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Republican Super Pac Aims To Win Over Hispanics With Immigration Reform {STOP All Immigration!]
Guardian (UK) ^ | November 23, 2012 | Ed Pilkington

Posted on 11/23/2012 10:41:10 PM PST by Steelfish

Republican Super Pac Aims To Win Over Hispanics With Immigration Reform After Obama won 71% of the bloc, GOP campaigner Carlos Gutierrez turns to convincing party to embrace a shift in tone

Ed Pilkington in New York

22 November 2012 The head of Mitt Romney's campaign to attract Latino voters during the presidential election has warned fellow Republicans that unless they embrace immigration reform they are in danger of destroying the party's reputation as the guardian of economic freedom and prosperity.

Carlos Gutierrez, former commerce secretary under George Bush and the man who spearheaded of Romney's outreach to the Hispanic community, has called on the Republican party to drop its perceived hostility towards the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US or risk alienating the increasingly powerful Latino vote. He has set up a Super Pac called Republicans for Immigration Reform to instill new thinking within the conservative movement.

"What we want to do with the Super Pac is to provide some intellectual cover to Republicans so that they can move forwards without being politically hindered. If we are to remain the party of entrepreneurs and economic freedom and American prosperity, we have to also be the party of immigration," Gutierrez told the Guardian.

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; invasion; littletoolate; openthegates
Stop all immigration: legal and illegal. These bastards are changing the values, principles, and ideals this nation was founded on with a rich Judeo-Christian tradition based on free market principles and the values of western civilization. Time to stop all immigration legal and illegal immigration.
1 posted on 11/23/2012 10:41:12 PM PST by Steelfish
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The GOP is a tribe of pandering idiots.


2 posted on 11/23/2012 10:43:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (Demoralization is a weapon of the enemy. Don't get it, don't spread it!)
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To: Steelfish; All

Is everybody aware Romney WON 60% of the Cuban-American Vote ..??


3 posted on 11/23/2012 10:47:51 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Steelfish

Well, it was out today that Asians went for Dems 73%.

I really don’t care what a good worker anyone is.

Your primary reason for coming to this country HAS to be that you love this country and want to be an American and protect and defend America.

That means assimilate culturally, even if you preserve your culture at home. Too many are coming here for the big jobs, the big houses, the big money, the big handouts.

We need to massively slow ALL immigration until we get back to assimilation and preserve our culture. It should be automatic when our unemployment rate hits 5%.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 10:50:42 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Steelfish

Why does everyone think American hispanics want all illegals given amnesty? Many don’t and this is the group that we have to convince. I really think it’s a GOP communications and image problem with many hispanics. Basically, many hispanics feel (and the democrats reinforce this feeling) that Republicans truly don’t like them or consider them equal citizens. Republicans are new media stupid and like to nominate bland boring guys like Romney. If we had the right candidate who actually made a good faith effort to court conservative hispanics, the Republicans could still oppose amnesty and get enough hispanic votes to win. Perceptions are hard things to change. Republicans need to work on that false perception before it becomes ingrained. Abandoning our principles won’t change that perception, but an active outreach using Spanish-language media and good more culturally attuned candidate might just improve things.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 10:52:16 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

Well said! Culture is destiny.


6 posted on 11/23/2012 10:52:16 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Maybe they can also get the felon vote for the GOP. Good luck with that too. If the illegal aliens REALLY want a “fast track to citizenship”, they wouldn’t have a Mexican flag license plate on the front of their car when they pull up to the welfare office. It’s not rocket science boys!


7 posted on 11/23/2012 10:53:00 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (Criminal defense lawyers won't have the Twinkie to kick around anymore.)
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To: 3Fingas

“Active outreach” = Jeb Bush


8 posted on 11/23/2012 10:53:45 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: CyberAnt

Yes, that’s great.

Most Cuban-Americans (like many Russians and anyone who has lived under hard socialism) value freedom more than most Americans.

But the Cuban-Americans are a very small fraction of the overall “latino/hispanic” vote.

