Posted on 11/30/2012 1:50:01 AM PST by GVnana
CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: It's not just a bad deal, this is really an insulting deal. What Geithner offered, what you showed on the screen, Robert E. Lee was offered easier terms at Appomattox, and he lost the Civil War. The Democrats won by 3% of the vote and they did not hold the House, Republicans won the house. So this is not exactly unconditional surrender, but that is what the administration is asking of the Republicans.
This idea -- there are not only no cuts in this, there's an increase in spending with a new stimulus. I mean, this is almost unheard of. What do they expect? They obviously expect the Republicans will cave on everything. I think the Republicans ought to simply walk away. The president is the president. He's the leader. They are demanding that the Republicans explain all the cuts that they want to make.
We had that movie a year-and-a-half ago where Paul Ryan presented a budget, a serious real budget with real cuts. Obama was supposed to gave speech where he would respond with a counter offer. And what did he do? He gave a speech where he had Ryan sitting in the front row. He called the Ryan proposal un-American, insulted him, offered nothing, and ran on Mediscare in the next 18 months.
And they expect the Republicans are going to do this again?
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I think the public deserves to hear everything out in the open. If city and county governments operate under the ‘sunshine law’....I think these folks ought to operate under the same standard. If the public understood what was going on....they’d start laughing just like McConnell.
It is very clear who refuses to bring executive branch spending into line with the revenue the IRS takes in. It is Obama who refuses to play ball. The Speaker better start telling that VERY LOUDLY to the voters. If the so-called press won’t carry it, buy time on TV to address the public. Do something to get Republicans out of the line of fire.
BOEHNER: Last year, the President offered spending cuts in exchange for revenue. We in the House agreed. This year, I don't know who I am negotiating with. This isn't President Obama. President Obama wants a long-term solution to our fiscal crisis and campaigned on reducing the deficit. The man I have been negotiating with wants spending increases and to double the deficit....
...take Obama's stump speech after he blew the first debate, do a little word substitution and throw it back out.
I would not cover for them. They are partly to blame.. They either have to stop doing secret deals or show the public what deals they've already made w/the dems. No one knows for sure, what they have done behind closed doors. Newt gave the advice but we don't know what they have done. (What's with Charles-one day, it's this way, now this)
Contacted the offices of my Reps and Sens and told them to walk away from any plan with tax increases, to let the 1.2 trillion in cuts kick in.
all of them are acting so immature. It is not about them, Charles nor saving their careers. Stop being their cheerleader because you act like it's all the dems. The repubs are spending, too!!! and could have made deals behind doors. I agree with Newt and Rush.
I believe it was Sun Tzu who said, "Know your enemy". The Democrats have got the Republicans figured out pretty well.
I think the plan is to go over the fiscal cliff, blame the Republicans for a few months, then watch the Republicans cave in to tons of middle class taxes marketed as “taxes on the rich”.
I do believe the house, independent of any other branch of government, has the ability to SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT.
As I see it, that is the only course that remains. The cost would be great in the sense of who might take over in the next election, but that seems to be the goal of everyone on the left anyway. Shock and Awe is the only course remaining where someone is actually in control of spending before the real fiscal cliff is reached, total collapse.
That would mean some serious financial negotiation on a daily basis, on what goes out of the treasury, and they could then perhaps make the case that we are broke!
The so called budget that does not exist would also become apparent and whose fault that was.
Everyone in the country would be impacted, including the President and that is hugely important, and if they were doing it right, there would be an immediate fifty percent CUT in every expenditure.
That particular cut would equal a balanced budget with money left over. The house would have to make sure the public was aware of their past bungling of their duties, and that they regretted having to take control of spending, but in the name of the flag of the United States of America, the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all, it had to be done.
Get on with it, the sooner the better.
I am not wise enough or clairvoyant enough to know the financial risk relative to a depression, but think short term depression would be far better than long term collapse.
I do not like the alternative of giving in, giving up, or giving the President everything he wants at the expense of the American people and those in our past who have bought this Republic with their life’s blood.
The Republicans have absolutely nothing to gain by playing along with the Democrats. If anything were to go wrong, they will be blamed. The MSM will always spin everything to be the fault of the Republicans. A majority of Americans will believe anything they are fed by the MSM.
I’ve said it before, and will say it again, bankrupting the US will be the best thing that will ever happen to this country. It will be the only way to force the Liberals to stop spending money they don’t have. The Liberals cannot be trusted. The will demand increased taxes not, for promised spending cuts in 10 years (which will never come). In the meantime, the spending will increase at twice the rate of the forecasted increase in tax revenue.
If an economic collapse were to come, the parasite class will be hardest hit. Those with ambition will struggle, but will survive.
It is better to have a collapse and get it over with and begin to rebuilt. By prolonging and delaying the inevitable, the outcome will only be more unnecessary suffering.
Here’s an idea: refuse to raise the debt ceiling and let Obama deal with the consquences for the next two years. In effect, take away the keys to the car.
1. Put a radical cut bill with no tax increases and massive cuts through the House.
2. When the Senate compromise comes back to the House loaded up with all taxes and NO CUTS, every Republican vote "present" and put it all on the Democrats and and president.
I think you are 100% right. Its time we tried going nuclear.
100% not fund everything that has to do with Obamacare. Let’s see if this Obamacare repeal was all political posturing or they have a spine and really mean what they say.
Krauthammer must have liste4ned to RUSH yesterday.
Pass the partial extension of the tax cuts through the House to disarm Obama and Dems of that club, then get on TV and make sure voters know you are not for raising taxes on the middle class.
Then you can walk away from Obama’s?Geitners list of demands.
Alternatively play the same strategy as a year ago (on FICA) and the outcome will be the same.
And create a video commercial of all the Dems who have been lining up calling to go over the cliff to use as a club to beat Dems with next January when the heat really goes up.
Summary : Fight like Dems, meaning fight like winners for a change,.
It’s interesting that Obama chided the Republicans early on that they better not listen to Rush. - He’s sort of like B’rer Rabbit and the Briar Patch; with Obama being B’rer Rabbit and the Briar Patch being Rush. - Rush makes more common sense than most I hear.
If Obama is going on VACATION, then he’s ABDICATING his responsibility.
Boehner simply announces:
“We’re NOT going to sit here and negotiate with ourselves!”
The Congress has repeatedly submitted budgets, while the President has done NOTHING to present a budget that has ANY support in a Democrat lead Senate!”
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