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Waiting for the GOPís Populist Turn (Victor Davis Hanson)
Defining Ideas ^ | November 21, 2012 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 11/23/2012 10:27:43 AM PST by neverdem

Edited on 11/23/2012 2:58:30 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

If thereís one thing Americans hate, itís an out-of-touch, elitist snob.

Dozens of explanations are circulating for why Mitt Romney and a number of Republican Senate candidates lost in the 2012 election.

The Republican Party is supposedly too white, too male, and too old. It purportedly does not reach out to minorities, women, and the young. Romney cared more about job creators rather than employees. The Republicans gratuitously picked social fights on abortion and homosexuality that needlessly alienated women, gays, and the young who otherwise might have supported its more important fiscal and national security agendas.


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It's too bad that subtitle is too long to fit with the title.
1 posted on 11/23/2012 10:27:50 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Bump


2 posted on 11/23/2012 10:33:32 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give WAR a chance.......)
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To: neverdem

“But to the degree that they nominate men of great wealth and substance, they must be savvy about not allowing them to be caricatured as out of touch plutocrats.”

VDH is right here, and to those who’ll moan that “the ‘media’ will do it anyway”, well, they didn’t do it to Bush I (in 1988 at least) or W, at least not sucessfully.

“In that sense, opposing blanket amnesty should not be seen as anti-Hispanic, but instead as necessary to ensure that the working American poor, especially unemployed African-Americans and Mexican-Americans, do not have their wages undercut by foreign nationals. Those who wait in line for a legal shot at the American Dream should not be discriminated against by those who cut in line ahead of them. Do we really wish for there to be a vast underclass of exploited green card holders rather than legal immigrants who come with enough skills to have a fighting chance to succeed?”

Bingo again, Vic. Argue that unfettered immigration is harmful to the American **working class** and you have a winning argumen.

“Solar and wind power should have been opposed, not just as Obama administration insider boondoggles and unwise investments, but also as diversions of resources from more exploration of gas and oil on federal lands, which is a proven way to give the unemployed jobs and to lower the cost of power bills and gasoline for average consumers.”

Again, brilliant. High energy prices hurt the American worker. Simple, effective and true. Gotta drum that one home.

Glad to see VDH is back on his game. He’s been acting shellshocked for a while.


3 posted on 11/23/2012 10:43:43 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: teflon9

“argument”, not “argumen”.


4 posted on 11/23/2012 10:44:32 AM PST by teflon9 (Political campaigns should follow Johnny Mercer's advice--Accentuate the positive.)
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To: neverdem

I’m not a fan of divide-and-conquer politics, but “the EEEEEEVIL 1% are now Government Employees and Union Executives” does sound mighty effective.


5 posted on 11/23/2012 10:46:06 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: neverdem
Sorry, once again the real problem is missed by a country mile.

The fundamental word is: communication.

Reagan was called, “The Great Communicator” for a reason. He was. And mainly, he was the “Great Television Communicator.” When they aimed the cameras at him and tried to ambush him with questions, he quickly proved they had started a battle of wits unarmed. And it wasn't just that he defeated them, it was that he defeated them in language that the average sheeple could understand.

William F Buckley was certainly smarter, but there was no way the average sheeple could understand what he was saying. Reagan had the ability to look straight into the camera and connect with people from all walks of life. Our governor, Rick Perry, is at least as conservative as Reagan. But point a TV camera at Perry and expect him to speak off the cuff - A COMPLETE DISASTER.

What we need is not to turn or change, but rather to find somebody that can explain to the great unwashed masses what most of the people that post here already know. And year by year I despair, because I just can't see an even half a Reagan on the horizon.

6 posted on 11/23/2012 10:55:13 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name

The other thing about Reagan, was that his time in Hollywood served him well...not only learning about how to look good in front of a camera and speaking eloquently.....but he was literally in the Lions’ Den as well, and understood what made the enemy tick, and how to get flies with honey, instead of vinegar.


7 posted on 11/23/2012 11:00:01 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: teflon9

I enjoyed the same parts that you did.

High ranking Republicans need to get over their fear of working people and start talking to the working class of all races, in a way that relates to them.

For example, many of us here could walk into a bar and explain to working men of all races why immigration is a war on us, why is it that the GOP doesn’t seem to be aware of that?

Why after 60 years has the GOP still not figured out what immigration does to the non-wealthy?

How is it that the GOP rich elites, can’t even manage to win gasoline prices and heating arguments? How out of touch are these Romney/Rove types, that we don’t even know what the heck they are talking about half the time?