One of the good points Romney made (and he was hammered for this because it was true), is that a certain percentage of the population will never vote for anyone other than their sugar-daddies in the DNC. That includes an overwhelming majority of the latinos.

The only way the GOPE could ever hope to win their votes would be to appeal to the on the cultural issues. You know, the ones the GOPE is currently running from and using to ridicule and denounce conservatives.

I’m sure they’ll do a 180 and embrace those cultural values to win that vote.

I can hear you laughing from here.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 10:55:16 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival.)
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To: Steelfish

Get rid of every illegal alien quick!!!

Give employers (or any individual) employing an illegal 30 days to fire them and after that anyone caught employing one gets fined $10,000 and 5 years in prison for a second offense!

They will self deport with no way to live!


10 posted on 11/23/2012 11:01:58 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Steelfish; All

So the GOP really believes that “Hispandering” will do the trick? Do that and you will see a major portion of the base (like myself) totally abandon them, while Hispanics continue to overwhelmingly vote democrat.

The GOP have no one but themselves to blame for this mess they have gotten themselves into. I believe the GOP never really cared about enforcing immigration laws as long as “big business” got their cheap labor. And of course, the GOP was only too happily willing to accept bribes (in the form of campaign donations) from “big business” in order to keep their mouths shut.

Reagan granted amnesty. Bush 41 did nothing. America was attacked on 9/11 and Bush 43 did nothing to seal the border. I would love to know why the GOP has been so soft on stopping illegals. Did they really believe that enforcing immigration laws would turn hispanics away from voting republican?

Now we have a demographic problem and the GOP is in a no-win situation. Take a hard stance on illegals and they will be seen as racists. Pander to hispanics with anything that remotely sounds like amnesty and great numbers of the base will abandon them.

Way to go GOP. There is a reason why they are called the stupid party.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 11:07:51 PM PST by eekitsagreek
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To: Steelfish

Maybe we can learn from Jeb Bush’s media savvy, but bail on his amnesty talk. Just because we don’t agree with someone doesn’t mean we can’t learn from them. I can’t stand Obama’s policies, but I think we can learn a thing or two from his very successful use of pop culture. While watching the “Walking Dead” on AMC, I saw two political ads from Obammy. I did not see anything from Team Romney. Some might scoff at the idea of advertising on such a show, but since it’s the highest rated show on cable with a “youngerish” and persuadable demographic, Romney missed an opportunity iMHO.

Also, more germane, lots of Spanish language television around here. I occasionally watch it to keep up my Spanish. I saw lots of democrat ads (very biased, of course) during the election campaign and 0 repubs ads... We have got to do a better job with that.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 11:12:38 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CyberAnt
Is everybody aware Romney WON 60% of the Cuban-American Vote ..??

I think it was closer to 50%, and it used to be 80%.

13 posted on 11/23/2012 11:16:52 PM PST by garandgal
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To: garandgal

GOP is losing the younger generation of Cubans, to whom totalitarian Cuba, is but an unfamiliar bogeyman of their Grandparent’s nightmares. They are becoming Americanized in a bad way.


14 posted on 11/23/2012 11:22:05 PM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters of Freedom, Committee of Correspondence)
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To: CyberAnt
Is everybody aware Romney WON 60% of the Cuban-American Vote ..??

Yes, but most Hispanics in the States are from Mexico and they hate the Cubans. They resent Cubans receiving special treatment. This is why I don't understand why Republicans are so crazy about Rubio. The Hispanics I work with can't stand him.

15 posted on 11/23/2012 11:27:51 PM PST by Razz Barry (Round'em up, send'em home.)
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To: garandgal

This is about illegal Mexicans, not about race, not about Hispanics. The GOP should embrace culturally conservative Hispanics. They should also advocate sending illegal Mexicans home where they can line up like Hispanics from other countries and securing the border. Hispanic-Americans should be the sole GOP spokespersons on the topic, making the distinction clear. They must speak with one voice in both languages and take this tough position.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 11:44:47 PM PST by Kennard
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To: Steelfish

It’s much more valuable politically to seek new white voters for the Republican Party, not Hispanics.

