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British engineer hacked to death on his South African farm
The Telegraph, UK ^ | 26 Nov 2012 | Dan Newling

Posted on 11/26/2012 8:49:08 PM PST by jonatron

A British engineer who moved to South Africa after "falling in love with the country" has been brutally murdered on his remote farmstead.

Mr Preece's daughter-in-law has told how a gang of three robbers poisoned the couple's large pack of guard dogs before breaking into the house.

Since the country's first fully democratic elections in 1994, more than 3,000 white, mainly Afrikaans, farmers have been killed in their homes.

The so-called "farm attacks" are part of the wave of criminality that has engulfed the country in recent years, something criminologists blame of a number of factors...

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 11/26/2012 8:49:24 PM PST by jonatron
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To: jonatron
something criminologists blame of a number of factors...

I'm guessing the list doesn't include the murderers.

/johnny

2 posted on 11/26/2012 8:50:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: jonatron

What kind of idiot thinks he should go and stay in a country like that??


3 posted on 11/26/2012 8:53:06 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Savages.


4 posted on 11/26/2012 8:54:59 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: GeronL

In four years this place may not look any better.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 8:56:20 PM PST by null and void (The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.)
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To: jonatron

Mandela in South Africa led to this genocide of whites in South Africa.

I see the U.S.A going in the same path now. Do any of you if you look at the history of marxist Mandela? Any of you think this will happen in the U.S.A?


6 posted on 11/26/2012 8:58:17 PM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: jonatron

Well, we all know it can’t be racism. Racism only happens when whites are doing bad things.

We sanctioned South Africa when this kind of thing was done to the black population, but now that it’s white people dying, we turn away. Where are you, Hillary? Will you say anything about the government sponsored terror being perpetrated in South Africa? Maybe it was a Youtube video again.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 9:02:43 PM PST by Viennacon
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To: jonatron; All

It is obvious that there is a lot of Black Racism against Whites in South Africa...the media needs to admit it and report it.

They sure would not hesitate calling it “racism” if it were Whites killing Blacks


8 posted on 11/26/2012 9:03:51 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (Marco Rubio is not a Conservative. "Amnesty Liberals" are never Conservative)
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To: rurgan; jonatron
Mandela in South Africa led to this genocide of whites in South Africa.

I see the U.S.A going in the same path now. Do any of you if you look at the history of marxist Mandela? Any of you think this will happen in the U.S.A?

Oakland, CA renamed the ROW of the earthquake-destroyed branch of West Oakland's Nimitz Freeway "Mandela Parkway."

9 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:17 PM PST by thecodont
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To: All
“academics also blame a breakdown in the traditional social contract between employer and employee.”

Yes, well of course - this always gives us the excuse to murder. Thank you, academia for yet again coming up with an excuse for a person of dark skin killing a person of a lighter skin.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 9:06:59 PM PST by warsaw44
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To: null and void

I’d say that could really happen


11 posted on 11/26/2012 9:10:44 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: rurgan

“Any of you think this will happen in the U.S.A?”

An interesting question.

Given that majorities have regularly killed off minorities throughout history, one could surmise that American Blacks are violating the first rule of Genocide 101, specifically, make sure you are in the majority rather than the minority group.

More specifically, do I think a race war is possible in America - more probable by fat than I would have ever imagined. Too many race card players, from the Jacksons and Sharptons to Obama - all have made America aware than an entitlement mentality is all too common amongst American Blacks.

Like Muslims, keep on trying to goad America into playing Cowboys & Muslims, so too do the American Black race hustlers appear to be trying to start the game of Cowboys and Negros.

I do hope I am wrong, but ......


12 posted on 11/26/2012 9:11:45 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GladesGuru

Well, if it happened any time soon.... we might be able to barricade cities and let them starve.

That might cut down on the crime rate too


13 posted on 11/26/2012 9:13:20 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: jonatron
Since the country's first fully democratic elections in 1994, more than 3,000 white, mainly Afrikaans, farmers have been killed in their homes.

Genocide Watch - 12 July 2012 "Over 3000 white farmers have been murdered since 1994." Furthermore.. "The South African police have not made investigation and prosecution of these farm murders a priority, dismissing them as crimes by common criminals."

Kind of like a really serious version of the "knockout games" here. I've read that some whites believe that when Mandela dies it will be open season on all whites in SA.

14 posted on 11/26/2012 9:16:23 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

From what I’ve read, it isn’t whites alone who are targeted, but also coloured and Asian people, too.

The communists of the ANC (African National Congress) are verging on beserk. and whites/coloured/Asians should leave ASAP.

Let the blacks kill each other, and no one else.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 9:28:54 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: GeronL

many, many white south africans are leaving and not looking back.