8 posted on 11/23/2012 11:06:14 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Regarding “divide and conquer,” tactics, we conservatives won’t be successful as long as we play “fair.” First of all, those who define what is fair are the enemy - the State-Run Media.

Our founding fathers didn’t play fair with George III back in the late 1700’s, and they won.

There can be no fair fight when it comes to Western Civilization vs the Godless Marxists.


9 posted on 11/23/2012 11:12:12 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: dfwgator
“how to look good in front of a camera”

And please do not think I am making that sound easy.

I used to own a company that produced business video programs. Often there would be a section where the owner or president of the company was to appear on the screen. It never ceased to amaze me how many times this dynamic, positive, eloquent owner became a babbling fool as soon as the camera was aimed at him.

That camera pointing at you is a scary thing, and there are only a certain number of people that just naturally have ‘it’ (unfortunately that scum bag Bill Clinton was one of them).

I just kind of figured that with this much time passed since Reagan, one more would rise up.

10 posted on 11/23/2012 11:13:02 AM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: dfwgator; I cannot think of a name

Reagan spoke from his core beliefs, and he had much exposure to normal Americans.

From a lower class childhood, a common college, saving lives on a river as a major lifeguard of the region, 8 years of rubbing shoulders in the military, Reagan knew a lot about regular joes, and while he was personally first generation successful, he remained true to his humble, old fashioned Americanism.

Reagan knew who he was talking to and about.


11 posted on 11/23/2012 11:13:33 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: neverdem

Me thinks Mr. Hansen has hit the nail on the head.


12 posted on 11/23/2012 11:16:49 AM PST by GVnana
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To: ansel12

The GOP doesn’t have anywhere near the broad and deep dedicated work force of Marxist/Communist/Lenninist/Progressive/idiot fellow travelling activists in its stable as the Left does. For any election they can muster thousands even hundreds of thousands of willing workers to ring doorbells, dial phones, and go pamphletering. Most of the unions are in their service as are the large media outlets and universities. The task ahead is formidable...but doable. Wishful thinking is not a tactic. Sorry to say, Alinsky style Barack Obama type community organizing is.


13 posted on 11/23/2012 11:19:01 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: neverdem

I wish VDH was calling the shots at the RNC. Every time I read a column from him, I’m like, “here’s someone who really gets it.”


14 posted on 11/23/2012 11:21:20 AM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: ansel12

I would suspect that philosophically, many that voted for Reagan in 80 and 84, had serious differences with him....you simply don’t win with the kind of margins he had unless you take a lot of votes from people that are normally politically on the other side. So what was it? Winning the office frankly is a lot about likability........that explains why Obama’s likability gap over Romney mattered. It’s not just about being right on the issues. Not to diminish Reagan, but in many ways the battle for the Presidency is somewhat of a “beauty contest.” Fortunately, behind Reagan’s facade, was a lot of substance.

We need a candidate with some “sizzle to go along with the steak.”


15 posted on 11/23/2012 11:22:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Don Corleone

I don’t know what that post was about.


16 posted on 11/23/2012 11:27:49 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: dfwgator

What won millions over to Reagan was his social conservatism and strong national defense.

Americans reacted favorably to Reagan’s Americanism, by 1984 the nation was fully behind him and he swept the nation’s vote.

Romney was anti-Reagan during the period and even left the party and remains anti-Reagan and anti-conservative today.

Romney is foreign, exotic, removed, alien to Americans, the anti-Reagan with no patriotism, as his refusal to serve proved, in fact, he comes from an extremely anti-American family, which is how his father came to be born in their adopted country of Mexico.


17 posted on 11/23/2012 11:35:48 AM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer’s successful run in Nebraska)
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To: neverdem

When those good paying jobs promised by free trade are a reality, voters will vote Republican again. Right now Bush is a continuation of Hoover. Recovery never happened.

When times are bad people turn to government. Romney should not hold out any longer. He said he knew how to create jobs. Tell Republicans now and help them to win.


18 posted on 11/23/2012 11:41:49 AM PST by ex-snook (without forgiveness there is no Christianity)
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To: neverdem

Time for the conservatives to take a play out of the democrat playbook and start some colorful demonstrations to object to these clowns destroying our nation. The GOP is useless and is going to watch the country go down.


19 posted on 11/23/2012 11:42:33 AM PST by jetson
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To: I cannot think of a name
I just kind of figured that with this much time passed since Reagan, one more would rise up.

There was one. His name is Fred Thompson.

It was too bad he didn't decide to run for President until after it was too late.