Hispanics were just 10% of the 2012 vote.

Whites were 72% of the 2012 vote.

If we increase our share of white voters by 1%, we would get 7 times more votes than if we increased our share of Hispanics by 1%.

The Hispanic vote is estimated to reach 20% in the future, and the white vote is estimated to drop to 60%.

Even with that ratio, white voters still maintain a 3 to 1 ratio, so seeking an increase in white GOP voters still makes more sense than compromising our principles to gain Hispanic Socialist voters.


17 posted on 11/24/2012 12:00:55 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: Steelfish; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; stephenjohnbanker; DoughtyOne; Gilbo_3; NFHale; Impy; ...
RE :”22 November 2012 The head of Mitt Romney's campaign to attract Latino voters during the presidential election has warned fellow Republicans that unless they embrace immigration reform they are in danger of destroying the party's reputation as the guardian of economic freedom and prosperity.
Carlos Gutierrez, former commerce secretary under George Bush and the man who spearheaded of Romney's outreach to the Hispanic community, has called on the Republican party to drop its perceived hostility towards the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the US or risk alienating the increasingly powerful Latino vote. He has set up a Super Pac called Republicans for Immigration Reform to instill new thinking within the conservative movement. “

Carlos Gutierrez :
The head of Mitt Romney's campaign to attract Latino voters during the presidential election’ and
who spearheaded of Romney's outreach to the Hispanic community
????

Looks like he failed miserably. Why the hell should we listen to him?

Illegals and economic freedom?? Will they vote for tax cuts or food stamps and Obama-Care.

18 posted on 11/24/2012 12:01:51 AM PST by sickoflibs (How long before cry-Bohner caves to O again? They took the House for what?)
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To: CyberAnt
Re: “Romney Won 60% of Cubans”

Cubans make up 4% of the total Hispanic vote.

96% are not Cuban.

Non-Cuban Hispanics vote almost 75% for the Democrat Party.

19 posted on 11/24/2012 12:06:05 AM PST by zeestephen
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To: CyberAnt

Even at that he lost the FL Hispanic vote. And I thought I’d seen the exit poll had shown he’d narrowly lost the Cuban vote as well?


20 posted on 11/24/2012 1:15:41 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 3Fingas

“I really think it is a GOP communications problem. . . “

I agree. Look at most Republican leaders talking on television’ representing the face of the GOP:

John McCain - on the air all of the time. Looks and sounds like an ancient angry fool.
Both George Bushes had trouble articulating a full sentence.
Rob Portman and Tim Pawlenty boring as paint drying.
Lindsay Graham - no comment
Romney - improved as a speaker during the campaign but always seemed stiff. At the Candy Crowley moment when it really counted, he folded. In any event he looked and acted like the rich white guy Obama labeled him.
Boehner - the tan looks fake, and he seems to be in a fog. No energy or passion. Seems happy to be a punching bag.
McConnell- comes across as a doddering old fool.
Karl Rove - a slick white male political operative who has been around forever.

The boring white men above are the daily face of the leadership of the Republican Party for most Americans. What can Mitch McConnell or John Boehner possibly say to a 26 year old unemployed youth, with $100K of student debt, that will make her the slightest bit interested in voting Republican? McCain is even worse, he comes across as crazy and angry. Plus they ooze of being unprincipled politicians, not passionate advocates for a viable vision.

Palin gives a good stump speech but still has trouble in an interview format. I cringe when she stutters through an interview on Fox and cannot do more than repeat obviously memorized talking points. Under fire in a hostile interview at NBC or CNN I fear she would fold under pressure even today. Until she can consistently prove herself under pressure in hostile environments she cannot be the conservative spokesperson. She has to demonstrate her intellect, and effectively articulate a message, in the media of the people she needs to persuade. Her perceived negatives must be overcome and it is her job to do it if she wants to be a player.

