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Wow! Rand Paul on On the Record with Greta-where was this message in the campaign?
Self-vanity

Posted on 11/26/2012 7:41:24 PM PST by mtrott

My goodness, I got a tingle up my leg just now, listening to Rand Paul vigorously advocate for cutting taxes to grow the economy at 4% or greater. And he also pushed back on the dem premise that only by raising taxes can we cut the deficit.

On the contrary, he strongly insisted that the Bush tax rates resulted in INCREASED revenues to the federal government for years. He also confirmed that he would not vote to raise ANY taxes, and did not buy into Greta's query about the whole idea of cutting deductions to raise revenue either.

This was so refreshing to hear, and actually renewed my hope that there was at least one right thinking person still in congress.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: paul; rand; randpaul; vanity

1 posted on 11/26/2012 7:41:28 PM PST by mtrott
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To: mtrott

Glad to hear it but hardly a new argument.


2 posted on 11/26/2012 7:48:08 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Andrei Bulba

Do we NEED a new argument? What would that argument be?


3 posted on 11/26/2012 7:52:35 PM PST by mtrott
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To: mtrott

what increased revenues is he talking about? tax revenue under Bush was far less than it was under Clinton. At it’s peak the tax revenues were around 18% uner Bush and around 20% under Clinton.

there was no increased revnue for years under the Bush taxes


4 posted on 11/26/2012 7:53:11 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: mtrott

His father ran on the same platform and was attacked endlessly on this site remember?

Ron and Rand Paul are as close to the founders as we will get.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 7:56:31 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: mtrott

Now that the election is over and there is ZERO chance of getting it done, it is safe to pander to conservatives.

As long as there is no chance it’ll happen of course.


6 posted on 11/26/2012 7:59:43 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: mtrott

Lucky Kentucky. He was very good.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 8:02:03 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Well IF we have elections in 4 years and rand paul is the R candidate, I will certainly vote for him!


8 posted on 11/26/2012 8:03:17 PM PST by GraceG
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To: GlockThe Vote

I certainly didn’t mean to imply he was a perfect candidate or anything like that. It was just so refreshing to hear an unabashed articulation of conservatism.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 8:06:46 PM PST by mtrott
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To: mtrott
the Bush tax rates resulted in INCREASED revenues to the federal government

Then they were bad.

If higher rates cause FedGov revenues to fall, then I'm for higher rates.

10 posted on 11/26/2012 8:08:57 PM PST by Jim Noble (Diseases desperate grown are by desperate appliance relieved or not at all.)
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To: mtrott
Watch the post-election Bill Whittle speech if you haven't. It'll get you fired up as well.

Bill Whittle at David Horowitz's Restoration Weekend 2012

Post up a link to Rand if there isn't one on the thread, and you can find one. And ping me, please.

11 posted on 11/26/2012 8:12:24 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: mtrott

His father ran on the same platform and was attacked endlessly on this site remember?

Ron and Rand Paul are as close to the founders as we will get.


12 posted on 11/26/2012 8:12:48 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave of attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Jim Noble

I understand, but that would mean reducing revenues and shrinking the government by actions(high tax rates) that cripple the economy and put millions of Americans out of work. Not the way I’d like to go about it.


13 posted on 11/26/2012 8:17:07 PM PST by mtrott
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To: mtrott

Rand Paul also advocates assimilating the 12 million illegals while turning away those trying to enter the US legally.


14 posted on 11/26/2012 8:33:53 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: mtrott

This proves Rand Paul is a loon by seeing revenue that didn’t exist. Revenues after the Bush tax cuts fell and didn’t start recovering until around 2006.


15 posted on 11/26/2012 8:36:27 PM PST by ksen
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To: GlockThe Vote

http://freedomslighthouse.net/2012/11/13/report-gop-sen-rand-paul-working-on-proposal-to-assimilate-illegals-in-the-u-s-in-exchange-for-not-accepting-any-new-legal-immigrants-while-assimilating-the-ones-who-are-here-111312/

Amnesty for illegals?


