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Do You Live In A Death Spiral State?
Forbes ^ | November 25,2012 | William Baldwin,

Posted on 11/26/2012 6:19:48 PM PST by Hojczyk

Don’t buy a house in a state where private sector workers are outnumbered by folks dependent on government.

Thinking about buying a house? Or a municipal bond? Be careful where you put your capital. Don’t put it in a state at high risk of a fiscal tailspin.

Eleven states make our list of danger spots for investors. They can look forward to a rising tax burden, deteriorating state finances and an exodus of employers. The list includes California, New York, Illinois and Ohio, along with some smaller states like New Mexico and Hawaii.

Let’s say you are a software entrepreneur with 100 on your payroll. If you stay in San Francisco, your crew will support 139 takers. In Texas, they would support only 82. Austin looks very attractive.

Ranked on the taker/maker ratio, our 11 death spiral states range from New Mexico, with 1.53 takers for every maker, down to Ohio, with a 1-to-1 ratio.

Conning rates North Dakota the safest state to lend money to, Connecticut the most hazardous. A state qualifies for the Forbes death spiral list if its taker/maker ratio exceeds 1.0 and it resides in the bottom half of Conning’s ranking.

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bluestates; statecrisis; statedebt; top10
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1 posted on 11/26/2012 6:19:54 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

New Mexico

Mississippi

California
Alabama
Maine, New York, South Carolina,Kentucky, Illinois,Hawaii,Ohio


2 posted on 11/26/2012 6:23:49 PM PST by Hojczyk
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To: Hojczyk

Yes


3 posted on 11/26/2012 6:25:44 PM PST by null and void (The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.)
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To: Hojczyk

“Austin looks very attractive”

???

Has this person ever lived or drove through there??

The worst city in Texas


4 posted on 11/26/2012 6:30:12 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Hojczyk

Not so much a death spiral. CA is more like a head long plunge into the abyss.


5 posted on 11/26/2012 6:30:21 PM PST by socal_parrot (I hate to say I told you so, but...)
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To: GeronL

Austin = Velvet Ditch


6 posted on 11/26/2012 6:31:03 PM PST by Dinah Lord
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To: socal_parrot

Its too bad too. We need all the states producing.


7 posted on 11/26/2012 6:32:39 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk
"The taker count is the number of state and local government workers plus the number of people on Medicaid plus 1 for each $100,000 of unfunded pension liabilities.

Seems an arbitrary formula -- and 4 of the 10 are red states. It also seems pretty obvious that you wouldn't move a factory to California -- but Alabama would be less obvious. Haven't Mercedes and Honda built factories in Alabama?

8 posted on 11/26/2012 6:36:46 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: GeronL

I used to talk to an Austin girl online (an artist). She claimed she was a conservative but When I told her I lived not far from Ann Arbor she said she had always wanted to go there.


9 posted on 11/26/2012 6:36:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Hojczyk

Illinois has already started lobbying for the fedgov to fund their stunningly underfunded state pension system. Given their close personal relationship with Baraq, that probably makes it likely, and then the floodgates are open.

Since the fedgov itself is only a short distance from insolvency, I’m not sure it really makes much difference.


10 posted on 11/26/2012 6:38:09 PM PST by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: cripplecreek

What about Michigan?


11 posted on 11/26/2012 6:49:21 PM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: cripplecreek

hhmmmmmm

questionable right?


12 posted on 11/26/2012 6:49:49 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: cripplecreek

hhmmmmmm

questionable right?


13 posted on 11/26/2012 6:53:04 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Big Horn

Michigan is actually improving. The first thing we did after the GOP took control in 2010 was to cut some 30,000+ college students off food stamps. There have been other welfare limits imposed as well as the elimination of the personal business property tax. Lots of other regulations are being rolled back every week.


14 posted on 11/26/2012 6:55:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: GeronL

She told me that her father was a rancher and I was thinking longhorns or something but she was talking about pigmy goats. LOL


15 posted on 11/26/2012 6:58:16 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: cripplecreek
When I told her I lived not far from Ann Arbor she said she had always wanted to go there.

LOL If she did she'd go back to Austin with a girlfriend.

16 posted on 11/26/2012 6:59:39 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: cripplecreek

lol!!

*gasp*

lol!!

...
Sam Donaldson??


17 posted on 11/26/2012 6:59:39 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: Hojczyk

South Dakota is begging for people to move there and build new businesses. Unfortunately, SD is situated in an ice cave.


18 posted on 11/26/2012 7:00:27 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: cripplecreek
As a Realtor, I foresee Michigan once more coming back to life. It will take a while, but I am positive it will happen.

Investors will begin purchasing blocks of those vacancies in Detroit, building nice hotels, Luxury Condos. Just have to wait to see what will happen to all the welfare crowd, maybe they can be driven out.

19 posted on 11/26/2012 7:04:02 PM PST by annieokie
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NY State isn't number one!? I demand a recount! New York City deserves it's own ranking. And then the is Buffalo, or as I like to call it Detroit with less crime and more snow. I forgot Albany, or as I call it "Brasilia on the Hudson".
20 posted on 11/26/2012 7:04:02 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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