Rubio shows promise. In an interview he speaks well and with controlled passion for real ideas, not sound bites. Hi speeches are uplifting. However, like Obama in 2008, he has no real record of accomplishment. If the GOP runs him in 2016 without a record the media will have a field day accusing the party of pandering to Hispanics and not being serious. If they are going to run him against Hillary they need to get him a real leadership position as well as create PR events to demonstrate to the American people he is a real leader.

Candidates such as Mourdock and Akin only reinforce the party’s image as the bastion of out of touch white men. They were incredibly poor communicators and cost the party two Senate seats.

If the Republican leadership wants to understand its communication problem, it needs to take a long hard look in the mirror. Boring middle aged and elderly white men are not going to sell conservative principles to young whites and minorities. A mature white male with effective speaking skills, conviction, and a positive message (ie Reagan) could but such a leader is not in sight.

The fact the Democrats successfully defined Romney in a negative way, and the party could not attack Obama’s glaring negatives effectively, demonstrates the GOP does not have a real communications strategy. it may be because the leadership has no core beliefs. To them politics is thousands of individual races, not a grand crusade to sell the American dream. They view the political landscape tactically and not strategically. Look at the debate within the party today about conservative principles and the Tea Party. Many in the leadership want to ditch the conservative policies supported by the base, even though they haven’t tried to make a passionate case for those policies. How can people who don’t believe in conservatism sell the story and attract new voters? They can’t and won’t.

The question is, what are conservatives going to do?


21 posted on 11/24/2012 2:09:04 AM PST by Soul of the South
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To: Steelfish

Exit poll data...25% of Hispanics thought immigration was important...75% thought they would be given more free stuff (like medical care) from the Democrats. As usual the Republicans are letting the Democrats set the agenda rather than looking at facts.


22 posted on 11/24/2012 5:13:39 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag
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To: Liz; La Lydia; AuntB

PING


23 posted on 11/24/2012 6:38:06 AM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Steelfish

“Carlos Gutierrez, former commerce secretary under George Bush and the man who spearheaded of Romney’s outreach to the Hispanic community,”

This is what tics me off. All these politicians recycle the same old amnesty latinos. There are plenty of decent CONSERVATIVE Latino leaders, but NO, dems or repubs don’t have any use for them.


24 posted on 11/24/2012 9:11:50 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: 9YearLurker

Well .. I guess the original stat was wrong. This is the final count - after the election.


25 posted on 11/24/2012 1:24:02 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: zeestephen

Well .. sorry to ruffle your feathers.

I have no info regarding NON-hispanic Cubans .. I only report what I know to be true.

If you don’t agree - fine with me.


26 posted on 11/24/2012 1:26:53 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt

You do realize that the best ‘final stats’ they have are from the exit polls, don’t you?

http://www.nationaljournal.com/thenextamerica/politics/exit-polls-obama-wins-hispanics-in-florida-by-a-landslide-20121109


27 posted on 11/24/2012 1:47:58 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Really .. is that why John Kerry thought he won in 2004 ..??

ROTFLOL


28 posted on 11/24/2012 1:54:36 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt

You can take what you ‘know’ to be true despite the best statistics available, but I can just as well point out the discrepancy.


29 posted on 11/24/2012 2:22:09 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

Fine with me.


30 posted on 11/24/2012 2:35:40 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I understand the Cubans and the Puerto Ricans do not like to be referred to as “hispanics” .. Correct ..??

Probably because most of them did come here legally, and have become very productive.


31 posted on 11/24/2012 2:49:24 PM PST by CyberAnt ("America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth".)
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To: CyberAnt
I believe you misread my comment.

I wrote “non-Cuban Hispanics.”

In other words, Hispanics from Mexico, or Panama, or Argentina.

There are roughly 50 million Hispanics in the USA.

Only 2 million of them are Cuban.

The other 48 million vote overwhelmingly for the Democrat Party.

They have always voted overwhelmingly for the Democrat Party.

In 1986, Ronald Reagan gave Amnesty to 3 million illegal Hispanics.

In 1988, 75% of Hispanics voted AGAINST George H.W. Bush.

32 posted on 11/24/2012 4:50:12 PM PST by zeestephen
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