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New firearms maker opens high-tech facility(MT)
dailyinterlake.com ^ | 24 November, 2012 | MELISSA WALTHER

Posted on 11/25/2012 4:48:12 AM PST by marktwain

When it comes to high-end weapons, there's a new company in town that's changing the way people think about rifles.

Founded in 2010, Proof Research of Kalispell specializes in creating lightweight, accurate weapons using carbon-fiber barrels and stocks unlike anything else on the market.

“Large gun manufacturers know we have the technology and we're being courted by some big names,” said Pat Rainey, chief executive officer of Proof Research. “We've changed the gun industry, just like the polymer pistol did. The cool factor of our weapons is off the page.”

Joining forces in the Flathead

While Proof Research may only be two years old, it is made up of four companies that have years of rifle-making experience, according to Rainey. Proof is actually a merger of Lone Wolf Riflestocks of Kalispell, Jense Fabrication of Missoula, ABS out of Lincoln, Neb., and Lawrence Rifle Barrels of Lewistown.

“Lots of people have tried to do this for many years,” Rainey said. “The idea of a carbon-fiber barrel has been around for 20 years. We're just the first to crack the code.”

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“We can take a 19-pound barrel off of a .50-caliber sniper rifle and we can make it 2.2 pounds, so the heaviest thing on the gun is the glass from the sight,” Rainey said. “That's a huge weight savings, and in the past you'd have guys jump in and have to leave the barrel behind because it was just too heavy to get out easily. Now it's no big deal to pack it out, too.”


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: banglist; kalispell; mt; proofresearch
Nice to see this business in Montana.
1 posted on 11/25/2012 4:48:24 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
And isn't Montana the state that is vanguarding the "made in-state for sale in-state to skirt fed tax laws" (or something like that)

???

2 posted on 11/25/2012 4:52:07 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true)
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To: marktwain

Wonder if carbon fiber silencers are next? Believe it or not they are legal and encouraged in Norway.


3 posted on 11/25/2012 5:22:34 AM PST by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: marktwain
“We can take a 19-pound barrel off of a .50-caliber sniper rifle and we can make it 2.2 pounds...

Wasn't that weight part of the stability factor that made long range targeting possible? With a lighter barrel won't the rifle lose targeting quicker?

4 posted on 11/25/2012 5:23:22 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

No oil, and lots of recoil, but OH how we love to carry it!


5 posted on 11/25/2012 5:24:59 AM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: Candor7

Man that recoil would knock you out!
But I suppose a very accommodating shock absorbing stock might (emphasis on might) make it doable.
I darn near broke my thumb when I made the mistake of buying and shooting a titanium .41 magnum.
Ouch that hurt. I was probably 21 or 22 and didn’t know better.
I promptly sold it.


6 posted on 11/25/2012 5:34:17 AM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: raybbr

If it’s hi-tech, they’ve probably counteracted the kick-back so you don’t need as much weight.


7 posted on 11/25/2012 5:37:21 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: knarf

Skirt the automatic weapon ban


8 posted on 11/25/2012 5:38:16 AM PST by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: raybbr
Wasn't that weight part of the stability factor that made long range targeting possible? With a lighter barrel won't the rifle lose targeting quicker?

Carbon fiber is stronger than steel, so the barrel is more stable than its steel equivalent.

9 posted on 11/25/2012 5:48:51 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: marktwain
Proof Research
10 posted on 11/25/2012 5:54:49 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again,")
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To: fella

Flathead Lake area is a really beautiful part of the country..


11 posted on 11/25/2012 6:02:54 AM PST by Hojczyk
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To: marktwain
“We can take a 19-pound barrel off of a .50-caliber sniper rifle and we can make it 2.2 pounds..."

That thing will kick like a mule!

12 posted on 11/25/2012 6:16:43 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: marktwain

A 5-6 lb AR is appealing to me, but their site lists them as starting about $3,400.


13 posted on 11/25/2012 6:35:56 AM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Not necessarily.

If the gun is designed to absorb the force of the shot, it won’t kickback as hard.


14 posted on 11/25/2012 6:52:28 AM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: bjorn14
Wonder if carbon fiber silencers are next? Believe it or not they are legal and encouraged in Norway.

Suppressors legal for hunting in Texas as of September 1

15 posted on 11/25/2012 6:55:21 AM PST by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: MulberryDraw

and in 39 other states but the application cost $200 to the ATF.


16 posted on 11/25/2012 6:57:31 AM PST by MulberryDraw (That which cannot be paid, won't be paid.)
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To: bjorn14
look at their website...
17 posted on 11/25/2012 7:14:00 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: marktwain

A good rule of thumb for something like this is to wait a while for reviews from practiced gun users.

At the same time, you can’t wait around too long, as this will stimulate the bad guys to want to outlaw it. If there is even an inkling of that, then you want to buy second hand with a private sale reseller to preclude the government paperwork that could later be used to confiscate your gun.

It’s always better to avoid (legal) tyranny now, so you don’t have to evade (illegal) tyranny later.


18 posted on 11/25/2012 7:20:03 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (DIY Bumper Sticker: "THREE TIMES,/ DEMOCRATS/ REJECTED GOD")
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To: marktwain
**accurate weapons using carbon-fiber barrels and stocks***

Weren’t these things done back in the late 60s or early 70s? I remember reading of shotguns with these barrels back then.

