Ugandan president repents of personal, national sins

World Net Daily ^ | 11/24/2012 | Michael Carl

[BwanaNdege]

Ugandan president repents of personal, national sins 'We confess idolatry, witchcraft, political hypocrisy, dishonesty, intrigue'

"The Ugandan newssite New Vision reports President Yoweri Museveni celebrated Uganda’s 50th anniversary of independence from Britain at the National Jubilee Prayers event by publicly repenting of his personal sin and the sins of the nation.

“I stand here today to close the evil past, and especially in the last 50 years of our national leadership history and at the threshold of a new dispensation in the life of this nation. I stand here on my own behalf and on behalf of my predecessors to repent. We ask for your forgiveness,” Museveni prayed.

“We confess these sins, which have greatly hampered our national cohesion and delayed our political, social and economic transformation. We confess sins of idolatry and witchcraft which are rampant in our land. We confess sins of shedding innocent blood, sins of political hypocrisy, dishonesty, intrigue and betrayal,” Museveni said."

[MarMema]

And evil is exactly what I believe is taking hold in Uganda.

The anti-gay bill includes many related offenses, such as renting or doing business with anyone gay, all kind of ambiguous descriptions of touching someone that have made a lot of Ugandans very fearful.

In short under this bill anyone could be arrested for many things. People are required under threat of imprisonment to report their friends or family members. Nothing Christlike about this behavior, nope.

It reminds me of other times in other places where it began with one group for one reason and soon moved on...evil is like that.

[ConservativeDude]

What’s the water like? How is public health situation, generally?

[CORedneck]

A far cry from the Uganda of Idi Admin Dada’s days !

[MarMema]

Not for long. Watch closely...

[GraceG]

I was watching CNN the other day and it pissed me off they were Using Uganda as an example of “Christianities Intolerance towards gays” Completely ignoring the other 99% of countries that are Muslim and who kill Homosexuals!!!

Just so they could count coup against on Christianity!!!!!

So mad i almost punched the TV.

[hecticskeptic]

Killing them for being gay doesn't work for me,...

There is no such thing as 'being gay'....there is only the physical act of sex which can be referred to as homosexual sex if it is engaged in by two members of the same sex. For that matter, there is also no such thing that can be proven to be homosexuality as identified as pertaining to some sort of natural condition or state of the human mind...there is only human sexuality which is a characteristic that all mankind has been given.... however, sexuality can manifest itself as Godly approved sexual behaviour or perverted sexual behaviour abhored by God.

[HiTech RedNeck]

It sounds like an overreaction to the gay craze in the rest of the world, which they don’t want worming its way into their society. I can’t blame the end even if the means can be blamed. And it’s sadly not uncommon for highly Christianized societies to get most of the gospel right but then really muff it badly in some small area. Troubles that come from over-mixing the church with the government are nothing new, of course....

[HiTech RedNeck]

Well at best, they have yet another repentance coming. I only hope in abandoning the insane aspects of the witch hunt, it doesn’t literally capitulate to the rest of the world’s gay craze.

[Dr. Sivana]

Killing them for being gay doesn't work for me, and I am pretty sure Christ would be unhappy about it as well.

If country X had a 25% AIDS rate coming solely from, say, carnal acts involving very tall people, and the folks who engage in such acts insist that they are interested in very tall people, and lots if them, and might also engage in normal relations with an unknowing or bullied spuse. You might put a restriction with such a penalty in your land, unless you really wanted half your population sick and dying.

Uganda had the highest rate of AIDS in all of Africa, which had the highest in the world. Needles are not the problem, buggery (of all combinations) is the problem. It is easiest to legislate against the homosexual type.

[ilovesarah2012]

Her visits were several years ago and the water wasn’t good, but that may have changed. They grow most of their own food and raise animals for food. I remember I wrote to several seed companies asking for donations of seeds for them to bring. The only company that responded was Burpee and they sent us a lot. They now grow eggplant in the village, something they had never seen before. They even included flower seeds. It was very nice of them. No responses from several other companies.

My daughter also brought home some very nice wood carvings people had done. If Uganda can get an honest government, they have a bright future. My daughter told me there is a lot of local corruption - pay officials to get permits, etc. Kind of like Chicago, I guess. Hopefully that will improve.

[ConservativeDude]

I looked at some websites for a few seminaries in the country. Much work being done, but...much work to be done, also. Thanks for that info.

[ilovesarah2012]

You are welcome. I have a special place in my heart for Uganda.

[BwanaNdege]

“Killing them for being gay doesn’t work for me, and I am pretty sure Christ would be unhappy about it as well.”

Leviticus 20:13
If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

Romans 1:26-27
Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

However, there is forgiveness after repentance and rejection of homosexuality.

[BwanaNdege]

Or either of Milton Obote’s regimes!

[MarMema]

Hope you don't eat shrimp. Or shave.

Good luck with scraping through Leviticus. You may want to read it entirely.

[MarMema]

Ever wear clothes made of more than one fabric?

[MarMema]

Had.

There has been considerable interest in understanding what may have led to Uganda's dramatic decline in HIV prevalence, one of the world's earliest and most compelling AIDS prevention successes.

The above from 2006. Not related to the disgusting evil of persecution and more they are currently promoting.

In fact, once all medical aid and care is denied to those with HIV, no matter what their sexual preference, they will be afraid to seek help - and now that Uganda has thrown out many of the NGOs considered to have been partly responsible for this success - HIV will increase.

It's just evil and prelest, by the father of all evil and old as time. They can try to pass it off as Christianity but I am amazed anyone believes it.

[Dr. Sivana]

In the 1980s, more than 30% of Ugandan residents had HIV; this had fallen to 6.4% by the end of 2008, the most effective national response to AIDS of any African country.[63] This is supported by the findings of a 2006 study that modern contraceptive use in Uganda is low. [ . . .]In 2009, the Ugandan parliament considered an Anti-Homosexuality Bill which would have broadened the criminalisation of homosexuality by introducing the death penalty for people who have previous convictions, or are HIV-positive, and engage in same-sex sexual acts.

From Wikipedia entry on Uganda

Based on the above, the actual law is designed to focus on cutting the spread of the disease. In any event, homosexual behavior and sodomy in general are filthy, immoral and unhealthy acts. Prophylactics alone, even if they were used so much, would not put much of a dent in spread of the disease because the breakage rate when used in that manner is so high (30-50%).

If the law is enforced in such a way that a mere appearance of effeminacy or lewdness gets the penalty, then that would be an issue. Uganda is known for corruption, and the president's contrition won't change the whole society.

But no, criminalization of sodomy, something that was upheld by SCOTUS as recently as the '80s, before O'Connor reversed herself, is the normal way for civilized countries, at least in western civilization. The severity of the penalty would vary depending on circumstances, in the same way that stealing a man's horse was once a hanging offense in certain parts of this country for a long time. Uganda's death penalty for sodomy can easily be justified on a natural law level given the circumstances.

[TArcher]

“Because of this, God gave them over...”

YMMV.

[MarMema]

There are many immoral acts. Let God judge them. Our mission is to love sinners, not persecute them.