20 posted on 11/23/2012 11:48:58 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: ansel12; Don Corleone

Don Corleone is saying we need to “Organize ! Organize ! Organize !” He’s right.


21 posted on 11/23/2012 11:55:04 AM PST by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
“His name is Fred Thompson.”

I should have also mentioned that since Reagan's departure we have had several people show-up that I put into “The Light That Failed” category. Fred being one of them. When he first went to Washington, I really thought this is the guy that's going to do it. I guess he just got tired of all the BS, or maybe just lost interest in trying to straighten out the mess.

Another one I put into that category was a guy from Oklahoma named J.C. Watts. I heard him absolutely electrify an NRA convention. But the liberals were determined to make sure a conservative black Republican got nowhere and poured money into his opponents. He finally got tired of it all and left politics.

22 posted on 11/23/2012 12:11:53 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: GVnana

Indeed! Romney got trapped, voluntarily I might add, with Tax Breaks for the Rich and it was like a millstone around his neck.

Although he was right that over-taxing the people who start and run businesses will hurt jobs and the economy. The trouble is this requires the voter sheeple to THINK and to conclude this common sense. Can not require most voters to think, the message has to be simple and connecting. And yes, like the dems you sometimes have to run one way and govern another, otherwise you never get to govern.

You gotta look like you are looking out for the little guy. Nobama did even though its an absolute lie.

Finally, even with Hanson’s great analysis, “Mormon” may indeed have been the primary reason 3 or 4 million “conservatives” voted for 3rd party or not at all, giving it to nobama.


23 posted on 11/23/2012 12:30:15 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: I cannot think of a name
Reagan also made no apologies for being a conservative...in fact he sold conservatism during his campaign and presidential terms. Romney seemed to fail miserably in the educational aspect. He simply told the people that he could do better than Obama. That wasn't nearly good enough.

Now, I have my doubts whether Reagan could have won, but the fact remains Romney lost to a sitting president with a disastrous record. We'll never know what would have happened if he had told Americans why Obama was a disaster: he, Obama, was a leftist. All future Pubbie candidates cannot just slam their leftist opponent (as all future Dem candidates will assuredly be as extreme left as Obama), they must educate the public as to why conservatism is superior to liberalism.

24 posted on 11/23/2012 12:37:47 PM PST by driftless2
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To: I cannot think of a name

“I just kind of figured that with this much time passed since Reagan, one more would rise up.”

She has appeared and her name is Sarah Palin. Why else do you think the establishment Republicans and Democrats so viciously attack her - she connects with people and that scares the Hell out of ‘em.


25 posted on 11/23/2012 12:38:52 PM PST by SatinDoll (NATURAL BORN CITZEN: BORN IN THE USA OF CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: dfwgator

I believe many people voted for Reagan because he wasn’t going to take any more crap from the Iranians, after Carter kissed their ass for 400 days. Romney won that first debate, and realized that he might actually win. His second debate was nothing more than agreeing with all of Obama’s positions, and so he didn’t come across as someone who was going to be tough on defense. That is why he lost.


26 posted on 11/23/2012 12:42:49 PM PST by webheart (King of the Run-On Sentence)
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To: I cannot think of a name

In terms of raw communicative ability, Fred had it and still does. He’s the only one I could think of that could carry the Reagan message in the way that Reagan did, which in itself was key.

It is too bad Watts left politics. With proper support, he could have gone far. Obviously he was too conservative for today’s GOP.


27 posted on 11/23/2012 12:43:21 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: GVnana
Me thinks Mr. Hansen has hit the nail on the head.

Really? easier to market like Marco Rubio, Susan Martinez, or Condoleezza Rice.

28 posted on 11/23/2012 12:48:28 PM PST by itsahoot (Any enemy, that is allowed to have a King's X line, is undefeatable. (USS Taluga AO-62))
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To: neverdem

This video shows the way:
Bill Whittle on Believing in Our Conservative Philosophy
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2962415/posts


29 posted on 11/23/2012 1:10:33 PM PST by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: dfwgator

And his years in Hollywood - exposure to the communists gave him not just an understanding, but a very determined opposition to them and all they stood for.

Regan could convey in 3 sentences or less the conservative message on any question asked. And VDH makes lots of valid points about the lack of message from Romney’s campaign.

You need to do more than point out the other guy has failed under unusually dire circumstances, or failed to live up to his promises.

You have to stand for something, and give simple explanation how the conservitive approach would have worked better on any of the issues of concern to voters.