16 posted on 11/26/2012 8:40:40 PM PST by katiedidit1
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To: jeltz25

These increased revenues:

Year_ GDP-US _ Total Revenue-fed
———$ billion-——$ billion-———

2002... 10642.3..... 1853.40
2003... 11142.1..... 1782.53
2004... 11867.8..... 1880.28
2005... 12638.4..... 2153.86
2006... 13398.9..... 2407.25
2007... 14077.6..... 2568.00
2008... 14441.4..... 2524.00 (recession begins)

As would be expected, after 911 we did poorly and it took a while for the Bush cuts to have an impact in terms of stronger economic growth. But, that’s exactly the idea: Grow the economy, not the % the gov’t takes from the people!

(I hope this posts ok - am having a hard time getting a table to look decent in the Preview, and I’m no HTML expert...)

The problem with Bush was the spending side...


17 posted on 11/26/2012 8:46:25 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I agree with you. Every time someone actually talks conservative with conviction people on here pounce. I think the people doing the pouncing are mostly the country club sect of the GOP, you know, the ones that are the problem and keep control of a declining party.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 8:49:38 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: mtrott

Don’t back down. There was nothing wrong with your original post


19 posted on 11/26/2012 8:51:36 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: katiedidit1

Nothing wrong with that plan. He is correct on both points. It is the only rational policy a long as border security is included. Are you in favor of the green card lottery?


20 posted on 11/26/2012 8:54:49 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: mtrott

His message was in the same place as all the more conservative candidates were who didn’t already have the nod and fix in four years ago.


21 posted on 11/26/2012 8:58:01 PM PST by bgill (We've passed the point of no return. Welcome to Al Amerika.)
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To: Paul R.

that’s the raw $. I meant as a % of GDP. At the peak in 2007 the revenue was 18.5% of gdp. In 2000 under Clinton it was 20.6% and around 19.5% the prior two years.

I think in raw $ revenue was its highest ever under Obama this past year, raw $ doesn’t mean very much in the larger scheme


22 posted on 11/26/2012 9:01:47 PM PST by jeltz25
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To: gunsequalfreedom

So, we turn away engineers, teachers, and spouses, while keeping 12 million almost entirely manual laborers whose income potential is low, and whose drag on the system and likelihood of voting for benefits instead of conservatism is high?


23 posted on 11/26/2012 9:05:27 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: jeltz25

Who the heck wants revenue to be a high % of GDP? That’s a BAD thing!!! We want to keep government SMALL. Or at least non-gargantuan. Eventually, the repercussions of high taxes & big gov’t hit the middle class hardest, regardless of how the taxation is outwardly structured. That’s not to mention the inevitable loss of freedom...

Besides, raw $ revenue is what actually pays for things. A high % of the GDP in taxation when the economy is weak pays for less, in part by keeping that economy weak, and spirals everything down into the black hole eventually...

What is more desirable is a revenue pattern like 2004-2007. (After the inevitable lag, then turn-around, then strong growth.) It’d be better without the increased spending and regulations of the Bush years, of course.


24 posted on 11/26/2012 9:32:00 PM PST by Paul R. (We are in a break in an Ice Age. A brief break at that...)
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To: mtrott

I’ve probably posted Rand Paul’s budget “Platform to Revitalize America” two dozen times on FR, and I don’t remember any comments about it. Yes, it’s on Scribd and yes, reading is hard ;-) - but in contrast to a 2,000 page Obamacare bill, this is easy and it will make you feel good!

http://www.scribd.com/doc/84514049/SENATOR-RAND-PAUL-S-PLATFORM-TO-REVITALIZE-AMERICA

Now - can anyone get their head around:

Rand Paul
&
Paul Ryan
2016

???


25 posted on 11/26/2012 9:33:09 PM PST by bigbob
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To: GraceG

The way things are going I will vote for Rand on any ticket, which is what I expect he anticipates doing. Rand will not dance to the Establishment tune and they will prefer a Jeb bush, a clone of him or someone he has groomed, like Rubio, or eventually his own son.

Rand will need all four years to try and win Republicans over and enough of the Lbertarians that his father attracted, and build a third party among of the like minded. He made a good start tonight and most of all the tea party needs to coalesce around their pick early, before chopping up their forces between a half a dozen charmers.