16 posted on 11/26/2012 9:31:25 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: rurgan

it is right now. these knockout games and flash mobs are the tip of it.


17 posted on 11/26/2012 9:32:17 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: GeronL

Answer: A liberal idiot, of course.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 9:42:31 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: jonatron

These thugs learned their craft from American thug cops. To gain access to the house, kill the dogs FIRST. Why anyone would ‘fall in love’ with the prospects of getting hacked to death is beyond me. On the other hand, this portends of things to come in Amerika under 0bama. When blacks vote for a president presiding over 15% black unemployment — LOOK OUT.


19 posted on 11/26/2012 9:45:19 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: rurgan
I believe that the immigration policy of the last forty years, coupled with the incessant hate whitey campaign is a coordinated plan by the marxists to make us a minority within our own country. The marxist love their genocides. We are seeing it attempts at this in events such as the Trayvon Martin incident. The marxist media always try to downplay violence against whites but they love to incite rage among blacks by focusing on any rare alleged incidents of violence against blacks by whites (or hispanic/whites),

Remember the Los Angeles riots? The media kept poking at the Rodney King story for months until they finally got what they wanted all along, a full fledged riot complete with people being dragged out of their cars and beaten senseless.

20 posted on 11/26/2012 9:49:38 PM PST by cradle of freedom (Long live the Republic !)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
More than 3000 white farmers have been murdered in their own homes since 1994.

That could be more than the number of people killed in the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland during "the troubles" and more than the number of Americans killed on 9/11.

Somehow the other stories got a lot more attention in the American media. How many MSM journalists would just shrug and say the Afrikaners deserve to die?

Alan Paton's famous novel Cry, the Beloved Country revolves around the murder of a well-meaning white liberal who is murdered in his own home by some black youths in the course of a robbery. Of course that is a novel but Paton was drawing from his personal knowledge of crime and criminals in South Africa.

21 posted on 11/26/2012 9:57:27 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: cradle of freedom

At least a lot more law abiding people walk around armed now then was the case even 15 years ago.


22 posted on 11/26/2012 10:03:38 PM PST by jospehm20
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To: jonatron
A British engineer who moved to South Africa after "falling in love with the country" has been brutally murdered on his remote farmstead.

Darwin award candidate, for sure.

23 posted on 11/26/2012 10:07:57 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: jonatron

From the article “Police research shows that the murders are normally carried out by drug-addicted, unemployed black men. “

Sounds Familiar!


24 posted on 11/26/2012 10:25:07 PM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Secret Agent Man

I’ve worked with close to 25 South African physical therapists over the years...well trained therapists by the way.
Not one of them (or their spouses or children) ever returned to SA to live. Some went off to the UK or Australia to live, but most stayed in the US and became US citizens.

It isn’t just the Afrikans not returning...it’s the Indians, Asians, Cape Coloreds, and others of mixed blood.
Of the ones I still keep in close contact with, they only return maybe once every 5-6 years because it has become too violent. They’ll tell you their homeland is close to becoming the next Zim


25 posted on 11/26/2012 10:37:53 PM PST by ebersole
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To: Lancey Howard

South Africa is stunningly beautiful - easy to see how an animal lover would want to settle there. Unfortunately, the black gangs are so bad now and getting worse - most of these persons are from central africa and not locals. I’ve been to SA on several trips and also have many South African friends here who have migrated since the end of apartheid. Except for the Hottentots, I am told that the blacks have been imported to South Africa from Voortracker times. They built a ‘rod’ for their own backs. Sound familiar???


26 posted on 11/26/2012 10:38:28 PM PST by csb
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To: jonatron

farmer to south africa: i love you
south africa to farmer: i hate you


27 posted on 11/26/2012 11:58:15 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: rurgan

I wonder about the depth of view of people who lionize Mandela, many doubtless in as much ignorance as this engineer who got hacked. This was no racial egalitarian. This was not South Africa’s Martin Luther King, Jr.


28 posted on 11/27/2012 12:01:30 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (How long before all this "fairness" kills everybody, even the poor it was supposed to help???)
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To: GeronL

You reflexively blamed the victim. Why did you do that?

Last week a man named John Mason was beaten to death by a pack of feral blacks. That was in Baltimore. The police are already trying to blame him for his own death - just like you are with Mr Preece.

Was John Mason an idiot for living in America?

Will you continue to cravenly blame the victims as the safe parts of America shrink, year by year? Or will you stand up and point at the people that kill them?

Murderous black mobs in both the US and South Africa have chosen to poison themselves with racial hatred. They are men. Blame them.


