business to make money, but in order to make money they have to fill a nitch market that only supports minimalist wages.
3. People don't live on McDonald's food.  They go there once in a while as a treat.  They don't have to.  There are a number of issues they consider, when they decide to eat there or not.
4. McDonalds is a cheap place to go out for food.  Driving up costs hurts people who don't have enough money to go to a higher class sit-down restaurant.
5. Increase the cost of a meal at a McDonalds actually hurts low income people.  You'll price them out of the market base, if you aren't careful.
6. What happens if the cost of a McDonald's meal goes up from $7.50 to $15.00?  Will McDonalds sell as many meals?  Will it need as many employees?  Will it maintain as many units?
7. Will low income people have as many choices, if fast food reaturants raise prices and or shut down?
8. Will low income people be able to eat out as often, if McDonald's increases it's prices?
9. Sure McDonald's can pay people more.  There are some important reasons why they don't.
10. What makes you think McDonald's makes more money if it pays employees less money?  Can't McDonald's keep it's profit margin the same, just raise prices?  The answer is yes, it can.  The down side is, there will be half as many customers.  They will be half as many employees.  There will be half as many McDonald's around.  There will be half as many choices for people who frequent McDonald's.

What was that about 'slave-wages'?


I read this thread and saw the contempt for people struggling to get by.

Oh for heaven's sake...  I worked at a McDonalds and a Jack-in-the-Box for several years when I was in high school.  My skill set was non-existant.  My work ethic was not stellar.  I got paid what I was worth.  It was $1.35 an hour.  As a freshman in high school, I earned $0.49 cents an hour at a boarding school working in the kitchen.  Big freakin deal.  It was either that or raise tuition.

Do you have any idea at all where this 'labor rally' is headed, what their goals are?  What do you think, they're going to increase pay a few bucks and hour and call it a day?  No!  They'll force fast food restaurants to pay $15 to $20 dollars an hour.  They force all sorts of employee benefits.  They'll force employers to hire people, employ them, and keep them on when they aren't worth crap.  And then you get to retirements, employee health insurance, months off for vacation..., it never ends.

Contempt for people?  I have contempt for unions.  They are not there to help people.  They are there to F with capitalists business establishments, bamboozle workers into signing up as union members, and using thier dues to support more Al Gores, John Kerry's, Barack Obamas, and worse.

They don't give a flying fig about the employees.  Look at the employees who worked for Hostess.  They're gone.  The union still exists.  Look at the union support for illegal immigrants rights, flying in the face of the fact that those illegal are taking jobs that used to be unionized.  Why are you sympathizing with these enemies of our Republic?    


This is the same forum that regularly bashes welfare recipients and yet here’s a group of people working an honest job for a Corp that is worth who knows how much and it’s somehow offensive that the workers try to get more money.

Wow, have you ever had a quadruple helping of the Leftist swill.  Are you reading that, or do you know it so well by heart, you just rattle it off on your own now?

BTW: I don't think anyone here is adverse to helping someone down on their luck.  We are loath to support a family for generations who members never go out and work.  This nation is paying out over $1 trillion dollars a year right now for Welfare.  That doesn't even count unemployment insurance and other freebies.  Bashing some of that?  You bet your ass!

I hate to say it but the attitude of some of the conservatives here toward struggling workers may be why we’re losing everywhere.


Well, you know, I am having to struggle against my natural Conservative instincts here, but you really are somewhat lost in space.  The emphasis in our nation is on free enterprise.  It's not on creating the next 'workers paradise'.

People can choose where they work.  They can either take the job or not.  They can come up with their own business.  My hope is, that if they do, they don't have to jump through the hoops you and the 'workers paradise' ass-hat clowns will set up for them.

With all due respect, what you think you want, will actually hurt the people you profess to have sympathy for, and want to help.

You're going down the wrong road.

47 posted on 12/01/2012 9:05:41 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Hurricane Sandy..., a week later and over 60 million Americans still didn't have power.)
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To: pnut22

“I don’t think the majority here are against any one trying to make more money as an individual. It’s the “collective” that would rather put a company out of business (Hostess) than take less and save your own job. Even McDonald’s would pay more for experienced hard working people, but our society is crippled. Too many waiting in line for even lousy paying jobs.”

I don’t know. There were some pretty acid tinged posts about these particular workers.

Not arguing for a union but I am wondering. Outside of collective bargaining how do laborers best sell their labor.
I’m much to old believe that any major corp or really large company pays one penny more than they absolutely have to.

I’ve worked for smaller companies that based pay on merit and the better you got at your job the more you got paid. Yet I somehow don’t think that principle really applies to Micky Ds counterhelp.

So why exactly don’t these low skilled workers deserve to be paid up to just below the poverty level.
It’s not like Micky Ds isn’t doing the volume to pay for it.

The really unsettling part was the derision of the posters toward a group of people who are actually trying to make a living working. Would it be better if they quit and went all out on the public dole?

I thought labor was a legitimate business expense. If a company can only remain in business by having their employees live under the poverty line, then maybe they shouldn’t be in business.


48 posted on 12/01/2012 9:05:55 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: GeronL

They will, too.


49 posted on 12/01/2012 9:10:30 PM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have IngSoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: JCBreckenridge

“I make 11k a year and I live just fine. :)
They want to make more money, they need to get a different job.”

I’m glad you’re able to live well on less. I’m in that same boat now as well. Unfortunately not everybody has the same options or the same opportunities.

I’d rather see these guys get their raise than move to where I live.


50 posted on 12/01/2012 9:11:44 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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