I would take Rand over Newt! And I liked Newt a LOT. Rand I think is more dedicated, at his core, to the conservative/libertarian cause and so far has a record of trying to move the dang ball in our direction without deviating to go off and play nice with the Marxists.


26 posted on 11/26/2012 9:33:42 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: mtrott

Conserve America Party File.


27 posted on 11/26/2012 9:34:54 PM PST by Graewoulf ((Traitor John Roberts' Obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: RitaOK

Yeah.

I would give Rand a very serious look. He is not the kook on foreign policy his Dad is, and he is solid on most every other issue.

We could do far worse.


28 posted on 11/26/2012 9:43:16 PM PST by comebacknewt (Newt (sigh) what could have been . . .)
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To: GlockThe Vote

I agree. I really like Rand Paul.

Also, both Paul’s lay the illegal immigrant problem at the feet of the dang US government, where it belongs, for their open invitation for cheap Mexican labor, bigger business and the utter disregard by the US government for our own immigration laws and border enforcement.

Now we have generations of illegals with now citizen children! The cartels and terrorist threats have finally forced the issue and left a lot of hell for families returning to Mexico whose kids have never been there.


29 posted on 11/26/2012 9:48:28 PM PST by RitaOK ( VIVA CHRISTO REY / Public education is the farm team for more Marxists coming.)
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To: bigbob

—— Rand Paul
&
Paul Ryan
2016 -—

Now you’re talking. The problem is, the monied interests will be coalescing around their 2016 candidate in 6 months.

How do we beat the next Romney?


30 posted on 11/26/2012 9:56:02 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas (Viva Christo Rey!)
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To: GlockThe Vote
His father ran on the same platform and was attacked endlessly on this site remember?

You conveniently forget the other half of that package.

31 posted on 11/26/2012 11:23:29 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: mtrott

So Is Rand distancing himself from his father? Is he more Conservative than Libertarian? Will he not be as kooky? And will the libertarians abandon him if he runs because he differs a great deal from his pops? His biggest problem is being related to Ron Paul.


32 posted on 11/26/2012 11:39:52 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: mtrott

!


33 posted on 11/27/2012 12:05:43 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Anger a Conservative by telling a lie; Anger a Liberal by telling the truth....RWR 8-)
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To: FreedomPoster

Excellent Link.

Bill Whittle...For President 2016!

What a pleasure to hear my own mind, articulated in voice.

What a real President would say and do.


34 posted on 11/27/2012 4:57:07 AM PST by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec

Send it to every mailing list you have.


35 posted on 11/27/2012 5:56:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est.)
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To: jeltz25
what increased revenues is he talking about?

there was no increased revnue for years under the Bush taxes

Which is it? Either there were none or there were some.

During Clinton's administration, GDP totaled $78 trillion. A 20% revenue to GDP ratio would have resulted in $15.6 trillion in revenue. The Bush years saw a total of $98.8 trillion in GDP which, at 18%, would have brought in $17.8 trillion. By your numbers, there was an increase. What point are you arguing?

36 posted on 11/27/2012 9:24:33 AM PST by BfloGuy (Workers and consumers are, of course, identical.)
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To: mtrott

Just observing that we get all excited when someone repeats what we already know is common sense. It’s a sad case of affairs.


37 posted on 11/27/2012 5:09:16 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way!)
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To: Paul R.
So, we turn away engineers, teachers, and spouses, while keeping 12 million almost entirely manual laborers whose income potential is low, and whose drag on the system and likelihood of voting for benefits instead of conservatism is high?

In a perfect world we would accept the best and brightest from overseas but you and I know we don't do that. We have a green card lottery and being the best and brightest is not a condition to be eligible.

We also have 12 million living here illegally in a big mess Congress and every president over the last 30 years created. You don't like it, I don't like it. But, it has to be dealt with.

Do you want to add to that problem by bringing in more people? That is what I think Rand is getting at. It is the only viable solution. If that plan is accepted, immigration is slowed significantly. We deal with the 12 million here.

Or, we just stick to present policy. Rand has the pragmatic approach. Best to take what we can get otherwise we get nothing.

38 posted on 11/28/2012 12:22:50 AM PST by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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