29 posted on 11/27/2012 12:57:06 AM PST by agere_contra ("An unjust law ceases to be a law: it becomes an act of violence". Thomas Aquinas)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I wonder about the depth of view of people who lionize Mandela”

MAndela was a criminal terrorist, but even he was pleading to stop whites from leaving after independence; he knew that without them, there would be no doctors, teachers, etc.. He knew he needed time for the whites to show the blacks how to run a country, but he couldn’t provide security to let it happen. If you see any of the footage of the cops in the townships (paired one white/one black) there is no doubt they tried (the black cops were probably more brutal than the white ones - their families had to live in closer proximity to the worst elements). In the end the whites had too much to lose (their lives, and those of their families) so they split.

Blacks have to sort out the future of blacks; whites can’t make them grow up.


30 posted on 11/27/2012 2:03:19 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: agere_contra

“Was John Mason an idiot for living in America?”

No, but the Red Hot Chili Peppers fan who was beaten in Newark NJ outside a concert was; he shouldn’t have believed the nonsense that NEwark is safe and blacks don’t hate whites with a passion. Being unfamiliar with the situation “on the ground” in Baltimore, I’ll reserve judgment on John Mason; I’ll tell you right now that any white person in Newark NJ after dark is an idiot (or looking for prostitutes or drugs).


31 posted on 11/27/2012 2:08:58 AM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic war against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: rurgan

Actually it is the other way. If whites representing 20 percent of the population at best did not colonize the country and treat the remaining 80 percent as second class citizens problems like this will not happen. Do the whites expect all the blacks in South Africa to just forget? This is why our founding fathers were wise about foreign entanglement. Colonizing other nations and treating its inhabitants as second citizens will have blowback. US had empire in late 19th Century (after our elites succumb to the European model of empire), Philippines, Cuba, Hawaii and PR. At least Cuba and Philippines was granted independence after WW2. Despite our short rule over them, we still incur some degree of resentment of our rule over them. Imagine the Europeans who held their colones for a century or more. Hawaii and PR assimilated into the US reasonably well but their are still some residue of blowback.


32 posted on 11/27/2012 2:23:42 AM PST by Fee
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To: agere_contra

There is a difference between the black anger in South Africa and US. In South Africa, a racial civil war just ended where the whites were trying to enforce segregation/colonialist social order thru force. The US ended state level segregation since the 1960’s, open opportunities and implemented Affirmative Action. Blacks in the US will be hard pressed to defend the mob behavior other then depravity and crime. Problem is US authority hesitates to crackdown when it is justified.
South Africa still needs to transition to peace just like the US did after the Civil War. They are not there yet.


33 posted on 11/27/2012 2:40:49 AM PST by Fee
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To: jonatron

Coming soon to America.


34 posted on 11/27/2012 3:12:29 AM PST by Iron Munro (Big Moo & Bronco 'Bama = Robbing From The Hood and Boy Blunder)
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To: Fee
Actually it is the other way. If whites representing 20 percent of the population at best did not colonize the country and treat the remaining 80 percent as second class citizens problems like this will not happen.

WTH are you talking about? When the Dutch started settling the south of Africa in the 17th century there was no one there! The first conflicts arose with the Xhosa people who migrated in from the north-east.

Blacks don't have any prior rights to South Africa.

35 posted on 11/27/2012 4:48:01 AM PST by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: Moltke

That is an ignorant statement. The Brits annexed the Dutch and most of South Africa and made it a colony of the Empire. Africans were not treated as equals under British rule and later South African rule. 20 percent tried to rule the remaining 80 percent. There are consequences for such an approach to governing.


36 posted on 11/27/2012 6:00:04 AM PST by Fee
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To: JRandomFreeper
I'm guessing the list doesn't include the murderers.,

Never blame the murderers - per Obama, such incidents are merely a "natural reaction" to some slight, real or imagined. It seems to be the prevalent line of thought these days.

37 posted on 11/27/2012 6:34:40 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: rurgan
big differences between the US and RSA -- we didn't have apartheid, no matter how much the left would like to say we did

Also, blacks are 11% of the population, not 80% as in RSA

it's not going to be the same

38 posted on 11/27/2012 6:38:52 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: Lancey Howard

not quite — South Africa has some of the most beautiful countryside you could imagine — as did Zimbabwe..


39 posted on 11/27/2012 6:43:02 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: csb
I am told that the blacks have been imported to South Africa

Not completely. North-Eastern SA has been 'black' -- well, Xhosa, from the 1500s or a little earlier. So this was just about the same time as the Dutch came in -- truly speaking both the 'blacks' and the dutch came around the same time, pushing the local San people..