30 posted on 11/23/2012 1:43:32 PM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: SatinDoll
Sarah is the most effective communicator of conservatism in the country. She is loved more than hated and is profoundly brilliant, scurrilous contrarians notwithstanding.
31 posted on 11/23/2012 1:50:45 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: neverdem

OH! I see... soooo it wasn’t because of massive voter fraud...
It was americans have been brain washed and socialized?..
according to Hanson..

HAnson is going out of his way to REJECT the obvious voter fraud..
In your face, obvious and eff you “if you don’t like it”.. VOTER FRAUD..

Must he is afraid of “THE ONLY” remedy..
REVOLT... bloody and harsh recriminations and response..

Because VOTING DIED on Nov. 6th.. IT DIED.......
The only ones to vote henceforth would be a MORON...
Victor is shaking in his boots to face that FACT...
Because the GOONS will not “just go away”... you MUST KILL THEM..

plus millions of lives in collateral damage.. Hanson is a coward.. and SILLY..
There seems to be NO(few) ADULTS LEFT in america..


32 posted on 11/23/2012 2:04:25 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: donna

Thanks for that link! It’s too bad it was posted in chat.


33 posted on 11/23/2012 2:12:31 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: itsahoot

If you’re thinking that’s the emphasis of his article, we’re seeing two different things.


34 posted on 11/23/2012 2:17:36 PM PST by GVnana
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To: I cannot think of a name

I just kind of figured that with this much time passed since Reagan, one more would rise up.

**
Palin comes to mind....


35 posted on 11/23/2012 2:23:07 PM PST by Bigg Red (Sorry, Mr. Franklin, I guess we couldn't keep it.)
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To: SatinDoll
“She has appeared and her name is Sarah Palin”

I must admit I love that woman - in every way possible for a man to love anybody. But I think her incredible and exciting good looks almost works against her. She is going to have to spend the next four years really working to improve her ‘gravitas’, even if means making herself a little less exciting to look at. I would strongly suggest she get every word written and every photograph and video tape of Margaret Thatcher in existence.

(And if I couldn't have my most desired fantasy form of government - Dick Cheney as benevolent dictator - my next would be a 45 year old Margaret Thatcher as President. Even a movie that was supposed to be a hatchet job on her couldn't hide the fact that she was simply INCREDIBLE!)

36 posted on 11/23/2012 2:25:17 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: Colonel_Flagg
“With proper support, he could have gone far.”

That is totally the fault and totally the failure of the RNC.

I will hand this to the democraps, they know enough to attack the future. They'll let McLame and the like win election forever. But when there is someone new and young appearing to rise up, they will attack unmercifully. They did that with Watts and with Rick Santorum. And the RNC did nothing to defend them, so we lost both of them in Congress.

Until the RNC is willing to toss some of the worthless old Rinos over the side and begin defending the young strong conservatives, I fear there's not much future for the Republican party.

37 posted on 11/23/2012 2:34:12 PM PST by I cannot think of a name
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To: X-spurt
You gotta look like you are looking out for the little guy.

Precisely! Let us not forget that George Bush actually WON his elections!

Davis is right. Romney had a miserable time. The primaries were long and bruising and gave the other side nearly all the ammo they would need. Romney had to sell himself as a business man. Tough sell in this environment, and for the reasons you cite.

Moreover, he had to sell himself as a decent and compassionate man. Tough balancing act with the issue of his Mormonism -- which, ironically -- would have provided ample evidence of his charity. Lefties would hate him whatever he did, so their opinion doesn't matter. It's the middle that must be won. Romney did capture most of the independent vote, but not by margins big enough to swing the country.

Obama is a fake, a stuffed shirt. But, give the democrats their due. They don't allow his image as the savior of the little guy to be tarnished, even if it means missing corpses.

38 posted on 11/23/2012 2:34:56 PM PST by GVnana
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To: I cannot think of a name

I like the cut of your jib. I agree on all counts.

If the GOP had any brains at all, they would have treated Watts as precious cargo to be defended. Instead they let the wolves get him. Reprehensible.


39 posted on 11/23/2012 2:44:39 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg ("Don't be afraid to see what you see." -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: X-spurt
“Mormon” may indeed have been the primary reason 3 or 4 million “conservatives” voted for 3rd party or not at all, giving it to nobama.

Let me preface this by saying that I have little knowledge of Mormonism and am largely indifferent to it and its practitioners. But I think it is a big mistake for Republicans to put up Mormon candidates, for the reason stated in the above post.

40 posted on 11/23/2012 2:55:16 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: OldPossum

I should clarify. I think it is not in the best interests of the Republican Party to run Mormons for president.