19 posted on 11/25/2012 7:50:03 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The parasites now outnumber the producers.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Carbon wrapped barrels have been around for awhile.


20 posted on 11/25/2012 8:13:57 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

I think these have been around for a while. I looked at them for a Rgr. 10/22 and the reviews said the barrels were junk and no accuracy. I don’t remember the name of the company but I’ll wait until there are more public tests and reviews.


21 posted on 11/25/2012 8:47:42 AM PST by BipolarBob (I've got a para glider to sail right over that fiscal cliff.)
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To: Erik Latranyi
Carbon fiber is stronger than steel, so the barrel is more stable than its steel equivalent.

Stronger meaning the barrel won't bend during the shot? It still doesn't counteract the forces as a heavier barrel would. Unless there is some way of compensating for the "reaction" to the "action" the barrel will tend to move easier during the expulsion of gases.

22 posted on 11/25/2012 9:17:13 AM PST by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

The Winchester Model 59 shotgun came with the “Win-Lite” barrel which was fiberglass wrapped around a steel core. It was a semi-auto that weighed in around 6 pounds in 12 gauge, and introduced around. It also had one of the earliest, if not the first, screw in choke tube systems.

The disadvantage was the light barrel didn’t promote a smooth swing, and heavy loads quickly beat up the shooter. A bit ahead of it’s time, it was produced from 1960 to 1965.


23 posted on 11/25/2012 9:29:02 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: raybbr
Stronger meaning the barrel won't bend during the shot?

Yes, the carbon fiber barrel does not have as much "whip" action as steel.

You have to understand the construction. There is a steel barrel that is wrapped in carbon fiber thread in multiple directions, giving incredible rigidity and light weight.

Carbon fiber also does not have hard and soft spots like steel can have that creates harmonic issues with accuracy.

24 posted on 11/25/2012 9:50:17 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: Clump

Maybe these rifles have a muzzle break the size of a basketball or something.


25 posted on 11/25/2012 10:07:51 AM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: knarf; ForGod'sSake
And isn't Montana the state that is vanguarding the "made in-state for sale in-state to skirt fed tax laws" (or something like that)

Yes, Firearms Freedom Acts started in Montana (or Tennessee, depending on how you measure), but rather than tax evasion (or even avoidance) it's more like "Made in State for Sale In-State to Defeat Improper Federal Overstep Sanctioned in Wickard".

Should be interesting to see if the eight or ten states that have passed FFA's meant it or if it was just saber rattling posturing as The Won (Again) will no doubt be advocating NEW unConstitutional abridgements of our civil rights over the next four years.

26 posted on 11/25/2012 10:54:07 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain
Thought MT just elected some marxists to federal or state-wide offices??? According to the current marxist WH, rifles, of any kind, are a terrorist threat to the U.S.

Maybe I'm thinking of WY...

27 posted on 11/25/2012 11:42:21 AM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Nailbiter; BartMan1; stanley windrush

ping


28 posted on 11/25/2012 11:45:11 AM PST by IncPen (Educating Barack Obama has been the most expensive project in human history)
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To: Hojczyk
shhhhs/ Keep QUIET about the beauty of the Flathead Lake.Very well kept secret.
29 posted on 11/25/2012 12:00:17 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ( Your life is like a coin, you can spend it on what ever you want, but you can only spend it once.)
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To: umgud

“A 5-6 lb AR is appealing to me, but their site lists them as starting about $3,400.”

Take a look at the Keltec SU16C. 4.7 lbs unloaded using regular steel and plastic construction. A Smith muzzle brake makes it really nice to shoot - although pretty noisy off to the sides. Very little recoil and no muzzle rise.


30 posted on 11/25/2012 12:05:25 PM PST by zagger
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To: zagger
Darned fine looking gun. Might take a closer look.


31 posted on 11/25/2012 1:56:00 PM PST by umgud (No Rats, No Rino's)
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To: raybbr

There’s a bunch of problems with carbon fiber wrapped barrels especially in a brute like the .50 BMG.

The big issue that pops up first in my mind is that with the huge amount of heat that the .50 generates on each shot it’s going to quickly overheat the tiny amount of steel in that barrel and they’ll suffer from throat erosion problems if anyone needs to fire off a few fast rounds. And once the throat goes, so does the accuracy.


32 posted on 11/25/2012 2:15:00 PM PST by RatSlayer
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To: raybbr
With a lighter barrel won't the rifle lose targeting quicker?

It sure will kick the shooter's ass a lot more!

33 posted on 11/25/2012 3:56:26 PM PST by GingisK
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To: Clump

I shoot my titanium 41 a bit. With full house factory 41 mags it is a hand full. I load a hard cast 215 swc at 1100fps does a real nice job on game and doesn’t hurt so much.


34 posted on 11/25/2012 4:46:59 PM PST by riverrunner
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To: umgud

“Darned fine looking gun. Might take a closer look.”
I believe that the one in the picture is the SU16A. The stock and trigger can be folded by removing a pin - the gun cannot be fired when folded.
The “C” version (SU16C) has a folding stock which neatly swings over the mag making the gun very small but still usable. The trigger section can also fold at a second location by removing a pin but then the gun cannot be fired. The C’s threaded barrel lets you use a muzzle brake which really works well to counteract the recoil resulting from the low gun weight.


35 posted on 11/25/2012 6:20:04 PM PST by zagger
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