40 posted on 11/27/2012 6:45:44 AM PST by Cronos (**Marriage is about commitment, cohabitation is about convenience.**)
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To: SeminoleCounty
It is obvious that there is a lot of Black Racism against Whites in South Africa...the media needs to admit it and report it. They sure would not hesitate calling it “racism” if it were Whites killing Blacks

The Leftist media is caught in a dilemma with respect to South Africa. For decades, they were preaching that racism must be defined as "Prejudice + Power". In other words, only those with power can be designated as racists, so blacks can't be racist because they have no power (never mind that a black mugger with a gun to your head has all the power in the world with respect to you).

This creates an issue when a country where blacks are in complete control of the power structure oppresses whites. By the Left's own preferred definition, these people are behaving in a racist manner towards whites. Therefore they pretend it doesn't exist.

41 posted on 11/27/2012 6:50:39 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: jonatron

Why would any white person in their right mind move to a predominantly black area? Recent history has shown the idiocy of that.

You never read about white mobs attacking black people (and trust me if it happened the media would be trumpeting it), yet we here of black mobs attacking whites all the time.

I’ve come to feel for most blacks* the same as I feel for most democrats. They choose to be that way, they can do without any help they’d get from me. Let them all starve for all I care.

(* please note that I do know that it is a cultural thing. Black kids raised in middle class white neighborhoods usually end up being just like us. Normal, good people. But blacks raised in the ghetto or in majority black neighborhoods almost always end up being thugs. The black culture is a mental illness passed from parent to child.)


42 posted on 11/27/2012 6:50:44 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: Fee
Actually it is the other way. If whites representing 20 percent of the population at best did not colonize the country and treat the remaining 80 percent as second class citizens problems like this will not happen. Do the whites expect all the blacks in South Africa to just forget? This is why our founding fathers were wise about foreign entanglement. Colonizing other nations and treating its inhabitants as second citizens will have blowback.

Or, if you are going to take over a territory, as the British colonists did to America, be sure to not leave alive too many of the original inhabitants.

It's not a "legacy of colonialism", or a "legacy of slavery". Black immigrants to the UK (where THEY are the "colonizers") have high crime rates there.

It will get sorted out eventually. Chinese firms are having an increasing presence in Africa. They need African minerals. They do not, however, need the Africans, and can be relied upon to protect their own people and investments, with little regard for world opinion.

43 posted on 11/27/2012 7:01:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: Cronos

Sorry but with immigration and welfare mothers having 5 kids black population is skyrocketing , at least 13% now not 11% anymore. Just wanted to get that out there as will try to find time to reply more later.White population now only about 60% , yeah they say 79% but they include Hispanics in that so ...


44 posted on 11/27/2012 7:41:15 AM PST by rurgan (give laws an expiration date:so the congress has to review every 4 years to see if needed)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Maybe another headlines would read:

"British engineer hacked to death on his South African farm, gives British farmers in South Africa a good reason for "right to carry" legislation review".

What are the chances we'e ever see that one?

45 posted on 11/27/2012 8:35:18 AM PST by China Clipper ( Animals? Sure I like animals. See? There they are, right next to the potatoes!)
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To: csb
South Africa is stunningly beautiful

I have been to four countries* in Africa, I love them all.
Good thing I have the common sense not to move there.

*Liberia
South Africa
Morocco
Swaziland

46 posted on 11/27/2012 9:34:19 AM PST by Gamecock (Bayonets, Benghazi, Balls, Binders, Big Bird, Birth Control, BS.....)
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To: Cronos

Yup.


47 posted on 11/27/2012 9:36:03 AM PST by Gamecock (Bayonets, Benghazi, Balls, Binders, Big Bird, Birth Control, BS.....)
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To: jonatron

I guess it will be a while before South Africa can compete with Switzerland in end-of-life suicide tourism.


48 posted on 11/27/2012 9:40:58 AM PST by x
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To: jonatron

coming to America


49 posted on 11/27/2012 9:41:15 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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To: GeronL
It's their home and they have been there as a presence since 1652

and the black government makes it nigh impossible to leave with assets in any sort of a hurry

i know quite a few here and they left with almost nothing

and the older ones simply refuse to go

it's black getback and eventual decline back to savagery

this is the way of the world...everywhere

the brown and black populations are on the move and ascendancy politically and will dominate the majority white nations in time

oddly enough the only survivors will likely be the old east bloc with Mother Russia as the remaining white motherland

sounds far fetched?

imagine how a free white Russia would prosper given her huge resources?

had she transformed from feudal to freedom instead of being hijacked by the usual suspects it might have been a different story there

folks here will laugh and call me racist

just wait...we are on the road to becoming Brasil

50 posted on 11/27/2012 9:48:58 AM PST by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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