41 posted on 11/23/2012 2:56:26 PM PST by OldPossum
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To: neverdem
The point I feel most missed was the point to be made about “The 1%” and the global population. Obama thinks the US owes the rest of the world for “exploiting" it. The reality is not that America is so rich, but that so much of the rest of the world operates on more socialist principles than we do - and, in the process, impoverishes itself.

We should point out that if we were to wish Barak Obama, or any other liberal, to have only as much money when he is 70 years old as, say, 95% of the people of the world of all ages, that would be a curse. Because there are so many people who have very little - even children have little, of course, even in America - that to have less than the top 5% of the world’s population do, when you are old , would be a sad state of affairs for an American.


42 posted on 11/23/2012 3:02:29 PM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which ¬ďliberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: neverdem
Perot’s self-made rags-to-riches story, his impromptu show-me charts, and high-pitched twang siphoned off millions of working-class voters. Perot’s third-party and self-destructive candidacy ended up ensuring that Bill Clinton’s own bus-touring populist campaign could win with just 43 percent of the popular vote.

Perot is (indirectly) the reason we have 0bama. NO ONE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR A DEMOCRAT FOR THE NEXT FIFTY YEARS AFTER JIMMY CARTER - BUT - Perot siphoned off enough votes from Bush in 1992 that Clinton won, and won again against a weak candidate, Bob Dole.

Clinton's amazing luck, a media phalanx that protected him nearly as well as they protect 0bama today, the "left over" prosperity of the Reagan years, as well as the American people saddling Clinton with a restraining order in the form of a Republican Congress, all came together to enable a credible narrative that Clinton, and hence other Democrats, weren't all a bunch of goofy, inept, economy destroying leftist morons. Unfortunately for all of us today.

Fast forward to 2008, throw in another weak candidate against a charismatic man with "black" ancestry (although not "genuinely black" if you think like liberals do), mix in an ignorant, idealistic American voting population eager to prove that we're cool, hip, with it and "over" racism, and you end up with President 0bama. Ugh.

43 posted on 11/23/2012 3:26:01 PM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: GVnana

Romney was an attempt to win the Presidency by running an empty suit. The guy is the worst sort of retail politician, no principles, cannot connect, richy rich style....and HE EVEN managed to LOSE EVERY election but 1! There’s a clue for the clueless & stoopid Repubs. IMHO Romney may have well been a false flag operation in the re-election of Obama, nothing else makes sense.


44 posted on 11/23/2012 3:45:13 PM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: teflon9
“argument”, not “argumen”.

Shi happens... :)

45 posted on 11/23/2012 3:54:40 PM PST by Does so (Dims don't think ... they PLOT!)
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To: OldPossum

Having known and work around a number of Mormons, I like proposing a ‘test” for those that would never vote of any Mormon candidate, even in the face of giving America a second dose of bamaClaus suicide.

My test is to ask yourself, would you rather your new neighbor be a Mormon or any ComeYet dolt that voted for bamaClaus.


46 posted on 11/23/2012 4:54:48 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: GVnana

Obviously Romney nor anyone around him was a worthwhile marketer.

Mitt’s “marketing” was focussed on identifying good company buys and selling them to other investers, not the public.

Much to our collective loss, he was probably one of the best managers to ever run for President, just not the best campaigner.

The point about too much Primary campaigns is right. How anyone can get past that gauntlet and win the General Election is most improbable. Somehow the GOP better find a way to sift out wannabes that really never have half a chance instead of having 25 on the debate stage on 25 debates between March and June.

Throw in far Right’s fear of Mormom and add just enough vote fraud in the very right places (Ohio and Floridah) and waalah, the USA starts to insert the proverbial pistol into her mouth


47 posted on 11/23/2012 5:08:37 PM PST by X-spurt (It is time for OFF YOUR FEET and on the gravy-train)
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To: X-spurt
How anyone can get past that gauntlet and win the General Election is most improbable

I think this was a bigger hurt than most realize. We've seen lots of reports that voters were only beginning to see Romney as a viable candidate during the debates. WAY TOO LATE. We have to get this primary process under control much earlier. The candidate simply doesn't have enough time to take their message to the American public, or to throughly engage their opponent.

48 posted on 11/23/2012 5:20:15 PM PST by GVnana
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To: hosepipe

These results don't support massive voter fraud. If there had been, then Obama could argue he had a mandate. He can't.

49 posted on 11/23/2012 5:21:02 PM PST by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: teflon9
Glad to see VDH is back on his game. He’s been acting shellshocked for a while.

Haven't we all...

It's good to see the fighting spirit rising in our folks again.

50 posted on 11/23/2012 5:36:40 PM PST by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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